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Melanie Avalon:
Welcome to Episode 367 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy, and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat with no calorie counting, then this show is for you. I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, author of "What, When, Wine" and creator of the supplement line AvalonX. And I'm here with my co-host, Vanessa Spina, sports nutrition specialist, author of "Keto Essentials" and creator of the Tone Breath Ketone Analyzer and Tone Lux Red Light Therapy Panels. For more on us, check out ifpodcast.com, melanieavalon.com, and ketogenicgirl.com. Please remember, the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment. To be featured on the show, email us your questions to questions@ifpodcast.com. We would love to hear from you. So pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine, if it's that time, and get ready for the Intermittent Fasting Podcast.
Melanie Avalon:
Hi everybody and welcome. This is episode number 367 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon and I'm here with Vanessa Spina. Hi everyone. How are you today, Vanessa? Has the weather changed in Prague? Is it warm?
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, we had this amazing heat wave. It was like a summer preview for the last few weeks and it was amazing. We were like just doing all the things outside and doing picnics and, but it's only April.
Vanessa Spina:
So it's like very bizarre and now it's back to cold, which I know you love, but I don't, so I'm like, I really, please come back. I really want the summer weather to come back, but it was a nice little preview of what's to come.
Melanie Avalon:
How about you? How cold is it right now?
Vanessa Spina:
cold right now it's just like cool like a cool day like a windy day like you need a jacket kind of thing like a fall day but yeah how about you
Melanie Avalon:
It's warm, I'm not about it. My air conditioner already broke once, that was not good.
Vanessa Spina:
Why don't you move somewhere cold for the summer, like Iceland?
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, I'm like, I'm like weighing the energetic mental emotional stress cost of the heat versus of moving.
Vanessa Spina:
because you've moved around a lot.
Melanie Avalon:
growing up yeah yeah actually i don't know what is a lot you know that's a good question i guess i feel like
Vanessa Spina:
you've been back and forth with LA and Atlanta and there was somewhere else, I think.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, back and forth between LA and Atlanta, mostly.
Vanessa Spina:
cleaning going to Austin, I think I've decided it's too hot. Okay. I thought it was really hot for you. That's what I said when he first mentioned it. But yeah, I thought you must have had a good other good reasons to go there.
Melanie Avalon:
It's just like the biohacking podcasting place, I feel like everybody lives there, all the people. We'll see. We'll see how the life continues to unfold. When are you coming back to the US to hang out with me?
Vanessa Spina:
Oh, next visit is probably going to be, we're thinking about Christmas time and Damien will be around one then. So that's what we're talking about right now planning. But yeah, right now I'm looking forward to not traveling anywhere for at least like three, four months, except for local things.
Vanessa Spina:
And then in the fall, we'll probably go back to our favorite place in Greece. But I just like really don't want to go anywhere for a bit. And we have a lot of family visiting like all summer pretty much.
Vanessa Spina:
So I just want to be like not doing any packing, just like enjoying still like somewhat of the newborn phase, like with Damien and just like being here. Like I really just want that. It's funny, like how you get these like cravings, you know, for travel or you get cravings for just being at home.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, actually, yes. I do understand that a little bit. Do you think you'll move back to the US at all?
Vanessa Spina:
You know, we talk about it all the time, like we were just talking about it this weekend about like where we want to go and we have so many different like ideas and plans and, you know, we we'd like to be closer to friends and family.
Vanessa Spina:
That's the main thing. But otherwise, I think we prefer the lifestyle in Europe. So it's going to be like both have so many pros and cons, you know, we're constantly like talking about what we want to do, but we really don't know yet.
Vanessa Spina:
Like that's it's kind of a question mark right now. It's kind of a mystery.
Melanie Avalon:
Well, I learned yesterday where you should not move. Oh, where's that? This actually blew my mind. This was something I was just, I had no idea about. I was so wrong, so wrong. So Rob Wolf, who we both love, have you met the people at Rome Free Ranch in Montana?
Vanessa Spina:
I haven't, but that's where he's building his campus, right? The new kind of... Oh, is he building something there? Didn't he build a... Isn't he building an element campus there?
Melanie Avalon:
Well, he's in Montana and they're building something element related. I don't know how close it is. Oh, is it at the ranch? No, I just did Montana. Oh, Montana. Oh, yes, yes, yes. The state, correct.
Melanie Avalon:
Apparently, Montana is beautiful. Have not been. But so yesterday I was interviewing. He introduced me to them. They raise regenerative bison. I learned so much about bison. Who knew there was so much to learn about bison.
Melanie Avalon:
But in any case, I learned that. So I guess there's like this trend of like farmers and stuff in Montana or places like that, like having a lot of farmland and then they'll like not want to farm anymore and then they'll sell their farmland to people who will be like, I want to like own a farm.
Melanie Avalon:
And then people will like buy the land and just like casually like, I don't know, raise a goat or something. A hobby farm. Yes, yes. Gentlemen's farm. Yes. So like prior to this conversation yesterday, I'd be like, oh, yeah, that's great, like regenerative agriculture for the everyday person, like supporting the environment.
Melanie Avalon:
Apparently, you're like apparently don't do that. That's what I learned because apparently it takes the land because you're not going to do it right. Like you're you're not going to. Apparently, it's like actually do it right.
Melanie Avalon:
It needs to be done by like farmers. And so they said doing that actually takes away from the land that is needed for, you know, changing everything in this sphere. So they were like, if that's what you want to do, it's really better that you like stay more in a city and like greenify your land or enter like a co -op situation or enter just like a really nice country, you know, place, but like taking like the ex farmer land and turning it into your own farmer land is a no, which I did not know.
Vanessa Spina:
It makes sense. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how many people are probably doing that, but just from like the small amount of people that I know who've done it and like seen it on Instagram. I still think it's probably like a small number, but I totally understand that if that's a trend, it's probably something that's, you know, not great for the land, but what's the alternative?
Vanessa Spina:
Like it just gets abandoned.
Melanie Avalon:
The alternative, I think, would be people like John and Brittany, who I interviewed, who are actually having these regenerative farms. So selling it to, not to like big corporations or anything, but to farmers.
Melanie Avalon:
From farmers to farmers.
Vanessa Spina:
Right, yeah, that makes more sense.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, so they were so cool. I learned so much about bison. Do you like bison? Like eating it?
Vanessa Spina:
Yes. My husband, I used to always get bison burgers and grill them when we were in the US. It's not something that I get so much when we're in Europe, but it's a great, extremely nutrient dense meat and super lean.
Vanessa Spina:
So it's right up my alley. And I would probably eat it every day if it was available in Europe, but we do when we're in the US for sure.
Melanie Avalon:
Well, I also learned bison and buffalo are the same thing. Yeah, I was learning all about the nutrient profile and I was like, this is, sounds like one of the most perfect red meats. Like you said, it's super lean.
Melanie Avalon:
It actually has, the fat is intramuscular rather than outside of the muscle, like in cows. Like, so like in a ribeye where there's like all that fat around the edges, like for the bison, it's all inside of the muscle.
Melanie Avalon:
And they said that it cooks out actually easier. So it gets even leaner when you cook it. The nutrient profile just sounds amazing. And fun fact, at one point, there was only 300 bison left in the 1870s, I think.
Melanie Avalon:
Isn't that crazy? 300. Yeah.
Vanessa Spina:
I thought they almost went extinct. I remember that. But I know two people, two very prominent people in our space, who are women, who are extremely fit. And both of them mostly just eat bison.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh really? Like they're like carnivore and they eat like bison? Yeah.
Speaker 3
That's a Colby.
Vanessa Spina:
I want to try that. It made me think of you until I was saying it. I'm like, it sounds like something you would tell you. One woman I interviewed last year and she said it's like the best meat and also like the safest and for so many different reasons, like she was like, I don't eat poultry anymore and I don't eat this and that and she's like, I don't need advice.
Vanessa Spina:
And then the other is someone that we both know in the space who's like very prominent. I don't know. She doesn't really talk about like her diet that much, but I know that she personally like that's all she eats.
Vanessa Spina:
And then when I talked to the other woman, she kind of explained to me why and it is just like the perfect food. So are there numbers a lot larger now? Like what is it at now?
Melanie Avalon:
Mm -hmm. I think they said it's at, oh wait, I had it written down. There's a big difference between half a million and 50 million. That's a big difference.
Vanessa Spina:
We were watching this show last night with Luca about our great national parks, great national parks. It's like on Netflix, probably a lot of people have seen it. Obama narrates it and Oh, he does. Yeah, the Buffalo in Yellowstone.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh, there's approximately 20 ,500 on the plains and oh, yeah, this is what I learned. So 420 ,000 and commercial herds apparently eating. I mean, this sounds a little bit contrainduitive, but raising bison is what's keeping them alive.
Melanie Avalon:
Like if, if we weren't doing that, they probably would go extinct.
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, that's really, really interesting. Yeah, if you're in the US, probably should take advantage. I remember we used to get it like at our local health food store. We'd just get bison burgers and they were really delicious.
Vanessa Spina:
It was, yeah, it was great. I almost, I wish I could have more access to it, but I know.
Melanie Avalon:
I don't think we should have some right now. Wait, what did you learn in that documentary? Sorry, I interrupted.
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, no, we were just watching it with Luca because we watched a lot of nature shows now, like we've always have, but especially like with kids, it's like it's just a great thing to watch because there's like lots of animals and something we can all enjoy together and it's like quality programming.
Vanessa Spina:
But yeah, I just remember they were like in Yellowstone and Obama's like, I remember the first time I saw a bison, it was magical or something like that. We were just laughing about it. They're like kind of a mythical, but like, what's the word for it?
Melanie Avalon:
like prehistoric feeling yeah like there's an effort I think he said they're they're the oldest mammal on the US continent is that correct yeah there's something
Vanessa Spina:
Um, not magical, but just special about them that yeah, probably takes you to another era or yeah.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah. Like a bygone era. Mm -hmm. Yep. How romantic. That's really cool you learned all about them. I know. So now listeners know. Last two fun facts, then we can get into questions. One, I grew up in Memphis, Tennessee, and there was like a random, like when I would drive to school, there was this like patch of land and I had my son on it.
Melanie Avalon:
I always thought that was so random. They're just everywhere. And not everywhere. Second thing was, oh, and they went on a tangent. Oh, they don't have Costco in Europe, right? That's just a US thing.
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, definitely not here.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh, GMS Costco.
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, especially when my cookbook was like, in Costco, I wanted to go
Melanie Avalon:
your cookbook was in Costco did we talk about this I don't think I don't know did we talk about this oh my goodness yeah
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, it was there and so like I was always asking my family and my friends who went to Costco all the time, they would go and they would like take videos from me all the time. And they would be like, here we are, like here's Vanessa, send me these videos.
Vanessa Spina:
Like, I just want to go to Costco. Every time we were home, I was like, I can we just go to Costco so I can see my book there please, even though I saw it at Barnes and Nobles and chapters and like all over the US when I went on my book tour and blah, blah, blah, like I saw it everywhere, but I wanted to see it in Costco for some reason, it was like, maybe because there'd be like a lot of them.
Vanessa Spina:
I don't know what it was. I just like, there was I was just dying and I never got to actually see it there because like we were always traveling and so I just have a bunch of videos and like, you know, being tagged on social media, like when people would go there and get the book and stuff.
Vanessa Spina:
But I love Costco. I love how keto, like pro keto they are like there's so many pro keto keto foods. I've done, sorry, I've done interviews with different publications that are just like all the keto finds at Tesco, sorry, there's Tesco is what we have here.
Vanessa Spina:
It sounds very similar, but it's a British supermarket. And that's where we were today, actually. But Costco is very low carb and keto friendly to like, I really love that about them. Now they're selling gold bars, which is something exciting, like in our family, because it's like my husband's involved in like the gold market.
Vanessa Spina:
That's how he originally met. And they're also now selling those them big, like it's like, what do they not do? They have wedding rings, they have like, they literally have everything. So I can only imagine in the future, it's going to be like maybe just Costco is going to run the world.
Vanessa Spina:
I don't know.
Melanie Avalon:
Well, I will say apparently it's the other thing I learned because they have their bison in Costco as well, their products, and more of like the Pacific Northwest, but also down to like some more Southern states.
Melanie Avalon:
Apparently Costco is like an amazing corporation, just in general with everything they do as far as like the margins they take from brands and like their principles and ethics. And so I felt really, and this was coming from, you know, Brittany and John at Rome Free who were very, they were very like revealing and it was very eye opening talking to them about, you know, greenwashing and human washing versus what's actually real and sustainable and happening.
Melanie Avalon:
And they were big Costco fans. So awesome that you had your book there. That's amazing.
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah I love Costco. I'm so glad to know that about them too.
Melanie Avalon:
Me too. Me too. And I feel like the three places that are like a moment for having your book would be Costco, Target, and an airport.
Vanessa Spina:
I never got the airport one. I was yours in target. No, no. I just mean the airport one was like one that was sort of always, yeah. It may have ended up in one. I just don't know, but definitely wasn't in target, but yeah, big fan of Costco.
Vanessa Spina:
Shout out to Costco.
Melanie Avalon:
I actually have a story. Maybe I'll save it for next time. You weren't here during the Whole Foods Guy era. That was in the Gen era. Listeners know about my crush on the guy who worked at Whole Foods.
Melanie Avalon:
I have a story that relates to this and books and Whole Foods. Maybe I'll just put a teaser there. Friends will probably like to hear again about Whole Foods Guy.
Vanessa Spina:
Yes, I think I know about Whole Foods Guy.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh, you might've been listening to the show then.
Vanessa Spina:
Oh, it's like some guy that you either always saw there or did he work there?
Melanie Avalon:
he worked there and I had a major crush and I would like get dressed up when you go. I would like pretend that I was going in to get wine on like a Friday night and dress up and like go in and like okay did you ever oh I did I did awful I did embarrassing things like I yes I talked to him yes I walked up and was like do you have a girlfriend I did so much I'm so embarrassed
Vanessa Spina:
Like what happened? Like did you actually, did you guys ever go on a date? Like I never heard.
Melanie Avalon:
No, he had a girlfriend, yep. Long story short, I'll just close out that loop. Basically, when he finally left, once we got over the awkward time of me like attacking him in the parking lot, not attacking him, but like, you know, forwardly approaching him in my car to inquire about his relationship status.
Melanie Avalon:
Once we got past that,
Speaker 3
I can't do it anymore, it's hard!
Melanie Avalon:
I did. It was so bad. It was one of the nights that I went in, all dressed up. Then I went out and I was sitting in my car. Then he left and I saw him in the parking lot. I was like, oh, I cannot. I cannot not go up to him in my car at this moment.
Melanie Avalon:
I do crazy things. Long story short, when he was leaving, I gave him a copy of my book. And then I will never know. I don't know to this day, did he accidentally leave it there or did he on purpose leave it there?
Melanie Avalon:
But in any case, he left it at Whole Foods. My sister on another day finds it in the book section, texts me a picture and is like, Melanie, your book is in Whole Foods. And I was like, I was like, I know what this is.
Melanie Avalon:
I ran to Whole Foods, found the book, opened it because I had signed it. I was like, oh crap. And I awkwardly grabbed it. I'm like, they're gonna think I'm stealing, but I put it in my bag and walked out.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh, so embarrassing.
Vanessa Spina:
It's kind of funny. I wonder now if anyone's ever done that, like gone into a store that they wanted their book and then just like put a buzz. Like, it's like that guy last week who put his art in some major gallery.
Vanessa Spina:
Oh, he did. He worked there and he, he switched out one of the paintings with his own.
Melanie Avalon:
Did he get away with it for a while?
Speaker 3
No, he's like, it's like a, it's like a, yeah, a huge no -no, like, it goes a lot, basically, like doing that. Yeah, it's just kind of.
Melanie Avalon:
cute story. Like what if somebody tried to buy it, you know, like would it scan? I don't know what they do. So yeah, that's that saga flashback for all the listeners. I've totally forgot about that experience.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh my goodness.
Vanessa Spina:
I'm glad I got closure on that story, because I just remember you talking one day about how there was a cute guy at Whole Foods. And I was like, she's gonna get him like, they're gonna talk like they both like, they're both at Whole Foods, you know, they're probably into the same stuff, like, you know, they're gonna date.
Melanie Avalon:
Well, there was a guy I like met I did tell a story on the show once about I met like my perfect man at Whole Foods But it was a story of like I thought I met my perfect man And he was gonna come back into my life when we were gonna have a romance, but that never happened.
Melanie Avalon:
So I Just met him once and that's it He like knew by optimizers and like commented on my blue white blocking glasses and like knew all the things and he was beautiful
Vanessa Spina:
That was the one I heard. That was the one because I heard that and I was like, oh, they're going to date. Like he's still out there. He never, like you just never saw him again.
Melanie Avalon:
No, it was at a different whole foods location that I normally go to, I think that's...
Vanessa Spina:
That's the one I heard and I was like, that's such a cute, like meet cute.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, it's things like that where I'm like, maybe there's not some like overarching great purpose to everything. Maybe everything is just random Ever gonna see him again No, not to be like a downer I believe in magic Okay Should we talk about fasting?
Melanie Avalon:
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Melanie Avalon:
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Vanessa Spina:
I would love to. I mean, I take it every single day. It tastes absolutely delicious, but it's also scientifically formulated to help you build muscle because it is enhanced with leucine, which is the main branched -chain amino acid that helps you to initiate muscle protein synthesis.
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So yeah, it is really, really amazing.
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Melanie Avalon:
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Melanie Avalon:
You have two more days or today and tomorrow, so send that in if you like. Okay, fasting -related things. So I thought something fun we could do on this show, we can just try this out, see how it lands.
Melanie Avalon:
I've been asking some fasting -related questions in the Facebook group and I love hearing people answers and seeing like, I don't know, I just thought we could read people's answers and see what we feel, how we feel about their answers.
Melanie Avalon:
So a question I asked in this Facebook group, by the way, is IF biohackers, intermittent fasting plus real foods plus life. You can come in there and hang out with us. So I asked friends, what is your favorite intermittent fasting benefit?
Melanie Avalon:
Before I do that, Vanessa, should we share ours or should we read theirs first? Yeah, share yours. Oh, wow, on the spot, okay.
Vanessa Spina:
I was like, sure, you're a second, the other one.
Melanie Avalon:
I think mine, honestly, oh man, there's so many. Wow, this is a really hard question. Okay, I'm torn between, I love, it finally helped me find this pattern of eating. I mean, before intermittent fasting, I was so like on the diet roller coaster and the blood sugar roller coaster, and I was always thinking about food and I was just obnoxious.
Melanie Avalon:
Like it was not a fun time. I mean, it was a really fun time, but that aspect was not fun. And now it's like I can just, I get to eat all I want, like this luscious feast every night, and it's so delicious and I never feel deprived and then I'm not hungry during the day, and it helps you maintain like a nice body weight.
Melanie Avalon:
So I'm torn between that and the time, I think, that you get back. Like the time and mental energy of just not having to deal with food all day. It makes you so much more productive, I think. How about you?
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, there's there's so many things that come to mind. But recently, you know, I've been kind of switching back and forth a little bit between doing like two meals. And some days I do one meal. And when I do the one meal a day, like I have to say that I feel amazing.
Vanessa Spina:
I don't have to think about food all day. I don't really want to have two meals either. But there's definitely like more prep and thought that goes into it. So I feel really energized, really clear. Like I just had my main meal right before we started recording.
Vanessa Spina:
And I was like, man, I wish I was fasted, because I think so much more quickly. And I'm just way better at podcasting when I'm fasted. I'm way better at everything fasted, which is like probably not the case for everyone.
Vanessa Spina:
But personally, and I think you're like that too, you just are able to like, you're really in this fat field state, I feel like I'm when I'm in a fat field state, I'm in my best state, like, I think that's how we were kind of designed to be a lot of the time, like just add sessually to so I like I feel like I'm thriving for sure when I am fasted.
Vanessa Spina:
I love doing my workouts fasted. I love how little meal prep there is how little like work goes into it. I would say also it helped with like just food and everything. But for me, that's like really the protein piece that did it.
Vanessa Spina:
And just like feeling satiated, but it's like the two together that synergistically work together. It's like the high protein, the keto, the ketones, the fasting, I feel like they all work together so well, that I feel amazing all throughout the day.
Vanessa Spina:
And very energized, don't have to think about food, like all those things. And just being able to maintain the same size all the time, like I just have one, pretty much like the way my body is now is just how it is all the time, as opposed to like fluctuating and going up and down or that kind of thing.
Vanessa Spina:
So I think that that also is like one thing I really love.
Melanie Avalon:
I love that. Everything you said, I feel the same way.
Vanessa Spina:
I had to stop myself because I could probably talk about it right now.
Melanie Avalon:
I know. I know. I start talking. I was like, I'm gonna start crying. It's like the reason I love. No, I feel the exact same way. Let's hear what other people say. Okay. So Annette said energy, clear thinking, hopefully dementia prevention.
Melanie Avalon:
I actually have a really intense interview tomorrow. It's like, you know, it's crazy to think not to go to tangent, but it's crazy to think that the invention of DNA was not in our lifetime, but in the lifetime of people who are alive right now.
Melanie Avalon:
Like it's crazy how much we've learned the discovery. Mm hmm. Yeah. Like so the guy I'm interviewing tomorrow, it's two people. It's Lee price and Nathan hood. They have a book out called the age of scientific wellness.
Melanie Avalon:
It's crazy because Lee hood, one of the authors, he's like, he's like an original like he, so he literally talks about remembering when they discovered DNA. And then he, he did so much work developing a lot of the technologies that we use to sequence DNA and stuff like that today.
Melanie Avalon:
Why am I talking about this? Oh, he has a whole chapter about Alzheimer's and dementia. And it's really, really interesting to see the history of that and how little we seem to know in the scientific history of it and you know, what might help what might be preventative.
Melanie Avalon:
He doesn't, I don't think he talks about fasting. We do know fasting has a lot of support for the brain. It helps produce brain drive, neuro topic factor, ketones, which are protected for the brain. The autophagy process is likely helpful.
Melanie Avalon:
So I do think there's brain benefits. Hopefully, like she said, hopefully helping prevent things like dementia with fasting. I'm not making like a medical statement, but okay. Alice said so many less brain fog, more energy, better skin, no joint pain, and it's so freeing, less time spent thinking and planning meals, no counting points or calories.
Melanie Avalon:
It makes life less complicated. She said two years ago, I was having severe knee pain and the doctor talked about doing a partial or full knee replacement. I decided not to go back and instead took up spin classes three times a week and quit wearing heels.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh, no. But ultimately, I believe that I have helped to fight off the inflammation in my knee. And today, I relatively know knee issues. Kimmi said she had a similar story that her doc said she needed a knee replacement.
Melanie Avalon:
She did extended fast 24 and 48 hours. She had stem cell therapy, physical therapy, and now she can walk with no issues and the swelling is down 96%. And she says if she eats poorly for a few days, she feels it in her knees.
Melanie Avalon:
And then Sheila said feeling absolutely amazing all the time for four years and two months never stopping. Heather likes that it's flexible, yet it satisfies her controlling nature to be time restricted.
Melanie Avalon:
That's funny. I like that. Stephanie said it makes her morning easy. She doesn't have to worry about what she's eating or what she needs to bring with her. She eats when she gets home. And that's something because we get a lot of questions or we have in the past about people trying to make eating work with work, fasting work with work.
Melanie Avalon:
Some people, I don't know what Stephanie's work schedule is, but it sounds like she eats afterwards. Kenna says weight management and the health benefit of autophagy. Laura said clear brain power and thinking and energy.
Melanie Avalon:
Meghan said she used to stress about eating a healthy breakfast, so she appreciates the permission to just not eat one. She also likes the black and white of IF, she's either not eating or eating. She doesn't have to stress about making healthy choices all the time.
Melanie Avalon:
And she likes that if the situation wasn't convenient for eating, like a night class or traveling, she could just not eat. Chrissy likes less to think about, no lunch to pack. Oh, so here's another one where she had an issue.
Melanie Avalon:
This is a recurring theme. She said she had a trigger thumb in her left hand and two rounds of cortisone shots. My orthopedic surgeon said the next step would be surgery. I started intermittent fasting and within a very short time, my symptoms subsided.
Melanie Avalon:
I added Melanie Avalon's Sera Peptace, yay, that supplement you can win, and now have no symptoms at all. Oh, wow. My skin looks better and skin tacks I had are gone. A1C levels are greatly improved.
Melanie Avalon:
That's really exciting, Kelly. Thank you for sharing that. Laura said less digestive issues. Mary, it's the most effective method for her arthritis, inflammation, constants, energy, less food prep, great food, healthy relationship with food, stable weight.
Melanie Avalon:
She feels healthy. Amber, she's flexible, better sleep, less meal planning, using maintenance of a healthy weight. Stacey, she says she wants her brain, this is like what Vanessa was saying, she wants her brain to be clear, no fog, the energy is amazing, and the weight loss.
Melanie Avalon:
Joanne says mental clarity. Carly says realizing that hunger is not an emergency, it's okay to be hungry. David, less inflammation, Christine, weight management, it's the only thing that's worked. Kathleen says A1C and insulin levels are now in the optimal range.
Melanie Avalon:
That reminds me of a tangent about insulin. Teresa, not having to make breakfast. Nydia, she says she's not sure. She's been fasting on and off. She did it for two years without stopping, didn't really see any difference except the loss of weight that she gained back, then she stopped for a while, but now she's back at it, so she's going to see, oh, well, welcome back, Nydia.
Melanie Avalon:
Randy says appetite correction. Shannon, it simplifies her life. Kimberly, grocery store savings and her joints feel better. Deborah says she aged backwards. I love that. She says her face doesn't sag so much as before with intermittent fasting.
Melanie Avalon:
She just looks and feels younger. And Joan says sugar control to prevent diabetes. That was a lot of benefits. Do you have thoughts about the benefits?
Vanessa Spina:
I just love hearing them. You know, I think that's one of the reasons that I first started listening to this podcast back when Jen was your co -host was I just loved talking and hearing other people talk about the benefits because it's so nice when you're doing something, but maybe you don't know a lot of people around you who do it too.
Vanessa Spina:
And then sometimes you feel like awkward about it. You're like, you know, everyone else lives their life so differently than I do. I mean, I know a lot of people professionally or in our community that do, but I don't know a lot of people in my actual day -to -day life, although there's more and more lately.
Vanessa Spina:
Something's been happening. I saw it with intermittent fasting. Like my mom was just doing it when we were in Spain. And then we went to brunch with some friends on the weekend. And so my husband's best friend's partner was saying that she started doing intermittent fasting.
Vanessa Spina:
Like I feel like it's getting maybe it's like starting to hit more of like the mainstream, like people who don't, who aren't necessarily in these communities. But anyway, it's just nice to hear other people doing it.
Vanessa Spina:
I loved listening to you and Jen answer the questions that people have and just relating to either the benefits of it or the questions that people have about it. So it's really fun to hear all the benefits that people experience because every like pretty much, you know, like half of the things that you just read, I was like, yep, yep, yep, me too.
Vanessa Spina:
And that's why we're all here is because we've like found this lifestyle hack that is so amazing. And you know, once you do it and you live it and you know, you experience the benefits of it, I think it's just like, you don't really want to live any other way.
Vanessa Spina:
So yeah, it's just really fun to hear everyone's, you know, comments and such well thought out replies.
Melanie Avalon:
I agree so much, so thank you everybody for sharing. It was really interesting how so many people talked about the surgeries. That was really interesting, I thought.
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, it's it I have heard that as a recurring theme, like over the years, and also, you know, in the it's a lot of similar things to that I hear about like keto, I think, you know, a lot of these lifestyles and approaches, like they tend to bring us back to our homeostasis, like we get out of the way of our bodies, incredible intelligence and natural healing.
Vanessa Spina:
That's what I love the most, I think about fasting. Last thing I'll say is that it like, you get out of the way of your own body's incredible, powerful ability to heal and just thrive. And you're like, wow, my I am meant to thrive.
Vanessa Spina:
I meant to feel amazing in my body when I stopped doing things that prevent it, you know, eating too much parsley.
Melanie Avalon:
Do what? Sorry, I broke up.
Vanessa Spina:
Like a lot of our modern lifestyle, like I always say, it's like you wake up and you're either, you know, eating or drinking something every hour of the day and that that definitely gets in the way of our bodies like natural ability to thrive and feel amazing.
Vanessa Spina:
So when we get rid of that, or we do something different, you realize like, wow, I really can feel amazing all the time. I don't have to deal with all these issues or, you know, like I used to think like every day I would wake up and there would be something, something in my body.
Vanessa Spina:
That like hurt or wasn't right. And now it's like the opposite. It's, it's weird when I wake up and something is off. You know what I mean?
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, same here. And going back to like the eating, the eating thing, I think it's really, really telling or interesting because I think maybe people have never tried intermittent fasting. It might sound really scary or you think that you'll be like really hungry or like you can seem very foreign and you might not be able to imagine yourself enjoying it or that it would be something that would actually feel good and be quote easy.
Melanie Avalon:
I find it so interesting just how much your paradigm can shift completely because once you experience it, it's just so much easier at least for me personally. And I was just thinking about how much my paradigm has shifted and maybe when I say this, some people will probably be like, well, I really like that.
Melanie Avalon:
So I don't want that to change and in which case more power to you. But for example, something like going to a brunch I used to love, like I would love to go to a brunch and just like pig out and everything, right upon awakening, which now I like shudder.
Melanie Avalon:
Now when I see brunches, I just, you cannot pay me to go to a brunch. Again, some people will love that and they might not want that to change.
Speaker 3
hahaha
Vanessa Spina:
We went to brunch on Saturday and on Sunday this weekend, but Monday to Friday, like this is kind of what I've been doing the last few weeks, Monday to Friday, I've been doing one meal a day at dinner, and I've been feeling great doing that.
Vanessa Spina:
And it hasn't been affecting like my breast milk supply or anything like that, although I did go back for like about a month to doing two meals a day. And then on Saturday and Sunday, we had brunch and then we had dinner.
Vanessa Spina:
So that was again, back to my other pattern of like breakfast and dinner, and just like not snacking in between. So I know that's like a variation of intermittent fasting that I kind of, I call it like circadian rhythm fasting is a little bit different.
Vanessa Spina:
But I love like one of the listeners said the flexibility of it. And that's how I feel is like, you know, I can adjust or like some days we'll have a big lunch and then I'm not hungry for dinner. So that'll be my main meal of the day.
Vanessa Spina:
Like it just, it's adaptable, it's flexible, you know, you can work around it, but I love brunch. So I'm one of the people who loves going to brunch. I find it's like such a fun social activity. I usually don't have a huge meal there.
Vanessa Spina:
Like I used to have a huge meal when we would go for brunch. Now I usually just have like a small protein basting, like some eggs and I'll bring some protein bread with me. And it's like a relatively smaller protein meal for me compared to what I would have at my one meal or, or what I would have at home.
Vanessa Spina:
And I like the flexibility of that, but I feel like you can kind of still fit in things like that into your life if you want to, and you don't have to totally let go of intermittent fasting. You should still make it work for you.
Melanie Avalon:
I'm really glad you shared that and have that experience, because I think that covers like all the options that it can manifest, you know, there is a path for everybody. I don't know, I sort of maybe I wish I was like that.
Melanie Avalon:
For me, if I break from my normal pattern, it just messes up everything for me, like circadian rhythm wise and like hunger wise, it just throws me for a loop.
Vanessa Spina:
I mean, Dr. Sachin Panda is very strict about like, you should have, he says the research is like the best when you do your time restricted eating, you have the same window every day and you eat at the same time every day, like, I'm like, there's no way I'm eating at the same time every day, like, maybe when I'm much older, I could have some kind of program like that, or maybe you or other people listening could eat at the same time, but like for us, there's like a target, you know, and it happens like every day is different, like, especially with two little ones.
Vanessa Spina:
So like, when I hear him say that, or when I interviewed him, like, and I read his book, I'm like, I know he says you should eat at the same time every day, but there's like, there's no way that could ever happen for me.
Vanessa Spina:
But I know if you can, like what you do, that it's very beneficial.
Melanie Avalon:
Well, okay, so I'm so glad you said that I was not aware that he that that was his belief system. I mean, I like hearing it just because I feel like I so often hear the opposite, which I'm all about find what works for you.
Melanie Avalon:
I've been reading a lot of Mindy Peltz's books right now because I'm interviewing her soon. Did you have her on your show? No, so she's more about like cycling different types of fasts. And actually, we have a question.
Melanie Avalon:
I'll go in and read it because it relates to what we're talking about. Nicole wanted to know, should you cycle your length? I go from 12 to 20 depending on my days. So okay. So like, so like we were saying, lots of different opinions and perspectives here.
Melanie Avalon:
And before even you and I right now had this conversation about Dr. Panda, when I was just thinking about this question, I was thinking about how I really feel like it's more intuitive than not. And by intuitive, I mean, once you have your fasting muscle and know what fasting feels like, and know what feels good for your body, I like a more intuitive approach.
Melanie Avalon:
So like, for me intuitively, I feel the best doing the same thing, the same window ish every day, whereas Vanessa feels best changing it up, like she was talking about, I think it gets confusing, because there are people who have very specific protocols.
Melanie Avalon:
So like, Dr. Peltz, who I'm going to interview, she'll be on the Melanie Avalon biohacking podcast. She's like very specific and like fasting according to your cycle. And, you know, you fast less right before your period and right before ovulation and you fast longer.
Melanie Avalon:
I'm trying to remember when you fast longer.
Vanessa Spina:
First 10 goes your cycle, probably.
Melanie Avalon:
Okay, actually, yeah, that does make sense. So a lot of people will have that approach, but then we have Dr. Panda, who's saying, you know, do the same thing every day. I'll just talk about the reason I like fasting the same every day.
Melanie Avalon:
Maybe Vanessa can talk more, a little bit more about what she was just talking about with what she does. For me, I like it because I do find that my, my hunger hormones like ghrelin and leptin, ooleptin is a satiety hormone, but we have seen in studies that they tend to follow like a circadian pattern.
Melanie Avalon:
And so like with ghrelin, it gets released based on your anticipated meal times. So it's one of the reasons that if you have been eating constantly or say you've been eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and then you switch to like dinner only, you're probably going to get hungry at breakfast and dinner.
Melanie Avalon:
Part of that could be because your ghrelin pattern is still going. And so I think there is a benefit to sticking to something where you will wipe out that cue, that hunger cue, which might be happening at a different time.
Melanie Avalon:
That could be a thing. That's something I experienced. And then on the other hand, some people will make the argument that it's nice to vary things up because you keep your body guessing, which I do agree with that.
Melanie Avalon:
I guess for me, what I would probably do, I don't know, for me, I'm just so like, I just so enjoy the pattern that I have that it's hard for me to really diverge from it. I think if I were to do anything, I would just fast, like do a longer fast.
Melanie Avalon:
But I really think people in the end should be intuitive. And maybe that's too much of a casual approach. But Vanessa, do you have any more thoughts about it?
Vanessa Spina:
Definitely. So I think one of my really good friends, she works with Dr. Jason Fong, Megan Ramos, and she has always advocated switching up your fasting when you want to lose weight. So your goal is fat loss.
Vanessa Spina:
She definitely believes what you just said, that if you do the same thing every single day, like she says, do OMAD if you have like 10 to 20 pounds to lose. If you have more than that to lose, it's not a good idea, it's just do OMAD every single day because eventually your body will adjust.
Vanessa Spina:
So she talks a lot about switching things up. She usually recommends that people do like two 36 hour fasts a week, she's got all these different permutations and like different approaches and recommends that people switch it up so that your body doesn't get used to it.
Vanessa Spina:
Just like with exercise, like our bodies are adaptation machines, like they do adapt to what we do on a regular basis. So I think that there's definitely a case to be made for that, like if you are doing fat loss, like I just had a baby, I didn't really gain a ton of weight, but I didn't actually gain much weight at all during this second pregnancy.
Vanessa Spina:
The first one I did gain a little bit. But this most recent one, I didn't gain, but I don't feel as like toned as I was before because I wasn't like able to do the same kind of like amount of activity.
Vanessa Spina:
I tried to, like I just feel like a little softer. Like I don't know how to explain how to explain exactly, like I don't think that I necessarily have gained weight, but I don't just don't feel as like my body says like, what's the word for it?
Vanessa Spina:
Like tone, I guess maybe tone. So I've been switching it up a little bit and I am noticing like things feeling like more toned since I started doing the one meal a day again. For me though, long term, I probably will switch back and forth between doing two meals and one meal a day because like once I'm back at like my like whatever body composition that I feel my best at, I'm just going to want to be maintaining there.
Vanessa Spina:
And so I'm not too worried about having to switch it up all the time. It's just that more like social things will come up or like, you know, we'll be going out for branches on the weekend or we'll be going on vacation when like there's a breakfast buffet and a dinner buffet.
Vanessa Spina:
Like there's things like that that I'll be switching up for. But that's kind of the way that I look at it is like, what are you optimizing for? What are your goals? If it's just to enjoy the benefits of intermittent fasting overall, and you're not necessarily like looking to lose weight, then I don't think you need to switch it up all the time.
Vanessa Spina:
But I do think that if you want to switch it up, you can. Like there's no hard and set rules. Like that's one of the things we've kind of been the theme of today's podcast is like, that's what's so great about intermittent fasting is it's like this ability to not snack between meals and to feel this food freedom and to really enjoy your meals when you have them.
Vanessa Spina:
But you don't have to do the same thing every single day. So you know, there's kind of a few different like thoughts there. And you know, I think it just comes down to like what you're primarily optimizing for.
Vanessa Spina:
And if it's just for the benefits that come with intermittent fasting, I would say like you could do different windows, but you don't have to like it sounds like in your question, you're asking if you need to be switching it up.
Vanessa Spina:
And I don't think like that's a requirement.
Melanie Avalon:
That was so helpful. Yeah, I really like that. I really like Megan Ramos's perspective. I'm actually I'm interviewing her again as well. We had to keep pushing it back a little bit. Did she just wait?
Melanie Avalon:
Did she just have a baby? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Because I was going to interview her right around, I think when she had the baby. So that's awesome. Love it. Love it. Love it. I did want to comment as well on something that the breastfeeding part, because I found this, I was doing a lot of prep because this week I was on, not this week, last week, last week I recorded for an upcoming menopause summit where I talk about, so I talked about intermittent fasting for menopause.
Melanie Avalon:
So it was really fun. Actually, it has not aired yet. So I think you can still sign up and it's completely free. So definitely, so definitely sign up. I'm a speaker. JJ Virgin is in it. My friend, Catherine Arnston at energy bits, and then a lot of other really fabulous women as well as some men.
Melanie Avalon:
So you can go to Melanie Avalon .com slash menopause summit, and it's called the over 40 and fabulous women's summit. So I talked about intermittent fasting for menopause while doing research for that and trying to find the studies.
Melanie Avalon:
I did come across a study relevant to what Vanessa was talking about, which was it was looking at prolactin, which is a hormone responsible for milk production and mammary gland development. And it did a review of that for diet and fasting and how things might affect it.
Melanie Avalon:
And so it said that accumulating evidence suggests that weight loss diets, sorry, that weight loss through dietary interventions does not significantly affect prolactin levels. So just in general, that's just dieting.
Melanie Avalon:
At the point that this article was written, there had only been one study on intermittent fasting and prolactin, but it was in, it was a five to approach. So that's where you're eating normally for five days and fasting for two of the days.
Melanie Avalon:
And this was for 24 weeks. And it was in premenopausal women who were overweight and obese. And there was not any effect on their prolactin levels. So they said that this route, the results, although very limited, suggest that intermittent fasting may be safe for lactating females.
Melanie Avalon:
There was also another study on the effect of a five to diet on weight loss and just gestational diabetes risk reduction and breastfeeding women. And that study also showed that intermittent fasting was safe and that population group was well tolerated and led to no adverse changes in their milk production.
Melanie Avalon:
So they said that the findings warranted that basically they need more studies, but the studies to date did not show any adverse effects. So I just wanted to comment on that.
Vanessa Spina:
Yes, I thought you were going to be talking about this because I did a couple of episodes, I think it was like a year ago, just on how intermittent fasting affects women's hormones. And one of the, I think we probably were talking about the same paper and it found that it had no effect on prolactin, which I thought was really cool.
Vanessa Spina:
And it only had beneficial effects on all of the other female hormones. So that was really cool.
Melanie Avalon:
We can put links in the show notes. You said those were episodes on your show.
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, it was about like, I remember it was right when you and I first started recording. Oh my God, we're coming up on a year.
Melanie Avalon:
I was thinking about that yesterday somebody asked me how long we've been recording together and I was like, I was like, um, I was like, I think a year. And then I was like, wait, Vanessa literally went from like, not pregnant to like, carrying a child to like delivering a child.
Melanie Avalon:
So it was at least
Vanessa Spina:
Yeah, we started recording last May. So yeah, we're coming up on a year already or anniversary. But I remember when we first started recording together last May, I had just been doing a bunch of episodes on the optimal protein podcast about how intermittent fasting affects women's hormones, because it's a question that we both get all the time.
Vanessa Spina:
And it I think at the time, it had been getting some negative headlines about that. So I purposely dedicated some full episodes just to going through the research and showing that in most cases, what's happening is like beneficial effects on sex hormone finding globulin on estrogen levels on all of the androgens, like reducing androgens and all of those hormones that you know, levels that you don't want to have the bad estrogens and everything I was going through all of that.
Vanessa Spina:
And I remember seeing that more research was being called for, but that it did show that it didn't have not have an adverse effect on prolactin, which I saw with both times that I did, you know, breastfeeding with Luca.
Vanessa Spina:
And now with Damien, like it didn't affect the levels at all. And I think I was saying on one other episode that we had that I was like scared to try to go back to doing OMAD, even though I was like feeling called to it like longing for that like, not eating all day, like feeling the freedom and the time to, you know, actually get other things done.
Vanessa Spina:
And I was a little bit nervous too, but then I got like the stomach flu for two days. So I couldn't eat for two days. And I totally lost my appetite. And my breast milk was great. So there was it didn't affect it at all.
Vanessa Spina:
And I'm not saying that's going to be the case for everyone. But it's good to know that there is research actually supporting that it doesn't have any adverse effects on prolactin.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, no, that's amazing. We'll put links in the show notes to those episodes that you did so people can dive in deep. I redived in for that menopause summit, although I was looking specifically for studies on menopausal women and there was less than in pre -menopausal women.
Melanie Avalon:
But in general, it seems to be that there's not like there's either not an effect or there's a beneficial effect or there's like slight, I couldn't find anything that was like that showed a really detrimental effect.
Melanie Avalon:
And there's all this fear surrounding it and maybe we can talk about this more in a future episode.
Speaker 3
I'd love to.
Melanie Avalon:
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Melanie Avalon:
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Vanessa Spina:
Oh, this is just such a fun episode and just hearing all the positive benefits of intermittent fasting just always puts me in a really good state. So thank you to everyone who shared all of those amazing benefits of intermittent fasting.
Melanie Avalon:
Same. Although teaser, the next question I have for next week is, I think it's like, what is everybody's biggest challenge or it's the flip side question. So I'm excited to hear. Yeah, same. The other side of the coin.
Melanie Avalon:
No, this has been absolutely wonderful. And I can't wait to talk to you next week. Me too. Bye. Bye.
Melanie Avalon:
See you next week.
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