Welcome to Episode 376 of The Intermittent Fasting Podcast, hosted by Melanie Avalon, author of What When Wine Diet: Lose Weight And Feel Great With Paleo-Style Meals, Intermittent Fasting, And Wine and Vanessa Spina, author of Keto Essentials: 150 Ketogenic Recipes to Revitalize, Heal, and Shed Weight.
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TRANSCRIPT
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Melanie Avalon:
Welcome to Episode 376 of The Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy, and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat with no calorie counting, then this show is for you. I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, author of "What, When, Wine" and creator of the supplement line AvalonX. And I'm here with my co-host, Vanessa Spina, sports nutrition specialist, author of "Keto Essentials" and creator of the Tone Breath Ketone Analyzer and Tone Lux Red Light Therapy Panels. For more on us, check out ifpodcast.com, melanieavalon.com, and ketogenicgirl.com. Please remember, the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment. To be featured on the show, email us your questions to questions@ifpodcast.com. We would love to hear from you. So pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine, if it's that time, and get ready for The Intermittent Fasting Podcast.
Melanie Avalon:
Hi, everybody, and welcome. This is episode number 376 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon, and I am here today with a very, very special guest, a repeat guest, Scott Emmons. How many times have you been on this show? Do you know?
Scott Emmens:
Wow, welcome. Thanks, Melanie. Thank you for the warm welcome. I think I think I've been on this show. This might be my sixth time.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh wow, so you're basically like just another co -host of the show.
Scott Emmens:
Almost. Ten more shows and I'll maybe reach that status.
Melanie Avalon:
Honorary oh we could give you like an honorary you know how like colleges give like honorary degrees
Scott Emmens:
Yes, can I get an honorary ifpodcasting degree?
Melanie Avalon:
An honorary I have podcast co -host.
Scott Emmens:
Love it. Sign me up. How many episodes do I have to do? 15 total. Done. Okay. I love this podcast. I love the people. I love the podcast.
Melanie Avalon:
I do too. It's a fun place to be and it's changed so much over the years and yeah, I'm very grateful for it. And I'm really excited about today's conversation because I feel like this is a long time coming.
Scott Emmens:
Oh, it's a long time coming.
Melanie Avalon:
This is a long time coming, friends. I know you guys have been really eagerly awaiting and asking questions about when I was going to launch my spirulina supplement, also chlorella, we can touch on that briefly. And it's finally here, actually. So when this airs, obviously we're recording this in the past now for listeners, but so hopefully when this airs in theory, you should be able to buy my new AvalonX spirulina supplement and there should be an awesome launch special going on. So now is the time, we did it. And we just wanted to take a moment to A, tell you guys the crazy story leading up to it, why we decided to make this supplement and also just update, I think listeners a little bit in general about the supplement world and everything that we've been doing together and all the things to come. So how does that sound?
Scott Emmens:
Yeah, there's so much I think we have to cover about all the different things we've been doing behind the scenes and this product, I think, Melanie, it's almost a year in in production.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, it's been a long time. And what's really exciting, because I know, Scott, you listened to this show, right? Correct. Okay, so I think right now, like while you and I are recording, I think the episode that is playing this week with Vanessa and I, I think we talked a lot about spirulina because unbeknownst to me, Vanessa's low -key obsessed with it as well, like unrelated to me.
Scott Emmens:
Loking you obsessed with spirulina.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah. And then so we went on just a tangent because, and we can go on this tangent ourselves as well as to like how overwhelmingly mind -blowing, amazing it sort of is. It's so cute. So she gives it to her son, like, so she was having to take a, you might've listened to this, but she's, she was having to take a lot of different vitamins and supplements related to her pregnancy. And her son, Luca, who is like a wee little child, there was like vitamins or pills being taken and her son Luca really wanted to take some. So she gives him spirulina at night and they call that his medicine. So he feels like he gets to take medicine too.
Scott Emmens:
He's part of the supplement crowd. He gets to take his own supplements. He's a big boy now. I love it.
Melanie Avalon:
Yes, yes. But what's really my willing friends. Okay, so true story. We can backtrack. I guess we could actually first say how I came to spirulina and what spirulina actually is. Is that a good idea?
Scott Emmens:
I think that's perfect.
Melanie Avalon:
Okay, spirulina and chlorella, they're both blue -green algaes and they are overwhelmingly abundant in nutrients to a, honestly, to a shocking degree. My like moment story about that is when we were working on the label, I asked if we could put a more detailed breakdown of the nutrient facts on the label. And then, so I like pulled up the nutrients and I literally couldn't believe it. Like I was reading them and I was like, is this right? Like, does it really have this much of all of these different nutrients? And it does. So it's what's really, really amazing about it is that it is a straight up whole foods vegan form way to get all of these nutrients in their most bioactive, bioavailable form because you're not getting them synthetic, you're not getting them in a pill. It's just real whole food that just has this overwhelming array of nutrients, which I can go into. And I can tell about how I first found it, but when did you first come across them?
Scott Emmens:
I think I first heard about spirulina probably going on almost 10 years. It's probably been 2015 at the earliest, but definitely by 16 I was on the spirulina bandwagon. I had always known about chlorophyll and the benefits of certain greens, but spirulina came into my world. I want to say I was listening to a podcast, a biohacking podcast in 2016, and I remember ordering it right around that time. It was 2016, I think at the latest. So I want to say it's been like eight solid years I've been taking spirulina.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, that's crazy. I think for me, similar, I first came across it probably around like 20, actually, yeah, very similar, like 2014, 2015. I was first interested more in chlorella for its detox potential, for how it chelates toxins in the body. And then it got really confusing because there's the whole chlorella spirulina debate. And then there's all these concerns about purity. And so I kind of like flirted with it in the past. And then a couple of years ago, probably now I had Catherine Arnston on my biohacking podcast, she has a company called energy bits, they make a really wonderful chlorella and a spirulina and a blend. She is, this is like her thing, like she's so passionate about it. And having her on the show, I really helped me dive deep and learn everything there was to know. And I was like, this is so amazing. Like I want to make my own someday. And side note, I actually I recently got back from the biohacking conference in Dallas, Dave Asprey's conference, I highly recommend friends, but I will stop myself from going on too much of a tangent. But if you want to like learn about all the biohacking things and meet all the brands and see all the products and, you know, go to lots of in person real life talks with, you know, a lot of guests I've had on my show that the biohacking conference is the way to be I am definitely going next year. It's gonna be an Austin Scott, are you gonna come?
Scott Emmens:
I'm 100% going to be there. It is definitely, if you're a biohacking nerd, it's the place to be.
Melanie Avalon:
You have to come, Scott. I wanted you to come this year.
Scott Emmens:
I know this year was a tough year for me, but next year, 100%, I'm in. Are you going to dress up for the dance? I don't know about the dance, but...
Melanie Avalon:
but i'll be there okay this year it was a space cowboy dance would you have dressed up for that
Scott Emmens:
Oh yeah, space cowboy, come on, that's two of my favorite things, space and cowboys, I love that.
Melanie Avalon:
Okay, so it's like theme pending as to whether or not you will dress up.
Scott Emmens:
Correct. Right theme, I'm in.
Melanie Avalon:
Okay, if it's not the right theme for me, I just make it the right theme.
Scott Emmens:
I could try, I could try.
Melanie Avalon:
you know, I like find the tangential outfit that embodies what I would like to wear.
Scott Emmens:
Yeah, but that's you. Like you're, you're really good at that. Like you can sort of, you know, ad lib your way into creating all kinds of unique things. I think I'm going to need a pretty firm, good theme to really get me get my juices going.
Melanie Avalon:
I'll help you out.
Scott Emmens:
All right. Deal. Okay.
Melanie Avalon:
So oh, that was a supplement. Okay, wait, sorry not to go on like on a tangent But right before the the space cowboy a cowgirl dance when you were like walking in they gave us all a supplement Do you want to guess what it was?
Scott Emmens:
Walking into this space cowboy dance?
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, so like you're okay, so let me give you like the setup like you're walking into the dance and they like hand you this packet and they're like, we're all going to take this together at this time. And I can give you a hint.
Scott Emmens:
I'm going to guess element.
Melanie Avalon:
No.
Scott Emmens:
All right, so then, what could it be?
Melanie Avalon:
can give you a hint.
Scott Emmens:
Yeah, give me a small hint though
Melanie Avalon:
After we all took it, not only could we maybe tell like energy -wise, you could tell looking at people that they took it.
Scott Emmens:
Could it have been an edible of some kind of CBD?
Melanie Avalon:
No, you could physically tell.
Scott Emmens:
Ah, methylene blue to pep you up. Yes. Yeah, blue tongues.
Melanie Avalon:
Blue tongues. And what's weird is it was like you swallowed it and still blue tongues, you know, like it wasn't like we took a liquid like we swallowed a pill and yet blue tongues all around.
Scott Emmens:
So I wouldn't have expected the blue tongue with swallowing it, but it I mean, it's powerful. I I'd take like a drop from time to time and put it you know, just squirt like a drop in my mouth mixed with water and my peel be green or bluish green like two hours later.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh yeah, I forgot, I totally forgot I took it and then when I went to the ration later, I was like, whoa.
Scott Emmens:
Yeah, I mean, it comes out.
Melanie Avalon:
It comes out like glue.
Scott Emmens:
Yeah, it's like a bluish green, like it looks like pool water.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, uh -huh.
Scott Emmens:
It does give you a lot of energy though, doesn't it?
Melanie Avalon:
I was like, I actually want to start integrating this into my routine. And what's ironic is you and I might've talked about this before. I was taking that like way back in the day, like when it was not a thing, like you had to get the fish, the fish tank stuff.
Scott Emmens:
I buy the pharmaceutical laboratory stuff, so it's supposed to be lab only, but I take it anyway.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, I kind of want to, wait, maybe we should make one.
Scott Emmens:
Technically, methylene blue is not a supplement. Yeah, it's one of those fringe supplements. Although that's why if you go on Amazon, it's all lab results for cell culture dying, but they don't sell it to actually take. The only place you can get it is individual websites, and I don't know how long they're going to be around.
Melanie Avalon:
Gotcha. Okay. Well, boom, boom, guess not.
Scott Emmens:
There was a company that was making those truckies, remember that? And they had to stop advertising on the podcast because the FDA was cracking down on them. Yeah, but I'm a big fan, big fan. I mean, I don't know why Methylene Blue is so... why they're so opposed to Methylene Blue being on the market, but I think Methylene Blue was the first FDA approved drug. You know what it was originally used for? Not, I shouldn't say, not its only original use. So one of its original uses was for dyeing blue jeans, like the original 501 blue jeans that used Methylene Blue to dye it.
Melanie Avalon:
That is crazy. And I just asked chat GPT and it confirmed. Yes. The first drug approved by the FDA. That's crazy.
Scott Emmens:
Isn't that crazy? How about that? How about we hold on to that factoid for like 10 years to use it today?
Melanie Avalon:
I know, I know. Wow. Okay. Yep. Well, in any case, yeah, staining agent. So how do we get on the, oh, right. The biohacking conference.
Scott Emmens:
The biohecky conference, yes.
Melanie Avalon:
I hope my code still works. Hopefully it's live already, but the code BC, Melanie, that was the code last year to get you a discount. So maybe it's a discount now. I will circle back on that. Point being back to spirulina. Oh, that's why it came up because I met Catherine again in person at this year's conference. And she had her energy bets booth. And it was really great to connect with her and talk about all the awesome benefits of spirulina and chlorella and made me even more further pumped about hours. So circling back to the benefits, OK, friends, prepare yourself. So spirulina, for example, like I said, it's a blue -green algae. It's actually, granted, you're taking a small serving size. So it's not like you're going to have this as your protein intake, but it's very high in protein. So a serving size would be 30 tablets. We are making the tablets because when it's in powder form, it just gets everywhere. So for example, so 30 tablets protein -wise has 4 grams of protein. And that is a complete vegan protein, which is rare in the vegetable, vegan, non -animal world, non -carnival world. And then for example, so hours, 30 tablets, you get, by taking this, you get 100% of your vitamin K, 100%. And vitamin K is difficult to get.
Scott Emmens:
Not easy to get.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, it's like one of those nutrients that's super important and not in that many things and high amounts. You get, are you ready friends? 625% of your vitamin B12. This is huge, especially people on plant -based diets are often can be deficient in B12 because typically it's normally found in animal products. So with spirulina, you can just wave right past that. Not only get your full day's worth, but get 625% worth.
Scott Emmens:
That's really huge, Melanie, because there are so many vegan diets or vegan products that the whole foods that don't have vitamin B12, really, it's mostly meat products you have to get B12 from. To me, that's a huge advantage for the vegan population. If they're looking for a way to get solid protein and solid B12 consumption, it's perfect.
Melanie Avalon:
Honestly, like if you're vegan, this should be required, like you should just like have to have this. And then also in general, I'll circle back to that. So for the other B vitamins, so it has 27% of your B2 and then it has smaller amounts of the other ones, like 3% of your B1, 3% of your B6 and 6% of your B3, your niacin. This one is huge. Iron. And I think chlorella is actually higher in iron than spirulina, but for spirulina, iron 53% of your iron.
Scott Emmens:
That's a lot iron.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, I know I personally, actually, I hadn't thought about this, but because I have a history of anemia, really bad anemia, really, really bad. I wonder if it correlates. I haven't had to do anything to address it in the past few years, and that's probably when I started regularly taking spirulina. I wonder if there's a correlation there, so that's awesome. Has 8% of your magnesium, friends, you know that we are big magnesium fans around here. It's got 86% of your chromium, and then it has like trace amounts of other things like 8% of your selenium, 2% of your zinc, 5% of your phosphorus, then what's super cool beyond that is not only does it have these typical nutrients that you might think of, it also has very unique phytonutrients and things you might not expect. For example, it actually has glutathione in it, which is very cool. Has chlorophyll, which we were talking about earlier, which is a side note, also if you struggle with anemia or iron deficiency, chlorophyll, I learned this when I interviewed Terri Cochran on the Biohacking Podcast, so we can put a link to that in the show notes, but she talks a lot about the role of chlorophyll for actually boosting iron levels, which is really, really interesting. And chlorophyll is great for detox, energy, skin, nice breath. I used to take it, man, forever ago, I used to take just straight chlorophyll as like a breath freshener. It also has, this one is super cool, it has superoxide dismutase in it, which is something you normally hear about not as like a supplement or a food. It's a compound in your body that really helps combat oxidative stress, and you can literally get that from spirulina. It has zeosanthan, which is a really potent antioxidant.
Scott Emmens:
Great for your eyes.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh, yes. Yes. Very true. Something else really great. It has DHA, which is a great essential fatty acid in the omega -3 category, and it has GLA, which is actually in the omega -6 category, but it has a lot of beneficial effects. It doesn't have the typical inflammatory omega -6 effects that we think of. It also has trace minerals that you might have heard of like molybdenum, boron, it has some calcium. I'm going to stop now because this just sounds like a really long list, but it's just kind of overwhelming.
Scott Emmens:
One other thing I just want to touch on, Melanie, although it's very low in carbohydrates, the carbohydrates that it does contain can include glycerol, sorbitol, mannitol, and myonositol. And as you know, I'm sort of obsessed with osmolites. And glycerol, sorbitol, and myonositol all act as osmolites, which are really hydrating for your cells. They help your cells create the proper hydration intercellularly. So, this is a great way to keep your hydration up as well because of those unique carbohydrates that are called osmolites, which work to pull in electrolytes into the cell and fluid into the cell.
Melanie Avalon:
I do not know that. It's very cool. Like honestly, ever since I was exposed to it and have learned more and more, we talk so often about nutrient deficiencies today. And we know that our soils are really depleted. And so the food we're actually eating from the soils with produce and then conventional agriculture, all of the issues there, we're just not getting the nutrients that we used to get historically. And nutrients are just so, so key for so many metabolic processes in our body. And even people trying to lose weight and such, a lot of that is often due to just not getting the nutrition that your body needs. For example, I found it really interesting. I was reading a study recently in whose book was it? I'm prepping right now for two interviews. I'm prepping for Casey Means, who is the founder of Levels that makes the CGM and then Dr. Michael Greger, who is, you're familiar with Dr. Greger, right Scott?
Scott Emmens:
I know the name, I don't know, I can't place the specialty.
Melanie Avalon:
He's like the vegan of vegans of vegans. He wrote how not to die, how not to age, how not to die.
Scott Emmens:
Yep, I know you're talking about the vegan.
Melanie Avalon:
In any case, in one of those books, I'm trying to remember which one it was, they were talking about a study where basically people were put on either, basically they could eat a whole foods diet or a processed diet and it was pretty controlled. What was so interesting, I think it was Kevin Hall, it was Dr. Casey Means' book. I think it was a four -week study. They did two weeks in one arm, two weeks in the other arm. The first two weeks was basically processed foods and then the second two weeks was whole foods. They found that when people ate the processed food diet, they ate way more calories and they were way hungrier the whole time and they were gaining weight. Then they flip it, they eat whole foods, they ate way less calories, yet they were much fuller and they lost weight. The reason I'm talking about this, I just think it's so, so important, is that hunger, satiety, cravings, they're not about not having ample energy in general. They can be, but in general, especially in our processed food environment today, they're not about you actually need more food. They're often about you're not getting the nutrients that you need. Adding something like spirulina to your meals or you could put in smoothies, you could swallow it whole if you want. Oh, we can circle back to the taste of ours. That is such a way to really quickly and easily get those nutrients that your body is craving. That can be so, so important and so key for combating cravings, hunger, and supporting weight loss, which I think is amazing.
Scott Emmens:
Absolutely. I mean, satiety is so closely linked, I think, to the actual amount of nutrients your body is taking in, whether that's macro or micronutrients. I mean, you know, you can tell if you sit down and eat a bunch of sweet potatoes, try to eat three sweet potatoes plus two bowls of broccoli, you're gonna have a hard time getting three sweet potatoes and two bowls of broccoli down. So you're gonna be very satiated, but you're getting a ton of nutrients and a ton of macro and micronutrients in there, which really, you know, crushes that satiety. And I think spirulina has the ability to do the same thing with a very low caloric intake, you're getting so much nutrition and so many nutrients, micro and macro.
Melanie Avalon:
It's so so true and you know because people especially with intermittent fasting sometimes if they're not adapting or they're struggling with cravings or they feel like they're white knuckling it there I mean there are a lot of different approaches that you can take to really help that you know we love like clean fasting and you know not having artificially flavored sweeteners during the fast and just having you know water and black coffee but really addressing what you're eating in your eating window I think is so so huge for how you ultimately are going to feel while you fast and so making sure that it's nutrient rich with something like spirulina is just a really incredible pathway that the people can go oh yeah speaking of the taste so I guess we could go through the process of Scott of developing our spirulina
Scott Emmens:
Wow, it was a very lengthy process, including the sourcing, where we were going to source it from. That took some doing because we wanted to have all of that with a C of A, we wanted to have that FDA approved, and then we wanted to do our own testing on that product to ensure that it met all of the marks of the COA and better, and to ensure that all of the heavy metals and contaminants were below all the thresholds significantly. So I think just sourcing it, I think, took several months.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, and I just want to say props to you. I'm just so grateful for everything that you do with, you know, looking for sources and betting and it's really incredible. I'm really, really grateful. And, and so when we actually, so we finally found a source that we love and friends, I'm so excited because I, I was doing a lot of research on the company that makes our spirulina. So it's in beautiful pristine waters of Hawaii. I'm blown away by their sustainability practices. It's incredible. They do a lot with their water usage, their electricity, like everything they do is just really, really sustainable for the planet. And then they have incredible practices in place to grow this really healthy, nutritious spirulina free of pesticides, toxins, things like that. I know a lot of people look, for example, for the USDA organic certification, which I have learned a lot about that certification. And I will say in general, I think it's great because it's, you know, it lets people at the grocery store find things where there is at least a, they know that certain things are being followed when it comes to toxins and, you know, all the problems with conventional food and produce and supplements and things like that. All of that said, there's a few different caveats. One is that, well, A, being organic doesn't mandate that something is actually sustainable or regenerative for the planet. And B, companies can be, and this goes with all food, companies can be doing practices that would meet criteria for organic standards and beyond that, but they just don't actually have the certification. So that's why for me personally, when looking at food choices, when making supplements, for me, it's really important to find the source and really look into what is that company actually doing, whether or not they have an organic certification. So, for example, our spirulina does not have a USDA organic certification. And I feel completely fine about it because of all the testing that we've done and research.
Scott Emmens:
Well, Melanie, I think it's important that we discuss the process of GMP certification and the process MD logic goes through with our co -brands and in particular, all the products that we've made with Avalonix and Spearline is no exception. You know, as you recall with Burberry, we went through extensive testing from five different suppliers of raw ingredient and Burberry until we found the one that met all of our specifications. And I think that's maybe even an overlooked step. But all of the steps in the MD logic, you know, quality assurance process are really, really important. We are a GMP certified facility, US manufactured only. And we take that very seriously. So the first step that we do is we identify an active ingredient or supplier of that active ingredient, in this case, Spearline. And then we make certain that they are an FDA certified active ingredient supplier that also provides a certificate of authenticity or a COA. Now this includes detailed information about the composition, concentration of the ingredients, as well as ensuring that it's free of heavy metals, bacteria, and other contaminants. So once we've got the COA FDA approved facility or multiple, we then test that ingredient to make sure that the C of A meets the specifications that we come up with in the laboratory analysis. Now that's not always done. So the very first thing that we do is test the raw ingredient from these manufacturers. And we do a blind test in batches. In other words, we don't say tell them, hey, we're going to test your product and send us a sample. We just do a blind batch test. So it's, you know, a real life scenario. Basically, the ingredient that we're getting is the ingredient that we're testing. These initial tests take place on the ingredient level, meaning we're not just testing the finished product. We're actually testing every ingredient that's going to be in that formula and every ingredient that walks the door. Before we even let it into the facility, we test the product in quarantine to prevent any cross -contamination. We've tested for identity, which confirms that the ingredient that they say it is is in fact the actual ingredient. And that's typically performed through some kind of chromatography or spectrometry test in a lab. So these are lab certified tests. Then we test for the purity. So we want to make sure that this product is as pure as possible, meaning heavy metals, microbial content, other toxins, molds, and sometimes it will also test for pesticide residues. Then we're going to test the potency. This measures like the active ingredient and the strength and concentration, ensuring that each batch and each batch of that ingredient we get has the correct potency, meaning it has all of the nutrients and the concentration that it's supposed to have for that particular ingredient, in this case, again, spirulina. And then finally, what is the composition of that? So we want to make sure that the proportions of all the ingredients are aligned. So in this case, really, it's just spirulina, along with a tiny bit of silica. but really it's 99 .9% spirulina. So the composition testing, let's say for a more complex product that has seven or eight ingredients in it, you're gonna test to make sure that all of the ratios and all of the products that were put into that formula are in fact what we say is in it. So that's really the last step. Then there is the stability testing, which makes sure that the product is going to remain stable in various temperatures and environmental settings for at least two years. So once the stability test is done, that's the very, very final test, but all of these tests, the identity, purity, potency, and strength of the product are all tested at the ingredient level. Then we do additional tests for composite or composition and stability with the final product. We also repeat all of the initial tests again on the final product. So that's identity, purity, and potency are all repeated on the final product to make sure that during manufacturing, nothing went wrong and that it's as pure as it was when we first got the ingredient. So it's really a dual laboratory test. So that is in essence, what GMP manufacturing testing looks like. There are also several other things if you're a GMP facility that you're going to be tasked with and that's a quality management system, which has a robust process to make sure that all of the procedures are being followed. You have personal training and hygiene requirements that are audited by the FDA. And in fact, it is the FDA that monitors and certifies GMP facilities. You have facility equipment validation, meaning the equipment has to be validated to make sure that it measures things properly, that they're cleaned properly, they're installed properly, and they're performing properly. You've got raw material audits, which is what we just discussed, all those different testing for identity, purity, potency, and composition. And then you have production and process control testing, as well as QC and some other documents. So there is, if you are a GMP facility, you are under FDA guidance and FDA regulation. As long as you're following those GMP procedures, you're going to get a decent quality product. But again, we kind of go that step above to make sure that we only deal with USFDA certified facilities for active ingredient. We only take companies that provide a COA. We only take those COAs that meet our specifications, and then we test all of those parameters to make sure that the C of A specifications we come up with in the laboratory are either at or better than what the certificate authenticity suggests that it has. So the quality of the spirulina is undoubtedly fantastic. And I really love the company we've gone with. It is a Hawaiian -based, so it's a US -based, Hawaii -based spirulina. So this product from beginning to end is a USA -made, USA -grown product. And I feel really good about the way the company has sustainable practices for spirulina. They've been in business for close to 40 years. They are one of the pioneers in spirulina, and they really have a passion to help educate the community and the world about what spirulina can do and the power and benefit of it. And they're continually giving back to the community of spirulina and sort of the health and wellness community at large. So love the company, love the spirulina, and it passed with flying colors through our very rigorous GMP certification for purity, potency, and identity. I hope that helps the listeners.
Melanie Avalon:
I always wait with bated breath when we're third -party testing it, because I'm like, what if it's new? Especially with this one we've been taking so long. We finally found it, but yes, it got a clean pass. Clean bill of health. Yeah. And I'm just going to say, I think it tastes... I really like the way it tastes, because I know some people don't like the taste of spirulina and or chlorella. This one is... And I've tried a lot of different spirulinas in my life. This is honestly the best tasting spirulina that I have tried, hands down. I love it.
Scott Emmens:
Agreed.
Melanie Avalon:
my sister agreed to. We sat there, we were like trying different ones. Speaking of, another reason that it took so long, friends, is because we went through a lot of iterations trying to get the tablet structure down. And that's because I've seen brands on the market that claim to be one ingredient only. And you guys know me, I'm all about, I love single ingredients and looking at the fillers and I'm just a little bit neurotic about that. And Scott, I feel so bad for you and Oscar and everybody. The team. Because basically, they kept sending me samples of spirulina made with different fillers and even one made without any fillers. And I was so neurotic, I was like, we have to have no fillers because it's possible because I see it out there. And you guys kept telling me it's not possible. You kept saying it's literally not possible. We can't make it in this travelable tablet that won't be shutting everywhere if there's not something in there. And I was like, it is possible because I have it from other brands. And we had a bet going. You guys were like, we're going to test these other brands and see what's actually happening. And you guys were right. So long story short, if a supplement or is it supplements and food products? Basically, if an ingredient in the product is below a certain threshold, like so minimal, you don't actually have to have it on the label. So that's what's happening often.
Scott Emmens:
Yeah. We're not making any claim that it's always happening, but more times than not, it has to be below a certain threshold and then it qualifies as a single ingredient.
Melanie Avalon:
Yes. So that explains the mystery of why I thought it was possible to have a single ingredient spirulina, yet you guys were telling me it wasn't really possible. So once I accepted reality that it had to have another ingredient, it was actually really good timing because around this time, because you guys were proposing that we put in like a teeny tiny bit of silica into it. And around this time, I actually was prepping to do an interview all on, well, not completely on silica, but it was with a company called All Queen Springs. Oh, don't even get me started on that because Scott, I'm obsessed with their water. I'm so obsessed. It's like the most amazing water ever.
Scott Emmens:
more than the deuterium depleted water?
Melanie Avalon:
Here's the thing about it. I was drinking deuterium depleted water. Theirs is naturally deuterium depleted. The water I was drinking before was distilled to be deuterium depleted, so super low deuterium, which is awesome, which is super amazing. It's great. It's very expensive. Their water is naturally low in deuterium, so it's way lower than most water people would be drinking. It comes from this Aquine Springs. I forgot where it is. It's in the US. It's straight from the underground. It never touches anything else. They immediately bottle it and you buy it, and it's really, really high in silica, as well as other nutrients. My sister and I, the other day, we did a water taste test, a blind taste test. It's crazy how different this water tastes. I can guarantee you they could do a blind taste test and they would taste the difference, and it just makes you feel so good. Side note, I learned all about the benefits of silica, prepping for that. I went from being like, I don't want any silica to, oh my goodness, maybe I should actually be taking silica as a supplement.
Scott Emmens:
I mean, silica is miraculous and it's great for skin health, it's great for joint health, it's wonderful for hair, skin and nails. So silica is one of those things that if you're going to use a filler or you're going to use a product to help enhance another product, silica is one of the best things you can use.
Melanie Avalon:
So it's ironic because on the one hand I want to be like, take this spirulina, it has silica, all these benefits. At the same time, it's like such a tiny amount of silica that I don't know how many benefits you're actually getting from the actual silica, but at the very least it's completely benign. It's not one ingredient, but it's almost one ingredient. If anything, the other ingredient has health benefits to it. So yeah, once we landed on the formulation, and then we had the whole journey with the label.
Scott Emmens:
We had the label journey. That was fun. That was another couple of months. I think I think it came out fantastic though. I love it
Melanie Avalon:
So this is how supplement business calls pretty much go down with me. We had a meeting, I had like an idea in my head of what I wanted the label to be and I was looking at all these different pictures of like Hawaii and flowers and I found this picture of a mermaid that just embodied everything I wanted, like the vibe of it, the colors, like all the things. And so we were having a design meeting and I had it up and I was saying like, this is what I'm thinking, like this vibe. And like in my head, but prior to that, I was like, maybe we could actually have the mermaid on the cover, but then I was like, we can't have the mermaid on the cover, like who are you kidding? And so we're having the meeting with like the whole team and who was it? I think somebody, I mean, somebody made a joke about like, I think you did, I think you were like, maybe we could just use the mermaid. And I was like, ha ha, wait, but really can we? And Scott and I, Scott and I were the only ones really that were team mermaid. The entire rest of the team was not so much the team mermaid.
Scott Emmens:
I think they liked the mermaid. I think it just from a design aspect that created certain problems, especially trying to get all the information on the label and still keep the mermaid in in the label. So I agree. I think the mermaid embodies the the brand and the essence of purity. I think people love that. But I think it was just a difficulty level, which we pulled off. But I think that's what people were more afraid of.
Melanie Avalon:
Well, I remember we were having the call and you were like, I was like, well, can we have the mermaid? And you were like, well, Starbucks has a mermaid or sorry. Don't they, is it a mermaid or it's like a goddess.
Scott Emmens:
It is a mermaid, technically, though. Is it a mermaid? I think so. Mermaid, or what's the other... What do they call... What else do they call mermaids? They call them... There's another name for mermaids that's more like...
Melanie Avalon:
Is there another name for a mermaid?
Scott Emmens:
The sirens siren is the other name i think it might be referred to that as the siren but i think it's a goddess of some kind on that on the starbucks label.
Melanie Avalon:
I will just never forget that moment because I remember I personally wanted to fight for the mermaid, and I think you were feeling the mermaid, but we weren't sure how much of each other we were into it or not. So you were trying to feel me out, and Scott kept bringing it back to the mermaid to kind of see if we could go that route, and the rest of the team was a little bit hesitant. But it ultimately manifested. Her name is Essence, speaking of. I'm excited. The packaging is like everything I could want. I'm really excited to see what people think, you know, which way they go.
Scott Emmens:
Yeah, I think I mean, the design team, I think pulled it off. I think it came out spectacular. And I think they're really thrilled with it, too. So it's a win -win across the board. I did look up Starbucks real quick because I was so curious. It is the image of a two -tailed siren. And it's a mythical creature combined with it's a mermaid and a serpent combined. So Starbucks is not quite a mermaid, but close. A mermaid and a serpent? It says a two -tailed siren, two -tailed siren wearing a star star crown. So it's a two -tailed siren. That's all I got.
Melanie Avalon:
I should be that for Halloween someday. It'll be a good costume.
Scott Emmens:
Well, now that you've created a logo with a mermaid, you probably should be a mermaid.
Melanie Avalon:
I know, I was thinking, I was like, I could dress up as my mascot. Oh my goodness. So yes, so friends, you have to let me know what you think of the packaging. And I plan to, so because people have been asking, you know, are we going to make a chlorella as well or a blend, we do plan to do both of those.
Scott Emmens:
Correct. I think Chlorella is the next up, I believe.
Melanie Avalon:
Yes, I'm really excited about that. So friends, if you would like to get spirulina in your life, here's why you should stock up now. So it was really, really important to me to make it as affordable as possible. Some of the spirulina, chlorella and such on the market can be a little bit, there's a bit of a barrier there with pricing. So we did all that we could do to make it as affordable as possible. And during the launch, it's going to be 20% off, which is crazy and amazing, which the launch is going on right now. So basically right now stock up, we're thinking it's probably going to be just 20% off on the website, probably no code needed. If there is a code I will have and we'll be announcing it on my email list and with text updates. So make sure you are on those lists and getting those updates. So for the email list, it's avalonx.us/email list. For the text updates, you text avalonx, that's A -V -A -L -O -N -X, just one word, just type that I get so many different things, text it to that number and it only subscribes to you and sends you the code if it is that word avalonx. So text that to 877 -861 -8318. That's avalonx to 877 -861 -8318. Doing that in the email list. If there is a code, you'll get it. If not, it will just be on the website at avalonx .us. And I am so excited because I need this in my life currently right now. And I have been for a while now. I have spirulina every single night. I just have it with my food. It's like a non -negotiable. I'm really excited to be taking my own.
Scott Emmens:
Melanie i'm going to surprise you with some good news because it is being shipped to the warehouse for shipping tomorrow so it's ahead of schedule.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh my goodness. So I get my sample soon.
Scott Emmens:
you're going to get your sample bags in very short order.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh my goodness, I'm so excited, I am so excited. Okay, that's amazing.
Scott Emmens:
That's hot off the press. Live, shocking Melanie moment.
Melanie Avalon:
Yes, I love it. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Scott, because it's been a long time coming, and I know also I was really pressing to have an earlier launch, so thank you for everything that you've done.
Scott Emmens:
My pleasure. This is a product I'm super proud to have helped you make and proud to put this on the market. I cannot wait to see the feedback and start to try it myself.
Melanie Avalon:
I just think it's so interesting how, and I'm sounding like a broken record, so maybe I'll, you know, kind of end it with this, but we think we need to be taking like multivitamins and you know, all these people are always looking for these pills to fill in these nutritional gaps and there's something in your own backyard or in your own back ocean, literally creating all of that and you know, like I said, a whole foods form with way more other things to boot. And so yeah, I just, I'm really, really excited. I don't like to term like superfood because I think it's really misleading because I think there's just lots of really great foods and there's no one food that will, you know, save you or pave the pathway to longevity and the fountain of youth. If I had to pick a superfood, honestly, it probably would be spirulina and or chlorella.
Scott Emmens:
I'm looking at an article from the National Library of Medicine. It's an abstract titled, Wide Range of Applications of Spirulina from Earth to Space Missions. And they actually quote it as the world's first superfood. Oh. Yes. And then in this article, they also specifically point out that spirulina, I'm quoting now from the article, spirulina has been known since ancient times as a superfood. Aztecs collected it from the Alkaline Lake, Mexico as an integral part of their diet. So this has been being eaten by the Aztecs as part of their nutritional supplementation in their diet.
Melanie Avalon:
And didn't they use it on the space station? Am I making that up?
Scott Emmens:
I know for certain it's been used by NASA. I don't know specifically the space, the International Space Station, but for sure NASA used it. They were looking at it specifically as a source, not only for the short -term missions, but also a long -term source of nutrition for trips to Mars. So it could be that Elon Musk is actually testing how to grow it in space.
Melanie Avalon:
That's amazing what he is.
Scott Emmens:
I said it could be I don't know it is listed in here in this article they do talk about it being the perfect food for interstellar space travel because it can be grown in very small tanks for a small crew and to our discussion point has so many nutritional and medicinal values so it's a it's a perfect product to take into space because of its significant nutrition program.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, that's amazing. I'm reading about it here too now, like how they're talking about how it's just such a perfect food and supplement for astronauts because like you said, they get all this nutrition in a really small form and it's easy to grow in small, small controlled environments with minimal resources. So awesome, awesome. Which speaking of space, do you see where I'm going with this? I do. So this episode actually airs July 1st. So sometime around this time, Scott and I are still deciding. We are launching my third podcast, Scott's first podcast. Yeah.
Scott Emmens:
First, another one to come, yes.
Melanie Avalon:
Yes, which we will circle back to Scott and I are launching a podcast together and friends. I'm just smiling right now because I'm so excited. So it's it's my first non health and wellness related podcast, although I'm sure some episodes will involve health and wellness, but we are just having the time of our lives recording the show. It's called the mind blown podcast and every single episode we talk about mind blowing stuff like mind blowing stuff.
Scott Emmens:
And our first episode, I think, is a two -parter if memory serves and it's a killer episode. The topic is the Mandela Effect, but we take a very deep dive into certain dates and times that I don't think you've heard before, even if you know what the Mandela Effect is, you're going to love that first episode. Super fun.
Melanie Avalon:
Yes. So teaser about that. So the first episode, like Scott said, we just go through basically what the Mandela effect is. And for people who are not familiar, there's a lot of things out there in the world that people remember swear up and down used to be different and apparently have changed now.
Scott Emmens:
Like example would be Chick -fil -A's, how is it spelled? Some people remember C -H -I -C, some people remember C -H -I -C -K.
Melanie Avalon:
So right now it's chick like CHICK. Some people remember like Scott said CHIC or a lot of people remember CHIC.
Scott Emmens:
And then the filet, some people remember it as F -L -F -I -L -E -T, and some people remember it as F -I -L -A. People remember it that way? I think so. Maybe I'm getting my Mandela effects cross -contaminated, but I thought that was the whole thing, that some people got the chick part wrong, some people got the filet part wrong, some people got both parts wrong. Or mixed up, I should say. They swear it was the one way, and it's been changed to a new way.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, I'm not sure about the fillet part. I'm sure some people do. I think that the main ones are the CHIC or the CHIK. So that's one. Some of the other really big ones, Berenstein Bears. People remember it being spelled Berenstein, like S -T -E -I -N. And now it's stain.
Scott Emmens:
I would've sworn on my grave it was steam, not stain.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah. And there's so many of these. One of the ones I recently saw that came to me was, I used to think that Rearview Mirror said objects in mirror may be closer than they appear, but it says objects in mirror are closer than they appear. That one really bothered me because I remember reading that sentence and being confused about what it meant.
Scott Emmens:
Right, because the may doesn't make sense. Well, it either is closer or isn't closer.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, like, what does that mean? It may be closer. So yeah, so listen to Episode One for just all the different ones and basically the history of when this was first discovered, which is around 2009, I think.
Scott Emmens:
Correct, yep, that's what we found out.
Melanie Avalon:
For part two, we talk about a crazy theory that we have. I don't think it's that crazy, actually. We had a mind blown moment where we had an epiphany about the dates surrounding a lot of these. So, oh, Fruit of the Loom.
Scott Emmens:
Yes.
Melanie Avalon:
There is if you remember cornucopia and the fruit of the land there is no cornucopia i want the first way i found the bendel effect was tinkerbell dotting the i so if you remember tinkerbell. And the disney logo dotting the i that didn't happen which is. Discontinued.
Scott Emmens:
I could have sworn I think of all the ones we covered her dotting the little eye with her with her wand I mean, I remember watching that on TV. I could have sworn I saw her do that little dot on the eye
Melanie Avalon:
I can see it right now.
Scott Emmens:
I'm visualizing it, too. That one blows my mind away, not to be pun not intended, but really is mind blowing.
Melanie Avalon:
After that, those episodes, we have so many other really fun topic episodes. So the mind blown podcast tune in. I'm really excited about it. And then Scott is also launching another podcast, Scott.
Scott Emmens:
Yes, I'm going to be launching Behind the Mic Wellness, which is a great podcast. I believe it's going to be a great podcast. It's about getting to know your favorite biohackers and health and wellness podcasters on a whole different level. So I interview people about what got them into podcasting, about their podcast itself, some of their favorite guests, hurdles they had to overcome to get their podcast on the air, what makes them tick. And it's a really interesting way to kind of break that fourth wall and kind of meet your podcast host on a whole different level. And it allows them to kind of present themselves in a whole different way, kind of different than you would hear them on their podcast. And it also gets exposure for them to all these different podcasts. If you're looking for a great new health and wellness podcast or a new biohacking podcast, come over and check out Behind the Mic Wellness. That's going to be launching around the same time, probably in mid to late July. And we're going to have a bunch of your favorite guests, I'm sure you get to hear a lot about what they're doing to make the podcast grow, what their passions are in life, and just get to know them on a whole different, more intimate level.
Melanie Avalon:
I'm really excited to listen to that one personally as a podcaster. I, I love hearing the stories of other podcasters. So it's a little bit selfish, but for why I like it, but I'm curious. Cause you, I know you've recorded quite a few episodes. Are you picking up on trends or is it like wild cards without, with how people answer things or what have you experienced?
Scott Emmens:
There's a lot of wild cards, but there is one trend that I don't think will be surprising. Almost all of the health and wellness podcasters got their passion into health and wellness and their podcast start by having their own health issue or something that happened to them in life or something that they discovered how they could change their life and all of a sudden they wanted to share it to the world and share it from the rooftops. That was the singular trend, I would say. People got started, what they decided to pursue, the different hurdles that they faced. Those are all pretty different, I'd say, widely different experiences, but the one core commonality is almost all of them have had some sort of interventional crisis or an aha moment about health and wellness.
Melanie Avalon:
Like, do you ask the same questions or different questions or...
Scott Emmens:
Yeah, I try to, so I have a format that we follow, which is sort of discussing kind of their early history into health and wellness, maybe a little bit about what got them into that particular topic, what got them started with the podcast, some of their greatest hurdles with the podcast, their favorite moments with the podcast. So you really get to understand like what drove them into that health and wellness space, whether it's biohacking or keto or carnivore, you kind of get to understand that, but you also kind of get the fun, unique stories about the bumps in the road to the podcast or maybe something they don't disclose on their own podcast because they're doing the interviewing and now as the interviewee, they get to talk more about themselves. So I get to find out like what are those little nuances about their podcast that they love or that they don't love or things that they have changed over time. So it's kind of a cool way to get to know your podcast on a really intimate level and get to know the host on a more intimate level.
Melanie Avalon:
I love that. Can I tell you what I would want to ask people who are podcasters, like as a podcaster?
Scott Emmens:
Yes, give me your top three questions because I'll start incorporating them.
Melanie Avalon:
I would, I mean, I have to think about it a little more, so I reserve the right to change my mind. But just like off the top of my head, I would want to know, I would want to know if they, because people ask me all the time if they should start a podcast. And they're always really, I think, surprised with how I answer it, which I'm like all about. I'm like, yeah, do it. Like, I'm in full support. And it's funny because I was listening to a Joe Rogan episode and he was talking about how he always, like, left and right is encouraging people to start podcasts. And he says he's probably responsible for like 50 podcasts starting. So I would want to know if somebody were to ask them, should they start a podcast? What would they tell them?
Scott Emmens:
That's a great question.
Melanie Avalon:
I'm really curious if everybody's like, like me where they're like, yeah, do it. Or if some people would be like, uh, think, think hard, long and hard before you, you know, take it on. I would want to know what is the most divergent or different thing from what people might expect as far as like what you, like the reality of podcasting compared to how it's interpreted. Let me, how do I clarify that? So basically like, what would people be kind of shocked to know about podcasting that's different than what you might present or see out there, like behind the scenes.
Scott Emmens:
Would you want that personalized would you want it to be maybe what is the most divergent thing about their personal life versus their on air podcast persona or is that too crossing line too much.
Melanie Avalon:
I like both of those. So I like that, those are like different questions. I like that one. I was thinking more the mechanics of podcasting.
Scott Emmens:
What surprised them most about actually doing the podcast versus the initial dream or thought about it? That's a great question.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, because I know what my answer, I think, would be.
Scott Emmens:
Don't answer because I'm going to ask you on the Mind blown podcast.
Melanie Avalon:
Okay. Oh, you mean on the behind the mic?
Scott Emmens:
I'm sorry, behind the mic podcast, behind the mic wellness, specifically, yes.
Melanie Avalon:
And then I would also want to know probably what was their, it's like a two part or what, what was their best moment or like favorite moment they've had while podcasting and worst moment podcasting.
Scott Emmens:
That I did ask.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, there's so many things I would want to know.
Scott Emmens:
The favorite moment was oftentimes when they asked a great question to someone that they really admired. Those those were and then they gave that specific example.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, that's actually probably going to be my answer.
Scott Emmens:
Worst moments were having a guest that they loved, but the guest either didn't have the time for them or it just didn't go as they had hoped.
Melanie Avalon:
Have people said, have they ever had a moment where they, like where the guests asked them a question and they weren't like following?
Scott Emmens:
That didn't come up. There were some times where there might have been a point where the guests went off on a tangent and they couldn't rain the guests back in. And those were some fun conversations too about the specifics of how those went down.
Melanie Avalon:
Oh, I have a question. I would want to know what skills from podcasting have carried over into their real life.
Scott Emmens:
Ooh, that's a great question. I hadn't even thought of that.
Melanie Avalon:
I definitely know my answer for that one for sure.
Scott Emmens:
I'm writing that one down. So hold it for the show
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah. Oh man. I just, I love thinking of questions. I'll have to think, if I think of more, I will send them your way. Oh, oh, oh, maybe also I would want to know how has podcasting changed their social relations? Like are most of their friends podcasters or like are most of their friends now their guests? Because like, if I look at my life, the majority of my friends now are guests I've had on the show or fellow podcasters, which is kind of weird to think about.
Scott Emmens:
And that's kind of a unique small world. So it's interesting, once you get into that world, you start to know so many people in that world, it becomes kind of comfortable because you have so much in common and it's just a comfortable fun conversation.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah, exactly. And it's really interesting, like how much you can... Something I love about podcasting is... Granted, people listening to podcasting might be doing other things and driving or multitasking, but podcasting itself, like the art of capturing a conversation, it's like the one time where you literally just live in the moment of that conversation, which is... We're so distracted in our world today. There's like so many things happening, but podcasting, you have to actually sit down and talk to another person and you can't really be... You can't be hardcore multitasking.
Scott Emmens:
I really like that because the people are so hectic today. Even phone calls are far and few between because people text so much. But when you sit down and do a podcast, you'll typically have a 15 to 20 minute pre -discussion for the podcast. Then you have a full discussion during the podcast and then potentially after the podcast. And like you said, during all of that, you're completely engaged with that person to get to know them, to really make sure you're engaged in the conversation so the listeners can follow. And so to your point, it's like a really engaging conversation on both sides. So it is very unique in that way and I think lends itself so great to making friendships and or acquaintances over the air because you're literally engaged and engrossed in that person's dialogue for an hour and a half or two hours.
Melanie Avalon:
Yeah. And you're talking about their work, like something that's really, you know, important to them. So you're getting to know like what drives that person and their passion. And so yeah, I think that's another reason I think people really connect.
Scott Emmens:
And I love the long format of podcasts because it really allows for complete contextual conversation instead of the typical tiktok sound bites that we're getting or the instagram sound bite you get the complete context and nuance of a robust discussion so i love that long long time term you know frame up of the podcast you don't really get that in too many media so to me i love it in fact a lot of podcast if i see there under thirty minutes i'm probably not gonna listen to it because i enjoy. The hour hour and a half two hour podcast where you really get to get to know the guest and you know it's going to be a thorough discussion.
Melanie Avalon:
So true. You could ask people what has been their shortest and longest podcast as well. I've had some really long ones. Okay. So, so friends, definitely all the things to check out. So in the podcast world, the mind blown podcast, is it called just behind the mic or is it behind the mic podcast? What's the full title?
Scott Emmens:
Behind the Mic Wellness.
Melanie Avalon:
wellness. Okay, behind the mic wellness. Check out both of those. I can't wait for them both to be up and then to bring it all back to the beginning, spirulina. Yeah, I'm just friends. I'm so excited about this. Again, you can get the launch special 20% off, stock up now, avalonx.us. You don't want to miss that. And then stay tuned for all of the future supplements to come. And just again, I just want to express my gratitude to Scott, who's been such a key, key person behind. Because I know so many of you guys are, you know, really big fans of my Avalonx supplements. And I am as well because they're exactly what I could ever want them to be. And that's all because of Scott.
Scott Emmens:
I would love to take all the credit, but it's the entire MD Logic Health team. So I've got to give my team the props they deserve. Without them, I would be nothing. So it's truly a partnership and Melanie, I love working with you and partnering with you on these supplements because you take everything. So personally, you make sure everything is done to perfection. And there's nothing I love more than creating a wonderful, pure product with great partners. So thank you so much.
Melanie Avalon:
Awesome. Well, thank you, Scott. And I will, I guess next time we'll be podcasting together will be for the Mindblown podcast.
Scott Emmens:
They cannot wait. And thank you so much for having me again. I think I'm my sixth time here at the I have podcast, Melanie. Appreciate it.
Melanie Avalon:
Awesome. You're one step closer to your honorary co -host. Almost there. All right. Have a good night.
Scott Emmens:
You too. Take care, Melanie.
Melanie Avalon:
Bye. Thank you so much for listening to the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. Please remember, everything we discussed on this show does not constitute medical advice, and no patient -doctor relationship is formed. If you enjoyed the show, please consider writing a review on iTunes. We couldn't do this without our amazing team. Administration by Sharon Merriman, editing by podcast doctors, show notes and artwork by Brianna Joyner, and original theme imposed by Leland Cox, and recomposed by Steve Saunders. See you next week!
Melanie Avalon:
Thank you so much for listening to the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. Please remember, everything we discussed on this show does not constitute medical advice and no patient-doctor relationship is formed. If you enjoyed the show, please consider writing a review on iTunes. We couldn't do this without our amazing team. Administration by Sharon Merriman, editing by Podcast Doctors, show notes and artwork by Brianna Joyner, and original theme composed by Leland Cox and recomposed by Steve Saunders.
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Melanie's What When Wine Diet: Lose Weight And Feel Great With Paleo-Style Meals, Intermittent Fasting, And Wine
Vanessa's Keto Essentials: 150 Ketogenic Recipes to Revitalize, Heal, and Shed Weight
The Tone Device Breath Ketone Analyzer
The Melanie Avalon Biohacking Podcast
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