Welcome to Episode 452 of The Intermittent Fasting Podcast, hosted by Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What When Wine Diet: Lose Weight And Feel Great With Paleo-Style Meals, Intermittent Fasting, And Wine, and Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC.
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Melanie Avalon
Welcome to Episode 452 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy, and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat, with no calorie counting, then this show is for you.
I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What, When, Wine. Lose weight and feel great with paleo-style meals, intermittent fasting, and wine. And I'm joined by my co-hosts, Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with B.C. For more on us, check out MelanieAvalon.com and BarryConradOfficial.com. You can submit questions for the show by emailing questions at iapodcast.com or by going to iapodcast.com. We would love to hear from you. Please remember, the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment. So pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine if it's that time, and get ready for the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. Hi, everybody, and welcome. This is episode number 452 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon. I'm here with Barry Conrad. Barry, how are you today?
Barry Conrad
Melanie I'm doing sensational I feel so good I feel I'm having one of those weeks I think multiple weeks of just feeling grateful like gratitude has been the banner over my last few weeks last few days and I just feel really good I feel like I'm in my purpose I feel invigorated I feel inspired I feel excited I feel driven I feel stretched all those things so that's that's a good place to be for me
Melanie Avalon
That is so amazing. I love that.
How are you feeling? I'm feeling good too. And gratitude is such gratitude and laughter can help so many situations. Like if you're already feeling good, it just makes it way even more, you know, high vibration.
But if you're like not in, you know, not in a happy emotion or tension and then you have gratitude or laugh, just helps so much.
Barry Conrad
It really does. It really really does. And also, guess what? I bought my first pumpkin. Halloween pumpkin.
Melanie Avalon
And this is airing, by the way, in December just for listeners.
Barry Conrad
So sorry, listeners, you're already over Halloween, but this is airing, but this is a big deal to me. I've never done the whole Halloween thing properly.
I've got a pumpkin and I didn't carve it out yet, but I did draw on like a scary face. So like a post had to do, but it's, yeah, it's pretty funny.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so I'm so glad you're saying this because I wanted to talk about pumpkins today, but I was like, this is like a December 15th episode. I don't know if, but maybe we just can and people can be nostalgic.
Did you see my Instagram posts about the pumpkin I carved?
Barry Conrad
No, but I'm about to look at it right now. Should I pull it up right now?
Melanie Avalon
Wait, look, because there's three pumpkins, guess which one is mine.
Barry Conrad
Okay, here we go. Is it on? I'm looking at
Melanie Avalon
page right now I just posted it on my um it's all my stories but it's also my my post my profile whoa whoa what which one is mine
Barry Conrad
Oh, wow, this is okay.
Melanie Avalon
of one of them yours? One of them is, yes. I carved with my sister-in-law and her friend, who is now my friend.
Barry Conrad
Yours is the one on the right, the two with the dresses.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Do you see what that is? Do you see what it's supposed to be?
Barry Conrad
Is it wicked?
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Do you see it? Can you see it? Like, can you see the wicked vibe?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, it's it's it's clinden alphaba see I score points for me. I actually guessed that that means it's a good carving. It means it's good.
Melanie Avalon
Thank you.
It did not turn out the way I have done better work in the past, but I kept telling everybody, I was like, this is my worst pumpkin I've ever done.
But that's okay.
Because like a key, this is something you'll learn.
Are you, you're going to carve yours?
I'm going to give you some tips.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, because I bought the pumpkin, like, how do you how do people do this? Like, how do you what do you use? You just use a knife because it's pretty intricate what you've done here.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. Oh, so you know nothing.
Barry Conrad
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, I'll give you a quick, quick lesson. So you get your pumpkin, you decide your what you want to do, which you can either buy like a book with stencils in it, or you can just Google like whatever you want. Google, like I googled wicked silhouette, and then silhouettes will give you something that will work. Because you need it to be where you can like cut it out, you know, and it shines through. So then you get your stencil. And then you so I did it, in my opinion, the correct way, you tape it. Okay, actually, before that, cut out the top so that it's like a like a hat. And then you like pop up the top like pop. And then you scrape out everything inside. And you get it really good and scraped out and clean. And then you take your stencil and you tape it to the front. And then you can get like a pumpkin carving kit on Amazon. And you use the pointy piece that's kind of like a toothpick. And you go and you poke the outline of the like through the paper into the pumpkin, the entire outline of everything, then you remove the paper, and then you get the carving utensils and you carve out the pieces. But you need to make sure this is what my mind got messed up because there's like a key piece missing that fell off, like fell off that would have made their silhouettes more like they were they're supposed to be holding hands, but that piece fell out. So you have to be very careful.
Barry Conrad
It looks very impressive. I'm not going to like that.
Like even the bottom of the coat or the dress that dresses they're wearing, it's very like fine. Like how do you do that without it all kind of getting messed up?
Melanie Avalon
You gotta have the pumpkin carving kit that has a fine-toothed knife thing, and you gotta do the poking the holes around the outline.
Barry Conrad
I didn't know this was a thing, like a pumpkin carving kit. What? I thought people just kind of went to town and just did it, like, and just kind of... That's...
Melanie Avalon
That's what some people do, but ... Did you see mine last year?
Barry Conrad
No, now I want to see what did you do last year. I probably did, but can you say that to me?
Melanie Avalon
Let me send it to you hold on last year. I'm like really proud of it
Barry Conrad
I need to write this down. So, you know, when you, when you take everything out of the pumpkin, do you have to wash it because how does it stay?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, that's the other thing.
So and I was talking with my friends about this, and I'm sending you right now the one from last year.
It's a video but you'll see like you'll see right away mine.
So in my childhood, we would like carve these and they would just like last all season.
But they don't last long.
Mine's like dead already and I did it last night.
Well, it just gets old.
Barry Conrad
Mank, like what happens to it?
Melanie Avalon
It like shrivels up and maybe, you know, it's probably more a problem when you do intricate details like mine. Apparently you can do like a whole thing where you, it'll make it last longer where you like soak it in water and like put some bleach. I don't know. I, I realized this too late. So next year I'm going to try that.
Barry Conrad
Melanie I'm looking at this video and how did you do the Taylor's how did you do the writing the Taylor Swift signature yeah
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it's so thin. How did you do it? Well, the kit that has the precision saws.
Barry Conrad
Oh, now I see the Stenzel. Now you held up the Lana Del Rey one.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, yeah, because Danielle, Danielle, for that one. So last year, Danielle wanted to do Lana Del Rey and she didn't think it through. She didn't think through that, like, the stencil, what she was cutting out had nothing connecting it to the outer rim. So when she did it, there was nothing. It was just a circle because everything fell out.
Uh-oh. Yeah. You have to, if you're doing your own, like, silhouette stencils, you got to think through, like, is there something? Is there architecture supporting the image?
Barry Conrad
Oh, I just got my pumpkin 101 just then.
Melanie Avalon
I know, that's why I'm here. It's funny because I thought like, I thought I was like, do they do this in Australia? I don't know.
Barry Conrad
I was going to say as well because I went to a like a gathering with some friends the other night and had meatloaf for the first time as well.
Melanie Avalon
Meatloaf. Okay, I am so excited to hear because I don't know what I don't know. So I don't know what we have here that you don't know. So you have to every time you have to tell me I expect every week a new American finding from you.
So we got two this week. We got pumpkins and meatloaf. Okay, so meatloaf. How was it?
Barry Conrad
It was amazing and it sounds like a basic thing like you know but it's so it tasted so good and it was spicy the way this person made it like with extra spices was incredible and then also you you probably have soup with grilled cheese is that a thing that you guys do.
Melanie Avalon
Like tomato soup and grilled cheese? Yeah, yes. That's what we had. Yeah, wow. All-American meal.
Barry Conrad
Yes, we started with that and then had the meatloaf for like the, I guess, the main situation. But yeah, I've never had that combination in my entire life, ever.
Melanie Avalon
So do you know the thing about meatloaf here, though? No. OK, so it's funny because growing up, meatloaf is like a joke. What I mean is parents feed it to their kids and people have it for dinner, but you're always like meatloaf. It's like nobody likes meatloaf, which makes no sense because it's actually really good.
And then you become an adult and you're like, wait, meatloaf is good. But it's a thing. You could ask any kid, like walk up to a kid and be like, what do you think about meatloaf? And they'll be like, yeah, meatloaf.
Barry Conrad
But that's why I wasn't I wasn't kind of excited to try it. I mean, because I keep seeing that on movies like me love again, but it was actually really good.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so you do know, you do know.
Barry Conrad
I know about that, but it's actually really good. I'm like, what are people complaining about? It's so tasty.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it's kind of a lie, kind of like brussel sprouts. We've talked about this, like brussel sprouts are those, that's like the other food that when you're a kid, you're like thinking it's disgusting, but then you have it and you're like, this is so good.
They are so sweet. I don't know why kids don't like it.
Barry Conrad
Cause like with butter and like, oh, it's just so good. Yum.
And also you guys really get into Halloween here in general. It's really not as it's not like really an Australian thing. You really go all out. I love it so much.
Melanie Avalon
I mean, it makes sense because you got to have the cold season for it, you know, you got to be like I don't know Halloween when it's hot would be strange. Are you gonna dress up?
Barry Conrad
I have to. I have to commemorate this first one. I don't know what I'm going to wear yet. Do you have any ideas of a costume that comes to mind?
Melanie Avalon
Okay. And again, listeners, I'm so sorry. It's December and you're hearing about, wait, wait. Well, first of all, can I tell you my, my Halloween costume epiphany that I had?
Barry Conrad
Yes.
Melanie Avalon
So, wait, so how much do they do, do they do trick-or-treating and stuff in Australia and like costumes and
Barry Conrad
Yeah, yeah, like they do do it, but it's more like it's like an adopted thing from here. It's not It doesn't feel festive.
It doesn't feel like real real Halloween people do do parties and stuff like that But it's not not as much of a thing like the streets and stuff are all done up with Halloween Decorations years and that's not a thing in Australia
Melanie Avalon
Oh, okay. Yeah, we, we go all out. We're all about it.
So here's what I had the realization about. So when you're little, and you're dressing up for Halloween, you want to, you want to be like exactly like the character, like you want the costume that like is the character. Then, when you hit late high school college, I probably shouldn't use this word, you want, you want to be the scandalous version of the character, like the sexy version of the character.
Barry Conrad
I get what you're saying.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, like, so it's basically like take the costume and then like remove half of it. And that's what you are. And then you get out of that phase and you get back to like where like where I am now and you want to be the real character again. It's like you come full circle.
That's the thing. I think it's the thing. Yeah, I promise you, this is like this is the trajectory that everybody in the US goes through. And if you like are if you like stay in phase two, you might want to think about your choices.
Barry Conrad
I feel like some people, you know, like phase two, they're like, they want to be, you know.
Melanie Avalon
No, no judgment. You can stay in phase two. I just get really excited because I love trying to, like, I love trying to create the actual outfit completely. So it's fine.
Phase two-ers, we can still be friends.
Barry Conrad
Can I guess yours for this year? Yes, please do. Is it, Glinda?
Melanie Avalon
Did you see mine last year?
Barry Conrad
I feel like I saw you, but I always see you wearing amazing dresses and stuff, so I...
Melanie Avalon
Did you see my Glenda costume last year?
Barry Conrad
I feel like I have seen it, now I feel silly.
Melanie Avalon
I wore it recently, so let me, for the whiz, let me send it to you on Instagram again because this relates to the answer that you said in a way. You'll see. Slide on this, I think to the last slide.
Barry Conrad
Oh wow, okay, I have seen this dress and you look amazing. Or not the last, the second to last. Yeah, you look great, I have seen this.
Melanie Avalon
Thank you. So this I worked so hard to find to make like the perfect Glinda from Wicked part one. So Barry, you are correct, sort of. Can you complete your answer?
Barry Conrad
I get what you're gonna say. You're gonna say you worked so hard to recreate Glinda's attire from part one of the Wicked series, but now you're gonna work so hard to create her look from the second movie that's coming out soon.
Melanie Avalon
Yes.
Barry Conrad
Yes.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, and I've been so here's the thing though. I've been working on this for a while.
I couldn't find I couldn't find so like the good thing about the part one was I found like a legit epic dress like stunning. I couldn't find that for part two like that that dress is not out there. So I actually had to buy the costume. So I bought like the actual costume like the Disney license costume, but I'm not hasn't arrived yet. I'm not feeling very confident about what it's going to look like. So I think I'm gonna have to like, do some editing of it, like bedazzle it some more, maybe get it altered, like I'm gonna have to pimp it up.
Barry Conrad
Okay, what's like the three main differences between the first dress and this dress? Like, why is it different? Or how is it different?
Melanie Avalon
Well, have you seen the posters? The first dress is like the stereotypical Glenda from Wizard of Oz, what you think of, but like the movie version.
And the four good one, it's just a different dress. It's like a little bit blue, a little bit purple. It's got these funky shoulder things. It's got sheer sleeves.
Barry Conrad
I see it now. I'm looking at it right now. I can see the post.
Melanie Avalon
So stay tuned because like I said, I'm not feeling confident about what I ordered. But I feel confident that I can fix it up.
Barry Conrad
I feel confident about that too. I actually can't wait to see the big reveal. Do you think you'll post it before Halloween, actual Halloween, or just on the day itself?
Melanie Avalon
actual Halloween. Well, when I go out for Halloween. I can't wait to see it.
Which I Oh, it's too late. Well, I can still promote it in retrospect. I'm going to the sips under the sea at the aquarium. If any friends live in Atlanta, I highly recommend sips under the sea events at the Georgia Aquarium. It is so fun. Everybody go. And there's a lot of events. It's not just Halloween. They do it for like a lot of holidays.
Barry Conrad
Awesome. So sipping wine, I guess sipping any beverages under the sea.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, your tickets include drinks and then you get to see the aquarium without children everywhere and there's like a dance party.
Barry Conrad
A dance party in the aquarium!
Melanie Avalon
Uh-huh and they decorate the whole aquarium and it looks like Epic i'll send you after this a video a reel and some reels It's so cool and everybody's dressed up and then you're with the fishes drinking with the fishes.
They're drinking the Because they're in the water. Everybody's got liquid
Barry Conrad
Everyone's drinking and sliding, I'm sure, after drinking too.
Melanie Avalon
Wait, do fish drink? Oh, wait, wait, whoa, they don't. Do they?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, but their mouths are open. Hold on. They have to be.
Melanie Avalon
I have never thought about this in my entire life. Wait, oh my gosh, hold on. Let me look this up. I'm looking it up. Why didn't they teach us this in school?
Barry Conrad
Do fish drink? I mean, I always kind of thought, man, they must be really full because they mouse open the whole time.
Melanie Avalon
I bet they do. Saltwater fish constantly lose water from their bodies to stay hydrated. They drink seawater through their mouth and expel the excess salt through cells in their gills and urine.
And then freshwater fish have the opposite problem. The water around them is less salty, so water keeps rushing into them. They don't need to drink. Oh, they urinate a lot to get rid of the excess water. Whoa. So they, whoa. So water gets absorbed into their body and they like flush it out. They urinate it out.
Barry Conrad
Oh, okay. Well, I didn't. Yeah. I mean, I never thought about this before. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
Wow. But saltwater fish do drink. Whoa. My mind is so blown. Should we get into fasting stuff?
Barry Conrad
I think we should let's jump into some fasting stuff and have a drink of some fasting.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness. I'm making a note though about this fish fact, because that's for my mind blown podcast. That's mind blowing. I never knew that.
Happy December, friends. Berry. Happy almost Christmas. Do you have a study to start us off with?
Barry Conrad
I do have a study, and this week's study that I brought is called The Effect of Intaminifasting on Diabetic Patients, and it was carried out at AIMS in Telangana, India. It was just published actually last month.
Well, actually, this is in the future, so in September 2025 in the Journal of Family Medicine and Primary Care, which is a respected peer-reviewed journal run by Walter Kluwer. This is actually a narrative review. So, the authors went through dozens of clinical studies, both randomized trials, controlled trials and meta-analysis to piece together what we actually know about fasting and diabetes across both type 1 and type 2. So it's not just one experiment, it's more of a bigger picture to look at all the signs so far. So, the main question that they wanted to answer was pretty simple. How does IF, intermittent fasting, affect people with diabetes? Specifically, their blood sugar, their weight, their insulin sensitivity. So what are the real-world risks? What are the benefits? So, across a lot of the studies that they reviewed, intermittent fasting clearly helped with type 2 diabetes. The people with that lose weight and improve blood sugar and control. One clinical trial showed that after six months, people with obesity and type 2 diabetes lost about 3.6% of their body weight with IF, which is crazy. While those on standard calorie restriction didn't lose much at all. So both groups improved blood sugar levels, but the fasting group found their plan much easier to stick with, which honestly, I think is half the battle as well, rather than trying to stick to a diet. Another randomized trial compared to fasting schedules, so 16.8 and 14.10, actually, against a normal diet in a 99 diabetic adult. And the results that they found was the 16.8 group lost about 4% of their body weight, and they saw better HPA1c scores and even improved cholesterol levels compared to the control group, which is pretty powerful from simply changing when you eat, not what you eat. They also included a massive 405-person study from China comparing a 5.2 fasting meal replacement plan with diabetes medications like Metformin and Empelophosin. After 16 weeks, the fasting group dropped nearly 10 kgs, which is more than either medication achieved and lowered their A1c by about 1.9%, a clinically meaningful improvement. So overall, when they looked across these trials, the fasting consistently reduced fasting glucose, insulin resistance, waist size, even improved lipid levels, things like triglycerides and total cholesterol. Basically, it wasn't just helping with blood sugar, it was tackling the whole metabolic picture. But of course, there's always cautions as well. The authors made it very clear that fasting for people with type 1 diabetes or anyone using insulin or certain blood sugar lowering medications, they should really seek doctor's advice because it could be risky.
Barry Conrad
Hypoglycemia, low blood sugar, is a big concern, so along with dehydration of dizziness if fasting isn't managed carefully, that could be really bad.
So for people with type 2 diabetes, though, when it's done under medical supervision, the benefits generally outweigh the risks.
So what's the take-away?
Basically, it's basically saying that intermittent fasting is one of the most promising low-cost lifestyle-based tools that we have for managing type 2 diabetes and it improves our insulin sensitivity, trums our body fat, helps stabilize our blood sugar, but again, it's not one size fits all.
So for anyone with diabetes out there who's thinking about trying it, the message is pretty clear.
Do it with guidance.
But when it's done safely, the science is saying time and time again, fasting can help your body work with insulin instead of constantly fighting against it.
And I think that's a pretty empowering message for listeners living with diabetes now.
It's a lifestyle shift that's not just a diet of the month.
Do you have any thoughts?
Melanie Avalon
Awesome. I love this so much. Quick question. So the one they were talking about where they looked at 16.8 and then you said 14.10, did they only find benefits for 16.8 but not 14.10, do you know?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, so they mentioned just the results that the 16A group lost around 4% of their body weight and saw the better HPA1Cs, but they didn't actually mention here anything about the 1410 per se.
Melanie Avalon
I wonder if that means they only found benefits with the slightly longer fast, you know, compared to the... Yeah. I was thinking the same. That's really interesting. Either way, like what I love about this is, you know, a lot of people turn to intermittent fasting to deal with blood sugar control and type 2 diabetes, but then there's all these other benefits that you get. It's kind of like whatever benefit you come to intermittent fasting for, it's just so awesome that you get all these other ones, you know, looped in with it, which is amazing.
And I also think people... I just feel like it's so common that people... I mean, it is common. It's very common that people get diagnosed with, you know, pre-diabetes and then eventually type 2 diabetes, which is really sad. And that can... I think really feels like a death sentence for a lot of people, like it's like, oh, once you hit type 2 diabetes, now you're type 2 diabetic for the vibe is that you're that for the rest of your life. Like that's the sentence, now you are a type 2 diabetic. And if you reduce your blood sugar levels, it just means that you're, you know, mitigating your type 2 diabetes. When reframe, you know, it's quite possible that with dietary changes and intermittent fasting that you could lower your blood sugars, lower your HBA1C, no longer be in the type 2 diabetes range and, you know, like be in remission, like actually not be type 2 diabetic. So there's just so much power that comes with this.
Barry Conrad
I love it. I totally agree.
There's so much more going on inside our bodies that people don't realize if they don't know much about intermittent fasting. It's not just to lose weight. That's one part of the whole picture. There's so much, so many benefits. It's amazing, actually.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I love it. So great find. And I'm glad that they're doing more reviews like this, where they're looking at all this data and pulling out the common findings.
And actually reminds me of something I actually wanted to talk about because I got my results. I know you recently got back to the US. Did you send off your blood test for superpower?
Barry Conrad
I didn't, no, I did not yet. No, I need, I haven't, no.
Melanie Avalon
So I did and I got back my results and this just reminded me of it because like lab work and stuff. I am so impressed with all of the data that it covers. It gives you so many, well it gives you so many things that you should be testing but then on top of that it gives you all of these calculated ratios that help you interpret the data. It's really, I'm like very, very happy with it and impressed.
So just a quick shout out to Superpower. If listeners are looking for a good resource to get really comprehensive blood work at an affordable price with a lot of results and then interpretations and you can actually like talk with them to understand things more, I highly recommend it.
Barry Conrad
I really want to check the I'll check my deliveries and because I surely would have gotten up and I really want to do it now.
Melanie Avalon
It's an email code that I emailed you. So you just scheduled, I think it's like super easy.
You just schedule, you like sign up on the platform and then you schedule out a quest location and quest locations are like everywhere. And then you just go in for your blood draw and then you see Breezy.
Barry Conrad
I can't wait to hear what you like, what yours was and what you found and what was surprising. What wasn't surprising.
Melanie Avalon
So to get their special price, which it's $1.99 and you get this, which is just so good for all of this blood work.
To get their special price, which is $1.99, which is amazing, just go to superpower.com. Oh, and it also gives you your biological age. And I know we've talked about this a lot and that there's a lot of different formulas and ways that people calculate it. But I felt pretty good about mine.
I'll tell you what mine was.
Barry Conrad
I can't wait. I can't wait to this.
Actually talking about the biological age is fascinating to me because there are probably a lot of differing results out there with different companies. So I'm really I can't wait to try this one and to find out what mine is.
Melanie Avalon
I know I'm, I'm really, really excited to see what yours is. And one second, I'm just logging in.
Barry Conrad
Were you nervous to find out yours or were you like feeling anticipation or did you guess what it would be or?
Melanie Avalon
So honestly, yes and no, there's just so many, like I said, so many different ones out there that I don't know how much, I don't know how much weight I actually put in it just because there are so many different ones out there. So basically, it works my favor where it's like, oh, if I get a low one, I'll feel good about that. But if I don't, maybe this is just me like wanting to feel better about myself. But like my, the scores I got so much, you get like a superpower score, which is like how healthy you are out of 100. So I got an 88, which was you're very healthy, keep going. So that's good.
And the biological age, it said I was 7.8 years younger. That was fun. That's crazy. Oh, it also shows your your pace of aging, which is cool. And just so many, especially like people are interested in cholesterol, you get so many markers, you get total cholesterol, LDL, HDL, triglycerides, APO-B, LDL-HDL ratio, non HDL cholesterol, TYG index, cholesterol HDL ratio, and then like a million other ratios calculated like neutrophil to HDL, uric acid to HDL. There's literally dozens more LDL to total, LDL-C to APO-B. Like these are things like non HDL total cholesterol ratio. There's literally like a dozen more triglyceride HDL molar ratio. And what I really like about it too is when you click on anything because it's this can sound really overwhelming. It gives you a very easy to understand explanation of what it is. Yeah, it's really, really cool. So highly recommend.
Barry Conrad
I'll get onto it, I'll get onto it.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, please do, because I really want to know. All right, shall we jump into some listener questions for today?
Barry Conrad
I think we should. Let's do it.
Anna on Facebook says, talk about ADF, please. The up days, how to best support the down days. When is best to work out? In brackets, cardio, strength, if modified fast, 500 calories. When within the fast is it best? What foods? What if you have a special occasion on a down day? How do you catch up? Melanie, what do you reckon?
Melanie Avalon
Awesome.
Okay.
Anna, such great questions.
Okay.
So ADF, it's alternate day fasting.
And there are different ways that people do this, but it's basically where some days per week you eat normally.
And then some days you either do a complete like zero calorie fast, or you can do a modified fast where you have around 500 calories, which is kind of what she's referring to when she talks about, yeah, she talks about the modified fast.
And the thing about ADF is there is a lot of research on it.
It's one, it was probably one of the most studied forms of fasting, especially because it was something that was studied for quite a while before the more, I feel like it was like one of the first like studied protocols, because it's something that they can, it's very easy to do like a protocol to be studied.
The thing is, there's a, like I said, a lot of different ways you can do it.
So you really have to find what works for you.
So like, for me, if I were to do it, because there aren't hard, hard rules about everything.
So like the modified fast day, the 500 calories, there's no rules around that.
Like you could eat that slowly throughout the day, you could have it all at once, like a one meal a day.
Like for me, if I were to do an ADF type situation, I would want to on the fat on the modified fasting day, if I were to do that, I would want to have all my 500 calories at once, probably have just like pure protein, because then I could still eat like a, you know, I would probably be full, like I could still have my one meal a day and eat like a lot of chicken, and at least not be completely, you know, starving.
On the other hand, you might want to hack it to get a low protein day because we do know there are some benefits to having very low protein days, which would happen if you did a complete fast that day, or you might with that 500 calories want to actually do like no protein, which will kind of be similar to what you eat on a fasting mimicking diet.
And that would be it just depends on like, what are your goals?
What is sustainable for you?
Like for me, a complete fast, I just can't sleep well.
So I know that doesn't work for me.
But if that works for you, I mean, more power for more power to you go for it, as far as how to work out strength or cardio.
So I have different recommendations here.
So I think low intensity cardio is great for the fasting days, because that's going to, you're going to be in a fat burning mode anyway with the fasting and low intensity cardio.
So we're talking about like going on walks and things like that.
That's going to help you burn more fat, it's going to help mitigate hunger.
It's not going to create a need for, you know, a stimulus for muscle building, you're not you're not you're not doing that.
So you don't want it, you don't have to worry about, you know, getting a lot of protein to replenish that.
But then again, like I was saying, if you did like a modified fast, you could definitely get enough protein and 500 calories worth too, if you were to do some sort of strength training, but I probably wouldn't like I probably would do the the lower intensity exercise on the fasting days.
Melanie Avalon
And then on your normal days, that's when you could do more strength training, high intensity cardio, things like that. And then if you she's talking about you know what to do if you she said if you have a special occasion on a down day, how do you catch up? So like on a fasting day, what are you going to do if you have a special occasion? If it's okay.
So this is me being being real, like how many? Like, what do you mean by special occasion? So if you're talking about things like your birthday, or Thanksgiving, or Christmas, don't do a down day on those days, like modify, like change around your, your ADF schedule so that you're just not having a down day that day. But I don't know what you mean by special occasion, you might be considering just going out to dinner being a special occasion, and maybe you're doing that weekly. And so now it's more a thing where you actually need to adjust for something that's more consistent. If that's the case, I would look at your overall approach to ADF like are you doing it where you're doing the exact same days, every week? And if so, maybe just switch around the days that you're, that you're doing it for. If it's already like up in the air anyways, then that works even better because you could just, you know, make it match your social schedule. Or you could just not have as many down days that week. Like that's totally fine too. It's more about the consistency over time rather than just one day off plan. And if anything, you know, mixing things up here and there can, I think really help the body keep it guessing and things like that. You could also make another day that like normally would have been a complete up day where you're eating normally, make it maybe like a half, a half day, like a half fast day. So maybe like that day you do a one meal a day type fasting schedule, but you don't restrict your calories. So then it's kind of like you're throwing in like an extra fasting day without taking away from your, how do I say this? So if you cancel out the down day, add in your special occasion, and then turn an up day into like a modified fast, but still eat as much as you want in your eating window. It's kind of like mitigating it a little bit by adding some extra benefits in other days. I don't know if I'm making sense. The point is I think you can be flexible and do what works for you. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't overstress about the occasional one off situation where things get, you know, go a little bit differently. So what are your thoughts, Barry?
Barry Conrad
Melanie, that was so comprehensive and you covered so much there and so many of the things that I was thinking as well. And first of all, thank you for the question. And I love that you brought it up because someone actually asked me this week about ADF. And so this is really timely. I don't personally do ADF, but I have tried it before just to see what all the fuss was about, if I'd like it, if I'd find it easy or hard. I did the modified fast, that modified down there. So I did, I didn't stick to 500 completely. I did more 650, but same, same. I do think the first thing that jumped out to me when you said special occasion was exactly what you said, Mel. Is it a birthday? Is it a wedding? Is it a Christmas? Because if that's the case, the beauty of fasting is you can just work it around your life. So I wouldn't stress. Just, well, I wouldn't stress about that at all.
But I don't, we don't know what you mean by that. So we'd love to know a bit more. For me, I'd say for workouts, I'd follow the same principle. Like, you know, train when you've got energy. I personally train fasted. I love the focus and lightness it gives, but I'd keep lighter on the low calorie days. So exactly what Mel was saying, like walking or stretching or mobility work, and then go heavier on the up days, you know, when you're, when you've got a bit more to burn.
For the special occasions, again, like I'm all about flexibility. If life throws you a dinner on a celebratory moment, I like what you said, Mel, about making it even like a modified update as well, because that way you can still get a good fast in there and not stress too much about what you're eating. I think that's a really great idea. And a lot of the time when I talk to people who do do ADF, is that the updates are actually really where the magic does happen. So if you're fueling your body properly there, Anna, good protein, healthy fats, real food, it does make the down days easier. I really do believe that.
And even when you've, even when I'm fasting 20 hours a day, it's the same thing when I'm fueled probably. So your body doesn't feel deprived in those down days, it's going to feel more supported. So making sure you're replenishing your fuels with good nutrition is really important. So you can set the stage for the next fasting day.
Melanie Avalon
When you did your, when you experimented with it and you said you had like 600 calories or so, did you do it like I was saying, like a lot of protein in a one meal a day situation or did you have it throughout the day?
Barry Conrad
There's no way I definitely didn't do it throughout the day because I kind of thought as well my understanding of it because you're right there aren't that many parameters around like when you can do it like you can eat all day I just didn't want to go so I just had like one meal a day vibes.
Melanie Avalon
which you can you can eat like a lot of meat for, you know, like 600 calories. Awesome.
Barry Conrad
So just like chicken and chicken and beef and I felt pretty satiated.
Melanie Avalon
But then again, it's like, I'm actually, I'm really curious. It's like, if I were to do it, I almost might want to do the low protein thing just for that, like that protein fasting concept, but I'm on the fence.
I don't think I'll ever actually do it practically because I need my big meal every night. I just, life's too short for me.
Barry Conrad
It's too short. It's even, it's sort of like, even like the P protein modified spare sparing diet kind of situation as well. That's sort of like someone to that then.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, like a protein sparing modified vest. Yeah, pretty much. Okie dokie.
Barry Conrad
Thanks for your question Anna.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, thank you, Anna. Shall we go on to our next question?
Let's do it. Okay, so these questions are from Teresa and she says, okay, so my favorite parts of the episodes are the beginning and end. Yay. I love hearing the two of you catch up on each other's lives and have random conversations and also enjoy hearing your take on different restaurants when you break your fast. So these questions aren't really fasting or scientific, they're more AMA. Number one, with both of you having acting experiences, which movie or TV show would you love to star in and which role would you play? Perhaps it might be fun if Mel chooses Barry's and vice versa. Example, Mel plays Serena from Gossip Girl. I've never seen the show, just an example. Yeah, so should we pick for the other person or pick for ourselves first?
Barry Conrad
Let's pick for the other person first, I reckon.
Melanie Avalon
Okay. Okay. Well, so I'm going to cheat because I want us to both be in the same shell.
Barry Conrad
That's a good call. Yes.
Melanie Avalon
I win, and the show I'm picking is Star Trek, Strange New Worlds. I want to be in a Star Trek, or does it have to be that show? I want to be in a Star Trek series.
Barry Conrad
I don't think you've ever told me this before, this is new information.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, really? Yeah, I would love to be in a Star Trek series so bad. That would be everything to me. I'm obsessed with Star Trek.
Barry Conrad
Would you have like a character like a type of look or character that you'd like within the Star Trek?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I would want to be, well, Nurse Chapel is already taken. I would have wanted to be Nurse Chapel in Strange New World.
I would like to be if they have Yeoman Rand, if they make her character bigger and integrate. She's like really the only like blonde from the original series that was young, that was kind of reoccurring. She was only in, I don't know, she's probably only in like five episodes, but they could turn her into a bigger character. Or it could be like a completely new Star Trek series where it's not original characters. And then I'll just be, you know, I don't know what I'll be, but I'll be somebody new.
Barry Conrad
Can you tell me the name of that nurse again?
Melanie Avalon
Yeoman Rand, it's like Yeoman, like the type of Sarge, like what she is, and then Rand is her last name. Because
Barry Conrad
You know Nurse Chapel in Stranger New Worlds, she, her name is Jess and she's, we're like the same agent. She's like Aussie. She's an Aussie.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, she is?
Barry Conrad
Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my gosh, I didn't know that, she's killing it.
Barry Conrad
I could see you doing a role like that.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, and then you can be whatever you want to be.
Barry Conrad
I don't know. I don't know enough Star Trek lore to have a fully informed opinion. Who do you think I'd play on Star Trek?
Melanie Avalon
We might have to take one of the original series episodes and do a spin off.
Barry Conrad
Yeah. We'll like write a whole new, you will do a spinoff of our own one. We can lead the charge.
Melanie Avalon
I know what we could do. There's this episode called Who Mourns for Adonis, and the theory or the plot is that they go on this planet where it's like all the ancient Greek gods, because they find out the ancient Greek gods actually were like aliens who visited Earth. But then they actually thought they were gods because of how they were treated on Earth and such. So you could be one of the gods.
We could be on that planet. We could be the gods on that planet, and we could interact with the Star Trek people.
Barry Conrad
I'd be all for that. And then we could have like, you know.
Melanie Avalon
You could be Adonis.
Barry Conrad
I could be a donut, that sounds a feeling. And then we can like eat in space. We can drink in space, the whole thing. That's a big part of it.
So how about you? What's your, I also thought for you, Mel, like an Emily in Paris type five, I could totally see you doing that. I could totally see you doing that kind of character.
Melanie Avalon
We've talked about this before. We could have done that show.
Barry Conrad
We could have done that show. We can do that show.
I see you. I think, listeners, I actually told, well, Teresa, actually, I should say, when I first watched it on Netflix, I told Melanie on one of our calls that she reminded me of Melanie. Do people say that to you?
Melanie Avalon
Nobody's ever really said that to me, but I remember when he said that. I think it's her personality. I agree.
Like when I watched it, I'm like, yeah, that's how I would act pretty much. Yeah, that tracks.
Barry Conrad
So, I can see you doing something, or even like the marvellous Mrs. Maisel, have you seen that? She's got that quick fire delivery, like blend of brain, and yeah, she's awesome.
Melanie Avalon
I think my sister was like really liked that show. Yeah. What would you want to be if you could pick?
Barry Conrad
You know what? I love, like, have you seen that show Paradise?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, this was movie too. I'm throwing Lord of the Rings in there.
Barry Conrad
a movie as well. Oh, if it's a movie, X-Men, let's do it. Marvel. I'd be Marvel here.
Melanie Avalon
And I have to re-answer, because Barry needs to be a superhero in something. Like, he just has to. You have to.
Barry Conrad
I really would love, like, that's like a dream. I would love it to be in a superhero movie, like especially a Marvel superhero movie.
Melanie Avalon
You have to, this has to happen.
Barry Conrad
It has to happen, we're putting in the universe.
Melanie Avalon
Are you listening? Yeah. And what's paradise?
Barry Conrad
Paradise is such a good, it's like a really like good dramatic show. We're still in Cape Brown and basically the American and a lot of the world gets blown up and there's this like world that's built underneath the earth.
It's like a whole like, it's like a simulation. Like it's almost like, is it like post-apocalyptic stuff? Yeah, post-apocalyptic, but like the world that they build is like so serene and placid and like beautiful and, but it's all like not real, but people, yeah, it's actually like, I think you'd actually like it because it's very much like simulation vibes.
Melanie Avalon
Nice. I can see you there. You'd be there.
Barry Conrad
Cause it's also like he's like a, you know, he's like a, you know, he's physical. He's like, goes after the bad guys. It's awesome. It's fun. Good dramatic character.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome. Well, I'm excited. I can't wait to see your next thing, whatever it is that you're gonna be in.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, and I can't wait to see us both on Star Trek.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. We could save Teresa's next two questions for next week. Should we do that? Especially because I think the first one, the next one does involve...
Barry Conrad
Yes. So Teresa, stay tuned for part two.
Melanie Avalon
All right. And speaking of, so she was mentioning that she likes when we do our proverbial breaking of the fast restaurant exploration. So shall we do that now?
Barry Conrad
Let's do that. And you know what, Mel, I have to actually say that I love getting that feedback that people, just different parts of the show that people enjoy.
Like it's so, it means a lot to us. So thanks for, thanks for listening, everyone.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I got I got really excited because we got this one and then I got an email that I sent you that was yesterday. And then I also saw a similar comment, I think, in the Facebook group about people liking like the restaurant stuff and the banter and such. So, yay, let us know what you guys like, what you would like more of. We are happy to try to make everybody happy, which is not possible, but we try.
OK, so this I'm continuing like I was on my haunted restaurant streak. So let me get the one I'm going to do because last time I did my hundred hundred restaurant, I said I had four. We did one. And then I said the next one I was going to do that they had kind of like an interesting set up.
Barry Conrad
You did say that, so I'm in suspense now. So I'm like, what is it?
Melanie Avalon
So let me tell you about it. Okay, this is called the Grill House, and it was built in 1836, and it kind of looks like a barn house, and it's in Michigan. So it has like an old-fashioned country aesthetic, and it has its unique concept, which I'm going to tell you, but the legend about it is that a local lumberjack died in a knife fight on the property and was buried in an unmarked grave somewhere in the yard. Witnesses claim to have seen the lumberjack spirit around the property, but the good news is he is a friendly presence, and it's considered one of the most haunted restaurants in the country.
So, Phantom Lumberjacks looks like a barn, but the setup is it has this massive grill, and you diners, you grill the meat yourself. So let me like, let me, let me, I need the link.
Barry Conrad
I need to see this situation. This sounds very interesting for sure, the setup.
Melanie Avalon
So here it is.
Barry Conrad
He's a friendly, he's a friendly ghost.
Melanie Avalon
He's a friendly lumberjack phantom. We love that.
Barry Conrad
Okay, it's good. Looking at it now, here we go. Where you become the grill master. That's like the...
Melanie Avalon
Oh, they have a holiday wine tasting Friday, November 7th, we should go.
Barry Conrad
Also, the food looks pretty good so far.
Melanie Avalon
So it's not really my vibe and that it's a casual dining experience and I love, you know Fancy schmancy, but I really like this grill master experience So do you see that did you just go down and see the big grill that's in the center? So there's a they have a large 30 person grill 30 person grill and you go up with your group So it starts you hand select your favorite steak.
Then you go to the grill And you grill it and then you eat it
Barry Conrad
I'm picturing you doing it and you just throw it in for like one second because you like yours blue.
Melanie Avalon
I'm done. I wonder if they like monitor, it says they have grill masters that assist you with cooking times.
Can you imagine me getting kicked out? Like I just like put it on for like a second. They're like, ma'am, ma'am, you have to, nope.
Barry Conrad
It's our safety rules you have to, you can't do it for like a second, you have to.
Melanie Avalon
Sorry, sorry. And so the way the entrees come, so all entrees include a bottomless bowl of family-style house salad with balsamic vinaigrette dressing. Would you eat any of that? Yeah, yeah.
That sounds good. How about the sides? Unlimited sides are baked potato with butter, sour cream, green onion, cheese, and then baked beans, caramelized onions, and Texas toast. What would you eat from the sides?
Barry Conrad
Oh, I would do the big potato. I'm not really a beans kind of guy. Are you a beans person? No. No, no, no. You told me this actually or not. I prefer a big potato all day.
Melanie Avalon
Especially baked beans. Have you had baked beans? They're so sweet. They're like sugar.
Barry Conrad
You know, in Australia, it's like beans on toast, baked beans on toast is a thing.
Melanie Avalon
Oh really? Kind of like our grilled cheese tomato soup situation?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, but yours, that's way tastier than just baked beans and toast.
Melanie Avalon
Is it and it's the baked beans like they're like sweet right aren't baked beans really sweet
Barry Conrad
Yeah, they're looking like a tomato sauce kind of thing and you just take it out of a can and slap it on the bread and eat it.
Melanie Avalon
Am I thinking of something different? I'm thinking of the beans that are really, really sweet. Yeah. We probably make them sweeter here, though, in the US.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, that tracks.
Melanie Avalon
So, okay, so would you eat any of the Texas toast? I might taste the caramelized onions, maybe.
Barry Conrad
You know what, I think I'd taste the onions over the beans. So yeah, I'd have some of the onions. That sounds good.
Melanie Avalon
and then you pick what you're actually grilling. So what would you get? There's so many things.
Barry Conrad
So grill room menu. So I would... Man, there's actually so many options for sure. I'm going to take several things. I'm definitely going to do shrimp dinner.
I know it's not meat first. I'm going to do the shrimp dinner. I'm going to do... Oh, wow. The American wagyu steak with rich buttery texture. That looks good too. Probably those two, that one and the shrimp. What about you?
Melanie Avalon
I think I would get a bacon wrapped filet mignon, also the shrimp dinner, also I think I want to throw in some chicken breasts.
Barry Conrad
I was looking at that as well. I'll do that too.
Melanie Avalon
We could just have a meat fest.
Barry Conrad
It's going to be a protein fest, yeah. I love that idea. Even if you're pretty much going to walk up to the grill mill and just turn around again, except with the chicken, you have to cook that.
Melanie Avalon
I know, I would probably, yeah, oh my goodness. We could also get like a strip just to like, you know, I don't know, I just want more meat.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, it's so more-ish, I reckon.
Melanie Avalon
And then we can look for the ghost.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, find the friendly lumberjack and see if he's around.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I want to see if they do if they do they talk about the ghost on their website.
Barry Conrad
Surely there's like a bit of a, what if there's like a presentation or if someone says, hey, everyone, welcome, and tells us any stories about them, you know?
Melanie Avalon
It looks like, and they have three different, okay. So there's the grill, okay. So the grill room is like its own room. So I guess you go in there and then there's the rock, which is their inside casual rustic. They would, the original rock walls, oh my goodness. Okay, I love, I have like a thing for original rock walls.
There's this. Really? Yeah, I think it's so cool. When it's like the original walls, it's like, whoa. Cause there's this, there's this restaurant here called Devan, Devan, Devan. I don't even know how you say it. It's right by the symphony. And so we always go, we get drinks before the symphony, or if I'm seeing something at the theater by there, and it's like in this, they call it a castle, but I mean, but it's like the original walls. I just, yeah. Do you know what I'm talking about? I love these.
Barry Conrad
I do know what you're talking about.
Melanie Avalon
Do they have this on Australia? Do they build rock structures in Australia? I can't really see that happening.
Barry Conrad
I do like they do have like cobblestone but like they do have old institutions that like, you know, OG like from, you know, way back in the day and I do like it because you feel the history just feels good, like it feels good to be in those places.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. And it's like, it's like this rock was here then and it's still here. It's kind of like, have you been to Rome?
Barry Conrad
Yes, I love Rome so much for that reason. You feel, you literally feel the history in the air, right?
Melanie Avalon
It's wild like what's wild about Rome is that there's just like ruins everywhere like it's like a city But then there's like oh, this is from The roman empire and it's just like chilling in the street. Yeah
Barry Conrad
you feel like how many people, how many battles, how many things, how many people walk these same streets I'm walking right now, you know?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. And then the Coliseum is just like.
Barry Conrad
Ah, the Coliseum is next level. Overwhelming. It is.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, so that's how we feel about history.
Barry Conrad
We love it. Well, maybe we should try to find something at the Colosseum at some point. I've never actually... I didn't eat there. I don't think there's a... I don't remember there being.
Melanie Avalon
I just remember kind of being like a football stadium, but not.
Barry Conrad
but definitely not.
Melanie Avalon
a drink menu.
Barry Conrad
Beverage and dessert menu, is that the one?
Melanie Avalon
Let's see, this might be a sneak in my wine situation. We'll find out. Let me see, yes, this for me is a sneak in my wine situation.
Barry Conrad
Oh, that's funny. Well, there's non-alcoholic beer with the specialty cocktails. There's white wines, red wines. There's a few things there, no?
Melanie Avalon
uh-huh
Barry Conrad
Not impressed, I'm not convinced.
Melanie Avalon
No? Is there something you see that you like? You could get a cider ready to drink cocktails.
Barry Conrad
I think in a place like this, I kind of almost feel like getting a cider, you know, because it's just, you know, the stone walls and it feels just so like, medieval, you know, that's not a word, guys, but you know, it just feels like old.
Melanie Avalon
Are those spiked ciders? Probably not. No.
Barry Conrad
No, I actually don't like that. No, those, I don't like those.
Melanie Avalon
You could add vodka to the cider or like bourbon. You can make your own drink.
Barry Conrad
Specialty let's see what the specialty co maybe they have a lumberjack cocktail. Let's see do they
Melanie Avalon
I'm sure they do, hopefully, maybe not.
Barry Conrad
Oh, they don't have a friendly lumberjack.
Melanie Avalon
Where is this lumberjack that people speak of?
Barry Conrad
I wonder if there's a photo of what he used to look like or apparently used to look like, surely. Oh, actually, hold on.
There's a grill house, Breeze Martini. You know, I like to try the drink of the place.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. Or yeah. Mm hmm.
Barry Conrad
So I reckon I'll give that a go. Awesome. What about you?
Melanie Avalon
I'm sneaking in my wine, so we're good there. And can I guess what you want for dessert?
Barry Conrad
You can do this two things and I feel like it's these two things. I think pretty, I'm pretty sure was like two shows ago, the same choices.
Melanie Avalon
You're getting whoa, they have something really fun though. Well, if it's the same as last time then you're getting the cheesecake and the chocolate tort
Barry Conrad
You get, yep, so predictable.
Melanie Avalon
You're not gonna get the peanut butter pie.
Barry Conrad
I also want that because that sounds, that's not like something you see. We don't see that on
Melanie Avalon
on a lot of menus. That sounds very like American too.
Barry Conrad
It actually really does. Can I guess what you'd have?
Melanie Avalon
That's what I would want the most, actually. Oh, I just told you, Ophel. Did you hear me, what I said?
Barry Conrad
You'd want that the most.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah.
Barry Conrad
Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
Mian, would you have guessed that?
Barry Conrad
Well, I was just going to say, I'll just have what I like most from the main.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, right, what I actually would get. Oh, right, right, right. Okay, I thought you were thinking like dream, like, oh yeah, what I actually get, you're right. Yeah, I would just get a repeat of what I'm craving more of, what might be like another filet, maybe some more shrimp.
It'll probably be, I find that once I start eating the meat, I really want more, so probably be some sort of steak. Maybe I'll get the wagyu for dessert.
Barry Conrad
What if they're like, ma'am, you've already grilled, but didn't even really grill you meat and now we're closing it down, you have to have something else. What would you do if you couldn't re-grill?
Melanie Avalon
That's fine. The grill's still hot enough. Like, I can go fast. Like, it's still hot enough, I promise. It's fine. It's gonna be even better, actually.
Barry Conrad
That's so funny. You'll be starting with your tongs like, no, just let me grill it. I know.
Melanie Avalon
I like run. Can you picture this scenario? I can, yes, actually.
Barry Conrad
And the peanut butter pie one day, we will attempt to convince you to have one of these delicious desserts from the dessert menu.
Melanie Avalon
I have no fear. I think it's funny because you're so convinced you're gonna convince me, but nope. You have not met my, I am a wall. I am a rock wall like that they built this out of.
Barry Conrad
But if Funfetti came along...
Melanie Avalon
Even less likely to tempt me because I know how much I like it.
Barry Conrad
I totally forgot, I'm really annoyed because I saw something with Final Fantasy recently and I meant to make a note of it and tell you, but I forgot now.
Melanie Avalon
Was it the sourdough that they released? Yeah, Pillsbury's releasing a sourdough funfetti mix. That's intense. I know. I read a review about it.
Barry Conrad
Of course you did.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome. Well, this was so, so fun. Listeners, we hope you enjoyed your time with us. If you have your own questions for the show, please send them to us. We would absolutely love to hear them.
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All right. Well, this was so fun. Anything from you before we go?
Barry Conrad
Thank you so much, listeners, for tuning in once again. We appreciate you so much and we'll catch you next time.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome talk to you next week
Barry Conrad
Talk to you next week. Bye.
Melanie Avalon
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