Welcome to Episode 410 of The Intermittent Fasting Podcast, hosted by Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What When Wine Diet: Lose Weight And Feel Great With Paleo-Style Meals, Intermittent Fasting, And Wine, and Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC.
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Melanie Avalon
Welcome to episode 410 of the intermittent fasting podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat with no calorie counting, then this show is for you. I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of Avalon X and author of What, When, Wine. Lose weight and feel great with paleo style meals, intermittent fasting and wine. And I'm joined by my co-hosts, Barry Conrad, actor, singer, songwriter, and creator and host of banter with BC. For more on us, check out Melanie Avalon.com and Barry Conrad official.com. You can submit questions for the show by emailing questions at I have podcast.com or by going to I have podcast.com. We would love to hear from you. Please remember the thoughts and opinions on this show to not constitute medical advice or treatment. So pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine. If it's that time and get ready for the intermittent fasting podcast. Hi everybody and welcome. This is episode number 410 of the intermittent fasting podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon and I'm here with Barry Conrad. How are you today, Barry?
Barry Conrad
I'm doing really well. How are you doing?
Melanie Avalon
I'm good, what's new in your life?
Barry Conrad
Well, it's a beautiful day here in Sydney. The sun is shining. It's currently one o'clock. What is the time in Atlanta right now? I know we have a list as we have a wild.
Melanie Avalon
9 p.m.
Barry Conrad
I've actually been doing, earlier today, some work on some character work for my play that's happening later this year, Destiny. So that's been really, really good just diving into the character a bit more and excavating, I should say. So that's been really, really fulfilling and fun to do.
Melanie Avalon
That's so exciting. And when will you actually be performing that?
Barry Conrad
Yes, so listeners, it's called Destiny and we head into into work in July, but it runs from October 18th onwards. So if you're in Australia or you're going to be traveling here, please come see it. We'd love to see you at the show. It's going to be really special because of what it's about. So, yeah, I'd love to see you there.
Melanie Avalon
That's a long lead-up, right? Yeah. Like, how does that compare to how many months you normally rehearse for a show?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, well, we have well, usually it's maybe a couple months. So this is a longer lead up, but there's also more intermittent sort of workshops beforehand, which is really good where we get to actually be part of the process more, which has been really, really good and rewarding as an actor to have more of a say, you know, because it's a play and it's something different to sort of musical theater that I've done before. So that's why it is different. And it's, I'm so excited. I'm really, really excited about this Mel. So yeah, we'll have to put a link in the show notes for people if they're going to be around or happen to be in Australia, so they can check it out. Oh, definitely.
Melanie Avalon
Definitely. I'm so excited for you and I'm so proud of you. Wanna come? It's so awesome.
Barry Conrad
Come for a day what about you what's what's happening in melanie evolones world right now.
Melanie Avalon
I'm really curious by the time this comes out, because there's so many different potential products I'm working on right now, I'm curious what will be actually launched by the time this airs. The coffee line I'm making, Glow Coffee, my EMF blocking product line, which I know I've been talking about it for so long, but it's actually, like it's in production now, so we should be launching that sometime this quarter. We have our next two things we want to make for my supplement line, so hopefully one of those will be coming out around February. Then my really big project, which is, I don't know if I mentioned it on the show, I probably have the dating app that I'm working on, so lots of things, lots of things.
Barry Conrad
Bring it on, bring it on. Exciting.
Melanie Avalon
And I'm hoping to be going to some more conferences around this time as well. Oh, oh, I will. I'm actually going, I'm so excited. I'm going at the end of January. So I will have gotten back from it a few weeks ago, but I'm going to Sundance Film Festival for the first time, which is very exciting. I think we talked about that. Yeah, I'm really excited. You should come to that, see the movies.
Barry Conrad
That x is it's tempting you know i hear your friend the person that you know with the project that's so that's so incredible what an achievement to be able to have that in. Be part of that festival right that's awesome.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it's so exciting. Hopefully someday we'll see you there in a film. That'd be awesome.
Barry Conrad
or even maybe you, when you fire back into the land of acting.
Melanie Avalon
You never know. This is very true. We should manifest it.
Barry Conrad
Would you ever want to is that something that you maybe want to maybe possibly potentially maybe kind of do later on again.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, we shall see if the stars align So Okay, so friends we have decided to start starting off the show with an intermittent fasting study And we're gonna make it a surprise like one of us is gonna prep it for the other person but this time we just Got one together. So this one is called dawn to dusk intermittent fasting is associated with overexpression of autophagy genes and Perspective study on overweight and obese cohort So this was this is a new study published so it's actually gonna be published in February 2025, but the preprint is online already and Long story short we talk about how intermittent fasting Has been shown to have effects on healthy aging and longevity often through Autophagy genes and we talked about autophagy a lot on this show But basically it's the process where your body Goes in and breaks down old and problematic proteins in your body and recycles them It gets rid of dysfunctional ones and then it recycles them to make new cells and you know new proteins in your body It's like a cleanse on the cellular level. We know that fasting supports it And so this study actually looked at 51 participants there was 36 males and 15 females and they were all overweight or obese and They also had six healthy subjects who were a normal BMI that group was used as the control and They monitored these different genes that are involved in increasing autophagy And they found that at the end of the fasting period Compared to the pre fasting period that the participants that were overweight and obese They saw a significant increase for three autophagy genes and it's a lot of letters, but it's LEMP to LC3B and ATG5 and that was up to 4.2 times increase so the first one was 4.2 times the second one was 1.9 times and the third one was 1.4 times and then they did check another fourth autophagy gene But it was not significantly increased and the type of fasting by the way, they're looking at Ramadan which a lot of the Studies will use Ramadan fasting as a way to test fasting related things because so many people are Doing it anyway as a part of that lifestyle. So yeah, they concluded that basically Fasting with Ramadan is associated with the upregulation of autophagy gene expressions And that this may in part explain the short-term metabolic and health improving effects on early aging Related markers and they said that if presumably may be protective Against aging and metabolic disease and people who are overweight or obese. So I thought that was pretty cool Barry What are your thoughts?
Barry Conrad
This actually really blew my mind because what sort of really stood out to me about the study is in just those four weeks of the fasting, as you said, the 51 participants who like there were mostly people with overweight or obesity had like this huge boost in activity of those three key genes that you said. Like the one gene there, it's called LAMP2, which listens to sort of like the manager for our bodies cleanup crew sort of thing. And it actually increased over four times. It's like their bodies were going into like an overdrive to heal and protect themselves, which I thought was amazing. And I've got friends who are Muslims, so I'm very familiar with Ramadan and how they fast and then feast. So this makes total sense that they conducted this study in that way. And yes, sure, like, you know, the people in the study lost the way and, you know, maybe reduced their waistline or whatever. But from what I'm understanding from the study is that the benefits like they went deeper than the physical. So the glacial went up, their inflammation went way down. Even anti-aging markers improved, which again, why I love fasting. It's not just about the scale. It's about the overall health and longevity and what's happening inside. And I mean, Mel, I've been fasting for years now since not as long as you, but 2018 and seeing signs like this just confirms those benefits firsthand, like the non-scale victories, that it's not just sort of like a clickbaity fad. It's something that is actually impacting us on like a cellular level, like keeping our bodies thriving. And also I loved another thing is that it didn't just sort of focus on one outcome. It showed that fasting, it doesn't magically fix anything. It's a powerful tool in the toolkit for better health and sort of like creating habits for work to help our body work better. So whether that's weight, inflammation or whatnot. I mean, Mel, I'd love your take. Do you think Daunter Dusk fasting has an edge over 19.5, 16.8, 24. How do you think autophagy plays into not just longevity, but everyday energy and recovery?
Melanie Avalon
I love all of this so much. Before I answer your questions, it's really empowering because this concept of epigenetics is just so wonderful because basically everybody has these genes. It's not like you have this gene or you don't have this gene. It's not a genetic destiny in that way. It's epigenetics, meaning we have these genes and then how they're expressed, like how they're actually functioning and if they're turned on or not and how much they're working is really determined by environment and lifestyle. So it's so empowering because it's like anybody can turn this on. You don't have to have been born with the gene because you already have it. It's just, is it being expressed or manifest or is it on? And it's so great to know that fasting can turn these genes on. Yeah, so as far as like the different types, like the different types like dawn to dusk or more of an hour space approach. So honestly, for me, I feel like it really comes down to what are you going to do consistently. So rather than saying like one is better than the other, I think it's really about finding what can you do and stick to. And for some people, it's like a dawn to dusk type approach. For some people, it's like a one meal a day. For some people, it's 18.6. But I really think there's a magic and it's kind of like last episode when you were talking about like the concept of tiny habits. It's like what are you actually doing day in and day out? So I would encourage people to find the fasting that works for them. Yeah, what are your thoughts on that concept?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, we're all very individual. It's hard for, well, it wouldn't be fair to prescribe one protocol to any one person. So I think just doing what works best for your body, I do feel like this study has made me not rethink, but, you know, just the benefits of timing your window, like timing wise in terms of like the time of day, do you know what I mean? Like, you know, how eating earlier rather than too late at night, what do you think about that? Or do you think it has a, there's any difference eating super late at night versus capping off your eating earlier in the day? That's something that this did provoke me to think about in terms of that.
Melanie Avalon
I've done a lot of diving into that. It does seem like there are a lot of studies about the problems with eating at night and late night eating. That said, I think I like sat down and looked at the actual like what winter hormones being released and what things are being turned on at different times. And for me, I feel like it points to a later eating window, but still while it's laid out, if you're being quote ideal, I don't think the hormonal profile right when you wake up is one in which you should be eating because once when you wake up, you have like cortisol, you have adrenaline, you have things that are releasing endogenous fuel, not prepping you to actually be eating. And I actually did a whole blog post on this that I can put a link to in the show notes. All of that said, it goes back to my answer before where I really think what you can stick to is what is best. So if eating later consistently is what works better for you, or if eating earlier consistently is what works better for you, I think what fits into your life, that's what I would focus on rather than what is in an ideal scenario in a metabolic word study, the perfect time to eat.
Barry Conrad
I think it leads back to what you were saying before, Melanie, about making habits work for us, you know, make it easier for our lifestyle, because that's going to be the thing that's going to actually sustain and be consistent rather than if this is the ideal window people are saying I should do, that, well, actually, what works best for you day in and day out? That's the thing, really. And for your body. Like for me, for example, I maybe, when I'm on vacation, I'll have breakfast when you're supposed to, quote unquote, have breakfast in the morning, but I don't start eating normally on the daily around till like four or five most days. So yeah, it's just like it's doing what is going to make me win and just stay consistent with my protocol. And so I think that's exactly what you should do as well.
Melanie Avalon
Exactly. And then just to go just to show how different we are. So if I were to eat at four or five, that'd be so early for me. Oh my goodness. I feel like the only way I could eat at four or five is if I like didn't eat that night before. Otherwise, I just wouldn't be hungry.
Barry Conrad
You're like 10 or 11. You eat later, way later.
Melanie Avalon
Are you late? Are you late? Actually this week I'm going to a dinner so I will be eating at a normal time. It's still late but it's not that late. It's like eight o'clock.
Barry Conrad
How do you feel about that? Do you feel excited about eating a bit earlier or not really, or kind of nervous or apprehensive?
Melanie Avalon
I don't like eating earlier. I'm not excited by that aspect of it, but I know that, I know I'll have a fun time and I know once I'm there, I'll love it. And so here's the other thing. Because I'm so intense with my routine of how I eat, I can kind of like signal to my body that it's eating time. Like normally when I start drinking, I'm like, you know, if I have some wine, that's kind of signaling that I'm about to eat. So I can kind of like tweak, well, actually that's not true because when I go out and have drinks, I don't eat. So maybe that, I think once I actually start eating, my body enters the like eating mode. And so it's all good. It's interesting because it's like, it's like your body becomes hungry once you actually start eating. If you're not hungry before, for me, that's my personal experience.
Barry Conrad
You know, what's really interesting is that sometimes when I'm in a longer fast, when I start thinking about food, it's almost like my body starts preparing to like, I just start, you know, like I start salivating. I'm like ready. Like my body knows like, and before starting intermittent fasting, I didn't really feel those cues or that sensation or have that experience. But now when I'm fasting, it's like, okay, it's time to eat. Like it's so fascinating. Do you ever feel that or not really?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, definitely. And that's a key thing about like dopamine, for example, because like people think people think often think dopamine is your happiness chemical and that compound or hormone and that dopamine makes you happy. But dopamine, it makes you happy at the thought of reaching a goal. So it's not actually getting the thing that makes you happy. It's like trying to get the thing that makes you happy. I promise this is going to relate. And the more dopamine is released and it's released just at the anticipation because it becomes a routine and a habit and self-reinforcing. So the point of this is we have habits that we do and once we start doing them and we get ingrained in them, we don't actually even have to do the thing that would release and encourage dopamine. We just have to like anticipate doing it and we get the dopamine hit. So they'll see that people who are, and it happens with food too. So like it's what you basically just said, like if you're accustomed to eating something that you really like or like in a situation that you like, you'll start releasing dopamine before you even do that thing. Yeah. So you can definitely, the body like anticipates and releases these compounds that then make you engage in that habit and like start the systems running, if that makes sense.
Barry Conrad
It definitely makes sense. I think the body is just so fascinating. And I don't know if this is relative, but even as soon as you said that about the body sort of anticipates, even with things like acting or performance, like when something's ingrained, it's like an anticipation and you know what's coming. You know what I'm saying? It's like intuitive. You know, it's just like programmed on a cellular level almost. It's so awesome. I love that.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. And actually, so we had Mark Sisson on the show. Have we, have we talked about Palluva yet? His shoe line? No. Okay. This is going to be all over the place. I promise it relates though. Barry, we got to get you wearing Palluva's. Do you wear like running shoes?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, every day when I go to the gym.
Melanie Avalon
So I highly recommend friends check out Mark's book, Born to Walk. So Mark Sisson, he's, do you know Mark? He's like the, he's one of the, he's the founder of like the Primal Health movement. He, he had a Mark's Daily Apple. Yeah. He had like Primal Kitchen, lots of New York Times bestsellers, Primal Endurance, and I think the Primal Blueprint is probably his most famous one. He has the Keto Reset Diet, but in any case, in Born to Walk, and we'll put a link to that episode in the show notes, but he basically makes the case that we should not be, like we should be walking a lot. We shouldn't be doing this endurance, this intense endurance activity all the time and like marathons and running. It's just not good for you. And shoes are like horrible for our feet, like horrible. They basically allow you to move in a way that is not natural for the body and also sustain impact trauma consistently, but you don't really feel it because of the shoes, but you're still getting all that damage and it's just not good. So he has this line paluba, which is a, like a barefoot shoe. It's like where your like toes are separated in it. And he has a whole line of them. And literally he completely changed my, my, my thoughts about like shoes and running and walking. And oh, the reason I'm talking about this is because we were talking about how would these, there's like four different feel good neurotransmitters that people think of like dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, and endorphins. And dopamine, serotonin, and oxytocin are all good feeling things to bring good things to your life. So dopamine is about pursuing a goal. Serotonin is about like social hierarchy and feeling safe and social bonds. And then oxytocin is about like the love, like the bonding compound. It's from like hugs and like love and all those things. Endorphins, which also make you feel great, their purpose is to mask pain. So historically, their main purpose is like if an animal's being killed by another animal, they get flooded with endorphins so they don't feel it. So it's not a compound we should be chasing to feel as a good thing because literally its purpose is to make you not feel painful things happening. And that's what people who are doing intense running careers and marathoning and all the things are chasing, they're chasing endorphin highs. So that's why I was thinking about that.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I mean, that sounds amazing with the issue. I'd love to wear that. And also on that, I 100% subscribe to walking. I actually, my form of cardio in the gym or outdoors is walking. I do hill sprints or walking. I just think it's such an underrated way to burn fat and not just that it compounds things. You can do that at a very pretty easy pace. Burn fat effectively and do something like listen to a podcast or make calls. It's so good. And also just clear your mind so that that's one thing. Another thing is I'm actually in bare feet right now, Melanie, and I always wear shoes, but I was recently traveling a bit, seeing my family and in New Zealand. And I've never been more barefoot during those few weeks than probably in years and coming back, it's just more freeing. You feel grounded to the earth. You can move better. And I'm actually I promise you, I'm barefoot right now. So there you go. It's very fitting that you're talking about it.
Melanie Avalon
I love that so much. Yeah, it's literally, he completely changed my perspective on it. I'm like, I need to be barefoot, like all the time or wearing these palubas. And so yeah, I love that you had that experience giving your feet the more natural experience of the world. So listeners, you can get 10% off paluba. If you go to paluba.com slash iapodcast, that's p-e-l-u-v-a.com slash iapodcast and use the coupon code iapodcast. So and they have one of the shoes that I like, you can actually, I don't really like, I don't normally wear like tennis shoes and stuff anyways. So I need to start wearing the normal ones outside. But for wearing around the apartment, they do have one that kind of you can not use the back of it. So you can use it kind of like a slip on. And so that's the one I'm really loving. That's the Zen active slip on. So I have the women's Zen active slip on but they have so many different ones. Yeah, it's literally game changer. Okay, oh, I just thought of something really random. But I should have said in the beginning when we were talking about what we're like, what's new in our life. Guess who I'm interviewing. Speaking of interviews tomorrow. Actually, I don't know how you would guess but give me a clue. It's a character from like one of the most well known TV series in the superhero world. What?
Barry Conrad
Who is it? Oh, you know, Melanie, I love superheroes. Don't play with me. Hold on. Is it okay? Gender? Give me the gender.
Melanie Avalon
You want to play the yes or no game?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Okay, I'm ready. Are you under the age of 50?
Melanie Avalon
The person? Yeah. No.
Barry Conrad
Are you in a Marvel franchise?
Melanie Avalon
Not Marvel. I don't know anything about superheroes.
Barry Conrad
Okay, have you been in a release of this franchise in the last two years?
Melanie Avalon
The character or the actor? The actor. No.
Barry Conrad
I don't know, tell me, because now I'm just going to, but we need to play 20 Christians, this is fun, but tell me who it is because I'm dying to know.
Melanie Avalon
I feel like Barry and I could play 20 questions for like five hours, so we can just like play. It's the original Robin from Batman and Robin.
Barry Conrad
You mean, oh, that's amazing. Are you serious? How did you score? That's amazing. That's incredible. How'd you score that? That's awesome.
Melanie Avalon
I was on the Derek Duvall show and that host Derek, he's like so kind and so nice. So he was interviewing me, um, I can put a link to that in the show notes. He connected me to Burt. He said Burt was like one of his favorite episodes he's ever done, but so Burt has, the reason he's going on like health related podcast is he has a, he has a gentle giants pet food line that is like to help support pet longevity and stuff. He's like all in now. He's all into dogs. They have, they have like he and his wife have, I don't know, 40 or 50 dogs at their house.
Barry Conrad
What?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, and they make this pet food line.
Barry Conrad
If it's a big house.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. I was watching videos. They put the food in like, like horse trough type things. Like feed the dogs. I am going to ask him a lot of questions about his dog, pet food line, but what would you ask him about his career, his acting career?
Barry Conrad
I would definitely ask him what was the most foundational thing you learned from being part of that franchise like with Batman and how has that shaped the rest of his like the trajectory of his career because that was like a huge, huge moment.
Melanie Avalon
And you were in, you were in Spider-Man something, right?
Barry Conrad
I was in power range. It's very different. It's very different.
Melanie Avalon
And here's the thing, I knew as Power Rangers, I was seeing Power Rangers in my head.
Barry Conrad
But Melanie, get this. Honestly, I always joke, but I'm not really joking. I would love to be. I'm obsessed with superheroes, so this is the perfect guest. I can't believe you're interviewing him. It's awesome. I'd love to be in a Marvel franchise.
Melanie Avalon
I'll let you know how it goes. Also, yes, Barry, you would be a perfect superhero. Which one would you be if you could be one?
Barry Conrad
like a current one, or you're asking me what kind of power I want.
Melanie Avalon
if you could be like, you know, like a new version of one of the ones.
Barry Conrad
Yeah. Okay. One of the ones, this is how you know, Melanie is not really a discoverer is Wolverine. Definitely. Hands down. My favorite.
Melanie Avalon
That's not a comic book though, is it?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, X-Men. X-Men.
Melanie Avalon
X-Men with a comic book? Wow. No idea. I had no idea.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I feel like if you were a superhero, you'd be like a biohacking, a biohacking superhero, like, take my red sauna. Like, I don't know, I could just see like in a dress looking really glamorous, looking really good, and then like, just like not breaking a sweat and just doing your thing.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I'd be down. Is there a blonde, superhero, female? Many. I can't think of any.
Barry Conrad
We're going way off here. Sorry listeners, if this is not interesting, but we're having a good time.
Melanie Avalon
I'm a fasting superhero.
Barry Conrad
So what is the power? So you could fast real good, you know, 19 hours a day, 20 hours a day.
Melanie Avalon
I don't ever have to take the time to eat, so I have more time. Yeah, but I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow. It's amazing. Congratulations. Thank you. So, OK, before we go on to our next thing, we realize that last week, this is my bat. I only partly answered one of the listeners questions. So we had answered a question from Julian about MCT oil and syrup peptase. I answered the part about at the end about what MCT oil and coffee breaker fast and we kind of like ran with that, but we didn't answer the first part. So would you like to reread the first part?
Barry Conrad
So Julian on Facebook said, I just recently started implementing black coffee with MCT oil in the morning during a fasted state. I usually also take seropeptase during that time as well. Would it be fine to take both MCT oil and seropeptase simultaneously? I wanted to make sure the MCT oil didn't interfere with the seropeptase since it's helped my sinuses drastically. Also, if I'm having black coffee with MCT oil, yeah.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, so totally forgot to answer this one. And so Julian is referring to my Avalon X serapeptase, which this actually ties into what we were talking about with autophagy. So serapeptase is a proteolytic enzyme created by the Japanese silkworm. And in the fasted state, well, its purpose in the silkworm is to break down the cocoon of the silkworm. So it breaks down nonliving tissue without hurting living tissue. So when we take it in the fasted state, kind of like how autophagy is that process in the body where we break down problematic proteins and things like that, that's what serapeptase does. And a lot of inflammation and health issues we have come from our body reacting to like proteins in our body. So like Julian says, it clears sinuses, I mean, dramatically. It's a game changer for that for me personally as well. And I hear that from so many people. And it can help with inflammation, it can break down amyloid plaque in the brain, help reduce cholesterol, all the things. I love it. I take it every single day of my life. And so you can't take it, well, you can take it with other food and proteins. But if you do, it'll just break down your food instead of going into the bloodstream and working its magic. So that's why it needs to be taken on an empty stomach. However, if you were to take it with MCT oil, MCT oil is just a pure fat. So serapeptase is not going to break down anything in that. So you could take MCT oil and serapeptase together is the answer to that. And if friends would like to get some serapeptase, they can go to avlonx.us and use the coupon code IF Podcast to get 10% off site wide there, including that serapeptase. It's kind of like a superhero serapeptase. It's like a superhero supplement, I think.
Barry Conrad
I've actually never tried syrup up this yet, so I feel like it's time for me to well and truly dive in and see what all the fuss is about, especially your supplement.
Melanie Avalon
Oh wait, did you get my bottle that I sent you?
Barry Conrad
I only got the magnesium. I didn't get the Sure-Five test.
Melanie Avalon
I didn't see new Sarah Papjes.
Barry Conrad
No. Oh. Not that I expect you to at all, but yeah, I haven't tried it yet.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, let me see, hopefully I can get it into Australia. It's like, I know I got the magnesium in. They do not make it easy. Yeah, they do. I will have to send you some. That's crazy. I really thought I had sent it to you.
Barry Conrad
That's all good. Yeah, but I definitely want to try it because I know that you talked about it so you rave on about it and you really believe in it. So I think it's definitely worth trying.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it is one of my favorite things like ever, ever, ever.
Barry Conrad
And do you take show of her days when to like to break your like during the when you break your first or when do you take it?
Melanie Avalon
So you would want to take it earlier in the fast and then not eat right after because if you ate right after, it would just break down the food. So you want to wait at least like an hour after to eat, but I take it in the morning and I don't eat until the evening, but I just notice such a difference. It just clears my sinuses. My brain helps with brain fog. It's amazing.
Barry Conrad
I'm going to write that down now because actually, I have allergies, like dust allergies, and when I was traveling recently, it's just so dusty, and I found it really hard, so I wonder if that would help mitigate some of the sinus issues as well. So that's definitely, I'm going to write this down right now.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, yes, it would be amazing for that like game changer. It's so effective
Barry Conrad
Okay, great, awesome.
Melanie Avalon
All right, Barry, would you like to read our question from Camilla? And by the way, I picked this one because she's from Australia. That's not the only reason, but that's a reason.
Barry Conrad
So Camilla says, hi. First of all, I absolutely love your podcast. I'm 30 years old, Chilean woman working full time in Australia. And listening to you has saved my life from the boredom of cleaning rooms for eight hours a day and encourages me to keep fasting. I tried so many times fasting before, but never understood the importance of clean fasting. That changed everything. So my very big question is, back in time, I practiced about three years ago a lifestyle called hygienism. The diet includes fruit juiced fasting, which is two juices in the morning, 10 and 2 a.m. And then fruit for lunch, about one kilo of fruit, where I can mix acid with semi-acid and semi-acid with sweet fruit. A few fruits for snack and for dinner. Fruit for a big plate of salad with cooked veggies is optional. Also, I can choose one protein, one cereal, or one starchy vegetable. I followed this diet for about two years and was feeling fantastic. It was very similar to the feeling of being in the fasted state. In the first two weeks with just fruit and salad two days a week, I lost about 10 pounds. By the way, I was dancing and using my bike a lot. The problem with that diet is that my body got used to eating every two hours, otherwise I would have been shaking and so hungry. Also, my stomach got bigger because I had to eat lots of fruit to get satiated, but I had it all covered. I didn't crave junk food anymore and my cravings for sweets was gone as the fruit was all that I needed. The problem started when I left my comfort zone and during my travel, where I had not that quantity of fruit available and for social or emotional reasons. So I quit that lifestyle and started overeating. My stomach got really elastic and big with the fruit. And I binge ate. In one year, I put 20 pounds on in my body and I felt awful. I've been trying so many diets and fasting, et cetera, but I didn't understand that intermittent fasting was a lifestyle too. So far, I've been practicing clean, intermittent fasting for about two weeks. I feel much better, more energy, no cravings of junk food during fasting time. My mind is clearer and more calm, but I haven't lost weight because I'm still overeating and eating junk food became a disgusting habit. My problem is that when I have dinner, salad and cooked veggies, I still crave sweets and mess it all up with cookies, brown bread and jam, granola, whatever it looks that it can satisfy my brain. Sadly, I have housemates that love junk food too. So here's my question. What are your thoughts about doing intermittent fasting and having a fruit diet? I ask because I feel when I do strict food diet, I stick to it more easily than having a whole food meal. I don't think I would do just fruit as before because I used to have fruit for dinner at least three days a week, but I wonder what happens with the insulin and sugar levels if I do it for about a week or two.
Barry Conrad
My goal is weight loss. And since I started fasting, I also go back to daily yoga practices, riding my bike for about 30 minutes a day. Oh, and also today I began with MCT oil to break my fast. And I wonder, would I get the same great benefits if I drank the oil, if I do exercise, or would it be better if I exercise and then break the fast with the oil? Thanks so much in advance. And I apologize if the English isn't the best. You're so great. I can't be grateful enough for having met you in the virtual world. Send you lots of love.
Melanie Avalon
Camilla. All right, Camilla, quite a journey and so many questions there. I'm curious, Barry, have you ever done a stint where you did like fruit fasting or something like that, like only eight fruit?
Barry Conrad
for about a day, but because I love meat so much, it's like, this is not going to work for me. It's not really, what about you? It's just not, for me, it's not satiating or satisfying. And it just actually, if anything, makes me crave more sugars. So, no, not really, just a day.
Melanie Avalon
The longest I did was in college. That's when I, I think I've told you before I did my, my apple fast. Where I was going to eat apples for three days. And I went like 11 days eating just apples. And it is very true. I felt, I like, I felt high. Like I felt like Camilla said, like the fasting feeling, I felt very light. I, it was an experience for sure. I have so many thoughts about this. So one, I think a lot of people, especially if they are eating an unhealthy diet and then they switched to some sort of cleanse, like just green juices or just fruit, that, that is sustainable in the beginning for a little bit. And they probably feel really great. And if they have the fat to burn, you know, shedding the toxins, getting all of this hydration and nutrients from the fruit, and then the body is probably doing more topology and so it can feel really great, but here's the thing. For most people, I mean, I know they're apparently fruititarians out there that, you know, say they've done it for life. There's also a lot of fruititarians out there that stop doing it because it works really well in the beginning. And then they start falling apart. I don't think most people can get the protein they need, the nutrients they need on a fruit only diet forever. There might be the rare people who can, like they've got the perfect microbiome and the perfect constitution and it works for them. But for most people, I don't think it's going to work. And I think what happens is people will try it and experience these amazing health benefits. And so they think, they think it's the thing and that it should be, that they should do it longer and that when it stops working, that it's not because it's not sustainable, it's because, you know, of other problems, but maybe it's because it's not sustainable and you need more nutrients and protein. And you can only do that for so long. So, yeah, so I have a lot of thoughts here. Basically, I think it could be done as a short-term thing. Like I said, if you want to do it as a very short-term thing, like maybe a few days, if you can make it that way. And I guess combined with intermittent fasting while doing that, but it's just, it's not a long-term thing. I would not look to this as a long-term lifestyle. And I definitely wouldn't do long-term intermittent fasting with only fruit. I just think that is a recipe for a disaster. And especially if you're dealing with binging and craving and that effect, a lot of that could be due to not getting the nutrients you need, like the protein that you need. I would have a reframe and if you're doing fasting, focus on fasting, like let fasting be the cleansing process and then have your eating window be the nourishment and make sure that you get all the protein you need in that window so that you're not craving and binging.
Melanie Avalon
And something else I think people might not account for sometimes is just how much an effect that you can like undo what you've done if you get into a binging cycle, because I think people, if they're not doing fasting from a healthy perspective where they're getting enough protein, they're getting enough nutrition and instead they're not getting enough. And then they get into this like binge, you know, this binge cycle where they're binging and then they try to make up with it, make up for it with fasting, but then they're not eating enough. So then they binge again. Like that's not, you can create a lot of harm by doing that and it's not sustainable, it's not healthy. So I would focus on fasting and eating a lot in your eating windows. So you don't fall into that. And there's this thing called the protein leverage hypothesis. And it's basically that we will be hungry and we will keep eating until we fulfill our protein requirement needs. So basically I would not suggest as a long-term thing, doing fasting and puritarianism together, I would only do it as like a short thing. Yeah. And I can talk about the MCT oil and the exercise, but what are your thoughts, Barry?
Barry Conrad
Yes. This is a big question and also so many thoughts, but first of all, Camilla, thanks for sharing that. It's a big story. Thanks for the support for the podcast as well. The fact that fasting has brought you clarity and energy after that sort of journey is a huge win, but I would definitely agree with Melanie in saying that combining IF with just fruit solely, it's not a great strategy because you're just not getting the nutrients that you need, you know, and I mean, I would suggest balancing that with some greens, some seeds. If you don't like meat, try protein from tofu, eggs, fish maybe, but I don't think you can't really sustain a long life, in my opinion, on just fruit. And also one thing to keep in mind is that if you're eating mainly fruit as well, you're going to spike your insulin so much, which potentially could make weight loss slower potentially. If you're just having fruit over the long term because your body does adapt. Yeah, great. The yoga, the cycling is great. That's awesome. But I'm 100% on the protein train here. Like protein is so important because skeletal muscle is such a huge important factor in terms of like having longevity. You can't just I don't want to see you withering away. So make sure you get your protein in. That's what I would say.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, we're definitely on the same page. And I think a lot of times people, especially doing like veganism or especially like fruititarianism, like if they're getting cravings and bingy and everything, it can be hard to see that it's because you're just not getting enough nourishment, you know, like you can think it's because oh, like I'm just weak or I crave these junk foods, but there's a lot of magic if you get in enough protein in your diet.
Barry Conrad
100%. One thing that I would say is when I'm having particularly, at the moment, I'm experimenting more with smoked salmon for my protein sauce just to change it up. But generally, I have with smoked salmon that is around for 200 grams of smoked salmon that has 40 grams of protein for that. In one sitting, I can get that. With ground beef, I have about 42 grams for the same amount. When I have chicken breast and ground beef, I get full. I can eat a lot of meat for sure, but I definitely feel satiated. The only thing that I can put that down to is the satiation that comes from hitting the protein that you need. I don't get that when I'm just snacking or having lots of carbs solely. I'll just keep eating and keep eating and keep eating because your body hasn't got what it needs. Please, please look at the protein. That would take you more.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I agree so much. And then for her question about the MCT oil, which is I didn't realize that we were answering two questions about this, but so she said she uses it to break her fast and she wants to know, should she basically take it, like have it before exercising? Okay, wait. If after drinking the oil, so like have MCT oil and then exercise or exercise and then have the oil. So I would want to know like why you're having the oil. Like is it just for calories? Like what is it for your metabolism? Like what is the purpose of having it? I would not have it before exercise because there's, I think there's a lot of benefits to fasted exercise. And if you are taking a lot of MCT oil before exercise, you're just going to be burning the MCT oil rather than, especially if like weight loss is a goal of yours, which she said it is, you want to be tapping into your body fat, not just running off of the oil you just had. So if weight loss is a goal, I would definitely, I would have it later. Not, I would have it in your eating window, not before exercising. What are your thoughts?
Barry Conrad
I would agree with that. One thing to keep in mind is that there's a train of thought out there where people feel afraid to exercise without something in their system, whether that's a banana, whether it's fat, or whether it's something. So I'm wondering, because she hasn't been fasting for a long, long time, that that might be a possibility, because you actually don't need that chameleon. Because remember, in the fasted set, there's plenty of glycogen for you to use up there. There's energy there, and there's plenty of fat that we're carrying. You don't need to take anything else to exercise. And I exercise as a six-foot-tall, 80kg male fasted. I'm not withered. I've got lots of muscle, and I don't eat anything. I have black coffee that's about it. So I would definitely say, you don't need the MCTL, and I wonder if that's something you've been told that you just need. Let me just have this little something to help me. You don't need it. Your body's got everything that it needs inside.
Melanie Avalon
I'm so glad you brought that up. It's so true. It is like a fear. It's like, I guess people are scared of that they're gonna run out of energy. Like I'm not, you know, but it's like once you start doing it, you realize that you can, you know, tap into your body fat stores and we carry so much energy on our body, just waiting to be tapped into. And especially if you have something like coffee or tea, you know, to have that caffeine and polyphenols and such help you, you know, tap into those body fat stores. Yeah, you can do it.
Barry Conrad
You can do it, Camilla.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome!
Barry Conrad
And we'd love to hear from you if you changed anything after hearing this. We'd love to hear back from you.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, please let us know! Okay, so we're like playing around with the format of the show and we always feature a restaurant on the show and we've decided we're going to try out having it at the end because then it's like we're breaking our fast after talking about all the fasting stuff and like we just talked about we are all about food on this show. So Barry, the restaurant I picked for us today is actually my favorite restaurant in Atlanta. Which is why I picked it.
Barry Conrad
Hold on for one second. You know what? I was actually thinking, the last episode listeners, I was actually thinking, I said to Melanie, if we went on like a food tour, she'll only come for a day. And then in my head, I was thinking, but if it was Atlanta, she'd come. So hello, now you've chosen Atlanta restaurant. So perfect.
Melanie Avalon
Wait, if it was Atlanta?
Barry Conrad
then you'd definitely be there.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, yes, yes. So guess who's got to come to Atlanta?
Barry Conrad
Yours truly. Yep.
Melanie Avalon
for more than a day, for more than a day. So why are the rules different for me? Oh, the rules aren't different, but there's, you make your own rules. So, but my rules are one day, which we didn't talk about this on the show yet, because it's going to be way in the past when it happened by the time this airs. But, um, I went for one day to Vegas for the biohack yourself premiere, which actually was really, really incredible. Um, and I highly recommend people check it out. It's a documentary on Amazon prime and it has all the people in it. Like all the biohacking people are, are in it. And I, I was so honored. They actually invited me to host on the right carpet. So I got to interview a lot of really cool people. I got to meet people in person. I never met like Ben Azati. I was excited. I got to meet Aggie who I found on the show. Got to interview Del Big Tree, who he's actually a really big deal. He, he leads the make America healthy again movement. And he works with RFK. Yeah, it was really cool. It was fun.
Barry Conrad
That's amazing. Congrats, Mel. Can I see it? Is it when does it come out on Amazon Prime?
Melanie Avalon
it's out now. We'll put a link to it in the show notes and no, you won't, you won't see me because I was just at the like the premiere thing and this is the actual documentary. I got to see, I literally, I think there's so many friends there, like so many people I've had on the show. The people I listed before were people I actually interviewed, but I got to meet in real life. Well, I know Dave Asprey, so I got to see him. I got to meet the founder of Viva Ray's who I've had on my show. I got to meet, I got to, I saw Sean Wells, literally just so many people. I, Ian Clark, who I just interviewed the other day, you would have loved it, Barry. We should go to something like that sometime. I'd love that. It'd be awesome. So in any case, so the restaurant I picked, like I said, it's neck and neck because I have two favorite restaurants in Atlanta, but this is my all time favorite and it's called Atlas. It's at the St Regis and something really cool about it. So it has a Michelin star. I knew it would because the Michelin guy just came for the first time two years ago to Atlanta, which was really exciting. And I was like, I know Atlas is going to get one and it did. And what's really cool about it is the restaurant itself, there's all this art and they actually have to change the art every, I don't know how many days, like how many months or so. They have to continually change it. And the reason they have to change it is because they have so much art in that room worth so much money that it would, they would be a museum if they didn't change it out. Isn't that cool?
Barry Conrad
That's so cool.
Melanie Avalon
I think it's probably complicated to be a museum, so the art changes. But they have really cool museum type stuff, obviously. I went there for my birthday three years ago, maybe. So the menu is, I guess we can just pick from the tavern menu because they have a tasting menu but we can't actually see what that is because it changes. So we'll just have to go off of there.
Barry Conrad
This looks good.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, so they do have a chef's tasting menu, but it says full table participation required. That's like so scary.
Barry Conrad
Well, have you met me? I'm pretty much a full table when it comes to food. I'll eat for like five people.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so we'll go. I'll be like, we're getting the chef's tasting menu. The full table is berry. And then I'll sit over there.
Barry Conrad
That's your buddy.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, actually, you know who I went to? I went twice. I went with Jean Valacara, who is the he has biohackers magazine and I had him on my show as well. But I love biohackers magazine. He's incredible. He's called his handle is cyber gains on Instagram. Yeah, he does calisthenics. He's like, so he's so impressive, like, with what he does. But he came to Atlanta and we went into Atlas once he had to come in town for like some other like conference things. So we went there. Okay, so looking at the menu, what would you get to share?
Barry Conrad
This all looks incredible, actually. I would say I'm gravitating towards large seafood platter for sure. I'd probably eat most of it, but we could definitely share that.
Melanie Avalon
features caviar, king crab, oysters, shrimp, crudo, and main lobster. I feel like we have to do that because the other things are oysters or small seafood platters. So we'll just get the large one. And I would eat, I would eat everything on that. Wait, what is crudo? I should know this.
Barry Conrad
So crudo, it's sort of the way, like when you have kingfish crudo or not, it's just the way it's cured. So I'm guessing it's going to be like kingfish or some sort of fish, but cured in that.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, it means raw.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, exactly.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, so I would definitely actually when I went I think I had I actually this is one of the locations where I Had this is do you know what this was berry? This was where I learned the term savory dessert because I Had salmon as the appetizer. This is when I went with jean and then for dessert I asked if I could have salmon and they were so accommodating and then I said I was like do people do this or like It's just like a weird and then the server said to me. Yeah, sometimes people have savory desserts And I was like, oh my goodness. I am adopting that term
Barry Conrad
That tracks, that makes sense and that's it's good that it's a full circle moment back to your favorite restaurant. That's good.
Melanie Avalon
So they also have an incredible wine list, but in any case, okay, so to share and then the cheese cart, would you be having some from the cheese cart, Barry?
Barry Conrad
Of course, like that was my second thing. We definitely need to have that select, like we need to get like a selection. Cause that's something we can pick at. I love cheese and crackers. I love it so much. So we have to do that.
Melanie Avalon
So I have good and bad news. Okay, what? What's the good news first? Good news is I love cheese. Like in heaven, I probably just, it's probably like made of cheese. The bad news is cheese for me, it's like the thing, I just can't have it. I like it too much. And cheese has queso-morphenes in it, which are, it's basically like morphine, but in food form. And the reason it has that is because I'm not trying to scare people away from cheese, but the reason it has that is to, do you know, do you know the reason why it has that? You tell me. It's to help the child. So milk has queso-morphenes to help the child bond to the mother.
Barry Conrad
Oh, well.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, isn't that crazy? So basically like mother's milk has these compounds that make the baby like be addicted to the mom.
Barry Conrad
That's kinda crazy.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, and depending on your constitution, some people have more like receptors for that and react to that differently. So for me, like it, if I have one bite of cheese, it feels like a drug like I, so I just have to abstain because I could just like eat cheese forever.
Barry Conrad
What about like a morsel, like one, one little bite and that's it.
Melanie Avalon
Exactly. You have one bite and it's like, then you're just stuck wanting more. Like, I'd rather just not have it.
Barry Conrad
We'll all have the cheese. We can get it.
Melanie Avalon
I love it so much that I would love you to have it and you can like give me tasting notes and yeah. So we will get the cheese cart.
Barry Conrad
Now, do you like do you like heavier? Is that something that you like?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, okay. I am so excited to talk about this. So I had not had caviar until semi recently. And what's funny is I didn't realize it was caviar until after I ate it. I was at another birthday dinner at one of my, another restaurant I love here, which is called Kevin Rathbun's Steakhouse. And something came with caviar. And then I ate it. And I was like, this is so good. And I was like, Oh, this is caviar. Like after I ate it.
Barry Conrad
That's funny. That's hilarious.
Melanie Avalon
It did not taste like what I thought it would taste like. What did you think it would taste like? I don't know, but it basically just tasted like salt.
Barry Conrad
Well, did you have it on a blini or did you have it on like, what did you have it with?
Melanie Avalon
It was a condiment, like it came with the tartare, I think, but it was like squishy and like little, little bit like seafood, but like salty. I loved it. And like fatty. Do you like caviar?
Barry Conrad
I love it. And so I'm throwing the ball to you, which, cause I'm having most of the cheese, which caveat would you choose?
Melanie Avalon
Let's get the la grande caviar selection, then we get everything. Wait, how does that compare to the tasting flight?
Barry Conrad
No, that's not enough.
Melanie Avalon
What's the difference between, it's the same thing though, with condiments. With condiments, is that the difference?
Barry Conrad
And have you tried Blinnies before? Have you tried that?
Melanie Avalon
No. What is that?
Barry Conrad
So I actually make these from scratch when I'm having caviar or even with smoked salmon. It's basically like, think of like a miniature, like a miniature pancake, like really small.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, okay. Yeah, I do. So so I would actually I personally would order just the tasting flight, but I feel like for the table me and you we would we want to get the grand caviar selection so that you can have the condiments and the Bellini that you make at home. Wait, I have a quick question about caviar. Do you buy caviar like at the grocery store? Because once I had it, then I when I would go to Whole Foods, I was like, oh, I should like buy some caviar. And I was like, Oh, this is this is confusing. There's like so many options. And the price goes from like expensive to like crazy expensive. I like couldn't bring myself to buy it.
Barry Conrad
I have an occasion for caviar but at the store but i would definitely go for if you're gonna do it like you know do for an occasion. But you can definitely buy it gets it gets pricey though.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, maybe I should, oh my goodness, maybe I should have a caviar line in the future. Maybe that'll be my first food. Yum. If you could have, last quick question, if you could have a berry Conrad food line, what would be your first food?
Barry Conrad
Do you know what not just food i would say you know because i love spicy i'd maybe do something like a hot sauce or a. So like a hot seasoning first before like a food because that's something that i could make sense because it's something you can put lots of different things that's probably something i would do.
Melanie Avalon
I'm making a note of that, that you like hot sauce stuff.
Barry Conrad
I do. I love it. I love Spicy.
Melanie Avalon
We should do a product collab, like a food collab. A wine, maybe? Yeah. Okay, what would you get to start? Oh, I know what I would get. This is like, oh, whoa, there's two things I want. Oh wait, there's three. Oh crap, actually I want everything. What do you want?
Barry Conrad
Kompachikrudur and the Wagyu Tatar.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so I want the wagyu tartar, the crudo, and the hen's egg. I really want the hen's egg. Oh wait, is it not a hen's egg? Is it actually crawfish?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I think it's just called hens egg, but I don't know why.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so I take that back I want the same thing as you
Barry Conrad
Okay, in that case, let's get the garden solid like to kind of pad things out just to be there, you know, there's some, you know, greens there to look good.
Melanie Avalon
and take pictures for Instagram.
Barry Conrad
For the photo, exactly. You gotta bounce it out.
Melanie Avalon
And I'll have the crude out and the wagyu as well as will you.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, what would you have for your, okay, not the entree, I'm going to say your main event. That's the main dish.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Are we skipping? Is pasta like, I'm confused. There's like a pasta section. Is that like a, is that a course? I'm skipping that course. Do you want one of those?
Barry Conrad
I feel like that's a main thing too. I feel like I put pasta and the entrepreneur sections into one thing. Like they're all like main things.
Melanie Avalon
So here's what I love, friends. You can get, for your main thing, we always have the language translation issue here, but for the main thing, you can get a pasta, an entree, or an entree for two. So basically, I'm always wanting to get two entrees, so I can just get the entree for two for one, for me. This is like incredible, but you can have some too if you want.
Barry Conrad
So what would you have?
Melanie Avalon
I think I would get the Dover Soul entree for two, but how big is that fish that is for two?
Barry Conrad
They'd be massive.
Melanie Avalon
That's what I want. It's probably like a it's like probably a whole fish. Do you like fish when it's in its whole fish form? I love it
Barry Conrad
I do. I love it. Some people get grossed out by seeing the eyes and seeing the whole thing. I love it.
Melanie Avalon
I love it when it even has like the brain in it still.
Barry Conrad
What? I was expecting that.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, because I remember the first time I had it like that, the guy I was I was with was like daring me to eat the brain. I was like, Oh, no, I like I want to eat the brain. This is not hard for me to do. Although it actually didn't taste as good as I thought it would. I thought it was gonna taste like good, like bone marrow. And it actually tasted like not that good. And I was like, Oh, actually, nevermind. But I wasn't scared is the point.
Barry Conrad
Have you fished before like yourself? Like, have you gone fishing and caught something and ate it?
Melanie Avalon
I have. Are you impressed? Are you surprised? Growing up, we lived on a pond. We would fish. We never ate that fish, but we would fish. And then in Florida, we would always go on these fishing things where you hire a person who takes you fishing, and then you would cook the fish later. But oh, actually, so I'm halfway answering this. At that time, I was not eating fish, so I didn't actually eat the fish, but we did cook it.
Barry Conrad
Wow.
Melanie Avalon
How about you?
Barry Conrad
Oh yeah we went fishing a lot when i was a kid so i do love the whole thing and it takes better when you catch it something about that.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. Although now I don't think I could actually eat any of the fish that I catch because of the mercury issue. Unless I catch salmon. And sole I believe is low. That's why I was picking it.
Barry Conrad
I might have to have like a bite of the soul, just like an immortal to try it.
Melanie Avalon
And what would you get for your entree?
Barry Conrad
I would get two things. I would get the West Home Wagyu and I'd also get the Hunter's Chicken.
Melanie Avalon
That's perfect because I also wanted those. So can I have a bite? Of course. How are you cooking your Wagyu?
Barry Conrad
So it's got to be medium rare, but more on the rare side.
Melanie Avalon
I can tolerate that.
Barry Conrad
I'm not going to do blue, Melanie, I'm not going to have just
Melanie Avalon
You're not doing blue? No blue?
Barry Conrad
No.
Melanie Avalon
someday. When we have our meal together, will you eat blue? Like if I order it blue, will you like try it?
Barry Conrad
Oh yeah I'm not like I've I'm not scared of having it's just like I enjoy like a little bit more like heat on the surface but I definitely love like rare for sure I definitely do it to the blue.
Melanie Avalon
Perfect, okay. And then for dessert, what would you get?
Barry Conrad
Oh man, this is hard. Okay. The FM Rocha, which is vanilla hazelnut chocolate, and I would also get the Baba R. Rom, which is an aged spirit selection. That sounds pretty appetizing to me. What about you?
Melanie Avalon
I would get a repeat of whichever appetizer I liked the most out of the caviar, crab, oyster, shrimp, crudo, and lobster. For dessert, actually, let me take that back. I probably would go like the shrimp, lobster, or crab route.
Barry Conrad
One day, hopefully I'll get to see you like have like one bite of like a cake or something with me.
Melanie Avalon
That is your mission in life, and I respect that.
Barry Conrad
I just want to see your reaction to it just when you have it.
Melanie Avalon
It's not, yeah. Would you get any of their seasonal or signature cocktails? The beverage menu.
Barry Conrad
You know what? The Southern Passion looks pretty good. I'll try that.
Melanie Avalon
Although it's perfect because we're in the south.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, you know.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, on theme I would get so I actually am friends with the Psalm here. His name is Maxwell. Shout out to Maxwell. And he knows my tastes and how intense I am and that I only drink organic low alcohol, like fruity wines. So from Europe. So and again, Atlas has an incredible wine list, like the book is just overwhelming. It's like, it's one of those like books, you know, like pages and pages and pages. So I would have him pick something.
Barry Conrad
Also, I have to maybe zoom out for one more second. I'll have that as like the first, I'll have that with my starter. And then with the mains, I'll have my, I'll have the golden margarita.
Melanie Avalon
Perfect. You got to feature the the berry margarita moment
Barry Conrad
Yeah, because that looks good. Lime, egg white, that's to own. That's that's that looks really good.
Melanie Avalon
And we could take beforehand a shot of what we talked about last time, Z-biotics.
Barry Conrad
Exactly. We'll take the shot and then enjoy the night.
Melanie Avalon
the probiotic genetically engineered to help you break down the toxic byproducts of alcohol in your stomach. I highly recommend it and it is part of my protocol every single time I go out. So for that, listeners can go to melaniavalon.com slash zbiotics, z-b-i-o-t-i-c-s and use the coupon code melaniavalon to get 10% off. Awesome. Well, I feel good. So friends, takeaway is that with fasting, you can have your cake and eat it too, unless you just look at it like me. But the point is you can indulge in all the things that make you feel good and happy in your eating window and still get all the benefits of fasting. So we love it.
Barry Conrad
We love it. And you know what, I was actually just thinking as we were doing this week's restaurant is, I hope that when we do the restaurant at the end, that if it works with your window, your eating window listeners, that you can start snacking away and enjoying it. Like while we talk about food, that'd be really fun. That'd be fun for me to listen to and eat.
Melanie Avalon
Oh yeah, or go look at the menu and see what you would order.
Barry Conrad
Or both, and or. Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
I love it. Love it. Love it. All right. Well, this was so, so fun. Friends, if you'd like to submit your own questions for the show, you can email questions at iapodcast.com or you can go to iapodcast.com and you can submit questions there. You can follow us on Instagram. I am Melanie Avalon. Barry is berry underscore Conrad. And our together one is I have podcast. And yeah, I think that's all the things. Anything from you, Barry, before we go?
Barry Conrad
Thanks for tuning in everyone and we'll catch you next week.
Melanie Avalon
Yep, this was so fun. I will talk to you next week. Bye. Bye. Thank you so much for listening to the Intermittent Fasting podcast. Please remember, everything we discussed on this show does not constitute medical advice, and no patient-doctor relationship is formed. If you enjoyed the show, please consider writing a review on iTunes. We couldn't do this without our amazing team, editing by podcast doctors, show notes and artwork by Brianna Joyner, and original theme composed by Leland Cox and recomposed by Steve Saunders. See you next week.