Welcome to Episode 436 of The Intermittent Fasting Podcast, hosted by Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What When Wine Diet: Lose Weight And Feel Great With Paleo-Style Meals, Intermittent Fasting, And Wine, and Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC.
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Melanie Avalon
Welcome to Episode 436 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy, and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat, with no calorie counting, then this show is for you.
I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What, When, Wine. Lose weight and feel great with paleo-style meals, intermittent fasting, and wine. And I'm joined by my co-hosts, Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC. For more on us, check out MelanieAvalon.com and BarryConradOfficial.com. You can submit questions for the show by emailing questions at iapodcast.com or by going to iapodcast.com. We would love to hear from you. Please remember, the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment. So, pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine if it's that time, and get ready for the Intermittent Fasting Podcast.
Hi, everybody, and welcome. This is episode number 436 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon, and I'm here with Barry Conrad.
Barry Conrad
How's it going, everyone? How's it going, Mel? What are you doing? How are you doing?
Melanie Avalon
I am doing so well. Okay, you know, what's funny, I started doing the intro and then I, I couldn't remember if you, I mean, it hasn't been that long since you recorded.
I couldn't remember if I pause and then you say hello, or if I like ask you first. Like I forgot what I was saying, basically.
Barry Conrad
basically listeners, it's my fault because I'm really jetlagged. So my brain, if there's like a delay in any answers, it's because my brain is catching up to the jet lag because I've just officially moved to the United States of America on Saturday night.
Melanie Avalon
This is wild although although okay, so you moved here, but then you're gonna travel back to Australia for your show
Barry Conrad
Yeah, because initially I was looking at, oh, I'm moving in September, but I've officially like moved on the weekend because I'm just going back to our trip in July, you know?
Melanie Avalon
My goodness. This is wild. Yes. How do you feel?
Barry Conrad
Well, as I speak to you right now, I'm looking out over this amazing view of the city. It's just New York City and I cannot believe that I'm here. I feel so grateful, so pumped, so stoked. It's very surreal because we've talked about this Mel, like for ages and now it's happening. I'm actually at the same time as you, which is crazy too.
Melanie Avalon
I know oh my goodness we're like and you know what New York I feel like it feels so far away from me but the flight is not that long I don't think I don't I feel like it's not I feel like it's like shockingly not that long
Barry Conrad
to ATL. This is crazy.
Melanie Avalon
Maybe it's farther. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. Okay, wait, New York City.
Barry Conrad
Let's see. It is really surreal that we're in the same time zone because listeners at the moment, it's 9am, 904am on Wednesday in Australia.
And like we're the day, we're like a day before, which is crazy.
Melanie Avalon
And how many days have you been back officially?
Barry Conrad
So I got in like Saturday evening, so it's been like maybe three days, kind of full days sort of thing.
Melanie Avalon
So we have to talk about all things jet lag. Although before that, so direct flight from Atlanta to New York City, yeah, two hours and 10 minutes, two hours and 10 minutes to two hours and 15 minutes.
That's fast. That is, that is less than Lord of the Rings, like watching Lord of the Rings.
Barry Conrad
That's... I wasn't expecting you to say that, but that's true. Like, go into a shower.
Melanie Avalon
I've realized when it comes to time, anything that's in three-hour time chunks, I measure it by Lord of the Rings. Anything that is 10 minutes, I measure by Taylor Swift's All Too Well, the 10-minute version.
And anything that is 40 minutes, I measure by a TV show for like 20 minutes, like back when there was commercials.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, yeah, totally. Or even like the length of shows now on streaming, it's not that long. So yeah, 20 minutes tracks.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. And so wait two hours and 10 minutes. That's actually, that's even less than most movies today. I feel, or a lot of movies today.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, it's like I'll just jump into playing and it's that quick. How crazy is that?
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness. And this will be, this is old news by the time this airs, but you went to the Tonys, right?
Barry Conrad
i went to the tony awards on sunday night and it was insane so got here saturday my suit just made it because i had a suit customized for the the show and i had to pick it up after landing from this cargo carrier place and so did that sunday afternoon got rid of which the tony awards and it was the most incredible night i can't even put into words how inspired i feel how how many people were there i feel like this is like the best year could have gone like anyone you can think of was like there it was incredible mel
Melanie Avalon
That is insane. Talk about welcome to America. Welcome to New York City. What was your favorite part?
Barry Conrad
Well, Hamilton, the musical, had like a 10-year reunion, so like the cast, the original cast, performed immediately. Yes.
Melanie Avalon
No, I have to watch that. I didn't, I clearly did not watch the Tonys. If I had cable, I would watch. Oh my goodness. That's amazing.
Barry Conrad
And the whole room was like, those goosebumps, everyone was on their feet. It was crazy hysteria when that happened.
And they killed it. And then Cynthia Arevo hosted, she was amazing. Sara Bareilles sang. What did she sing? The Sun Will Come Out Tomorrow, you know, from Annie with Cynthia. They did like the stuette for people that have passed away. It was really beautiful.
Melanie Avalon
I'm seeing Waitress on Friday that she didn't, she write the music for that. Pretty sure. Yeah. That's amazing. Oh my goodness. Who'd you sit by?
Barry Conrad
I just sat with the people that I was invited with, a shout out to Michael Castle Group for making it happen, and basically Michael Castle Group, they had six Tony nominations with the picture of Dorian Gray, which is a play, and they won too, so that's amazing.
Melanie Avalon
Congrats to them. Oh my gosh, do they like go on stage and accept an award?
Barry Conrad
Yes, Sarah snook. I don't know if you know her. She was in succession. She's an Aussie actor, actually, and she's doing it on Broadway right now.
The picture of Dorian Gray and I still have to see it. Apparently, it's crazy, like amazing.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness, that's so amazing. I am so happy for you. I think I was more excited, not more excited, but I think I was almost as excited as you about you going to this.
Barry Conrad
You actually were and you would have actually loved it Mel and just it's such a different culture like everyone loves to celebrate like ambition and being a go-getter and you feel like anything really is possible here which is man just people just come up to you and just say hey I'm so and so here's my number I'd love to help you it's like why you don't even know me I just got here so this is New York you know
Melanie Avalon
That's amazing. So is that a different culture in Australia? Like that vibe is not quite there in the same way?
Barry Conrad
It's not the same because culturally, Australia is more laid back, so if you sort of a go-getter, sometimes that can be like the tall puppy. Have you heard of this thing, the tall puppy syndrome?
Melanie Avalon
Is that like an Australian term? Wait, the tall poppy syndrome. Is that what American Australians call Americans?
Barry Conrad
It's kind of, see if you can guess what that means.
Melanie Avalon
I mean, I'm guessing it means that you're being like, like, look at me, do all the things annoying.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, it's basically like they want you to like, it's more like they'll cut you down and say, Oh, why, why are you doing that? You shouldn't do that. It's too much.
Whereas in America, I feel like generally, very generally speaking, that's, that's more celebrated if you want to get ahead and they love it and people love to collaborate and it's just different that way.
Melanie Avalon
So the tall poppy syndrome is not the person who's, it's the person who cuts the poppies. Yeah, exactly.
Okay, I guess that wrong. I thought the tall poppy syndrome was referring to the, like, the person who's trying to stand tall, but it's referring to the person who cuts them down.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, it's all puppies. But you know what, in saying that, and I'll, I have to be careful, because I do love Australia. It's one of the best places in the world.
I'm not heading on it. It's just a different culture. That's all.
Melanie Avalon
Well, I also think it's not that it's selfish, I think it's two things in America. So it's very much what you're saying where we celebrate ambition and doing all the things and, you know, you can do anything and that's what America is about, which we love that. That's, yes, sign me up.
And I also think because that's the spirit of things that people, not that people are sucking up to each other, but people see that people who are ambition will make it far and people here know that you want to be with people who are ambitious. So it's kind of like, I scratch your back, you scratch mine, but like people want to, it's collaborative and everybody wins. Do you get what I'm saying?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, exactly what you're saying. And I also don't think that's necessarily bad in some cases. Like, you know, I don't think that's a conniving thing. Like, I think it's also like a survival thing.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, yeah, no, so true. It's like, and it's like literally like we just understand the importance of social relationships and, you know, and we and celebrate success.
And I think it's like, appreciated and understood how that all goes together here.
Barry Conrad
I totally agree.
And Melanie, I have to share one thing as well, what a guest, see if you can guess what my very, my very first meal was on Saturday night. And we've talked about this before. So try to think.
Melanie Avalon
Did you go to one of the things?
Barry Conrad
I didn't because I was I was too tired from but ordered in but
Melanie Avalon
That would have been like, that would have been like a lot.
Barry Conrad
Committed to the cause straight from the
Melanie Avalon
I don't even remember which ones we listed, but oh my goodness. You ordered in oysters. Oh, wait, let me think. Okay, wait. So is it something that's specific to America?
Barry Conrad
think about something that I've like gone on and on about that's like this would be like my final meal.
Melanie Avalon
Oh man, I should remember this. Okay, hold on. I should know this.
Barry Conrad
Another clue is it's pretty American. It's not really an Australian thing, really.
Melanie Avalon
Okay. You're going to tell me and I'm going to be like, is it mashed potatoes? Is it pizza? Fried chicken, fried chicken, fried chicken. I got it.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I had soul food, so fried chicken waffles, mac and cheese, you got it, yeah.
Melanie Avalon
I was going to say mac and cheese too. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I need to like, I need to like list off things and then for it to come to me. So, um, where'd you get the fried chicken from?
Barry Conrad
It's from a place called, I think it's called Sweet Chick and it's like a pretty popular place here. Everyone goes to New York, so I got it from there and it was delicious. I was kind of, in the end, getting tired while I was eating because of the jet lag, but it was so good now.
It was delicious.
Melanie Avalon
oh my goodness wow and speaking of jet lag so how have you how did you okay so how long you you said it's like how many hours from australia to here like how long was that trip total
Barry Conrad
in case of listeners and Melanie, it was first a three and a bit hour flight from Melbourne to Auckland, New Zealand, and then almost 16 hour direct flight from Auckland to New York.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so how did you so did you fast during any of that? Did you eat? What did you do?
Barry Conrad
I fasted during some of it. I fasted during all of the New Zealand flight and the waiting time and stuff, and then I ate a little bit on the plane, but I instantly regretted it because the food's just not great.
It was a mission, but I'm here now.
Melanie Avalon
Have you been using fasting to reset your circadian rhythm?
Barry Conrad
actually have so that's been really helping a lot so I've really pushed my fast I've done about 20 and a half hours today which is really good that's my first really really long normal normal fast protocol for me today so I feel much better but still getting there what about you what's the longest flight you
Melanie Avalon
Done? Wait, wait, wait. Quick question. So you're going to eat late tonight? You're going to eat after this?
Barry Conrad
So I'll probably have like a little something after this I reckon. I haven't eaten yet.
Melanie Avalon
Wow, you're doing it like Melanie style.
Barry Conrad
You know our shows, we do them in the evening listening, so I'm trying to get that Melanie schedule just to see if I like it, to see if it works with me.
Melanie Avalon
What you could do is, even if you don't like it, you could use it as a, here's my, here's my pitch for you. Are you ready? You ready for my pitch? Okay.
So say you, you could do your normal window every other day. So eat earlier. But then on these days, you could eat after. So that would give you one day a week, like a, a long, like a, that would give you like a, you know, a 36 hour fast or something, right?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I actually could do that. I could do a long, I could push it.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I can see what I'm saying like do your normal thing And then have your one day a week and then you would automatically get a long fast
Barry Conrad
Yeah, just throw it in there like a bonus, you know?
Melanie Avalon
I like it. The problem for me is that I can't, because I already eat late, there's no way for me to do it.
There's no way for me to... The cool thing about the situation with you is you could still eat every day and get in a longer fast. I can't because I eat late, so in order to get 36 hours, I would have to actually go to bed again. I'd have to sleep in an empty stomach, if that makes sense.
Barry Conrad
That's not fun.
Melanie Avalon
Which I don't like doing, but to answer your question, the longest flight, um, I've only, I've only gone to Europe, so Europe stuff. I don't know what's farthest away with, it probably would have, oh, actually Hawaii.
Isn't Hawaii far?
Barry Conrad
How was pretty far, but it depends where you're coming from because I know it's like super far from Australia, but from Atlanta, I'm not too sure
Melanie Avalon
I think now it's like looking up all the, wait, I need to see, I need to see.
Barry Conrad
I feel like the UK would be quite far because you went there for like a Thanksgiving situation.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, but it wasn't. It wasn't that far. It was only the fight with the flight from Atlanta today was like six something hours
Barry Conrad
Yeah, actually, I was someone told me yesterday, actually, that someone invited me to come to a show in the UK. And they said it's actually like maybe like a seven, eight hour flight, because Singapore to Sydney time travel situations, not that far.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it's like shockingly not as far as I thought it was. It looks like Atlanta to Hawaii. Oh, you can take a nonstop?
Barry Conrad
What did you do? Did you, you had connections?
Melanie Avalon
That's mind blowing to me. Yeah, I always thought that you connected like in LA or something. Okay, so it's nine and a half hours if you take a night, if you take a nonstop.
Barry Conrad
That's still not that bad.
Melanie Avalon
No. But then if you connect, then it's like, you know, 13 hours or something.
Welcome to New York. Did you play Taylor Swift's Welcome to New York? I should have sent that to you. Man, should have sent that to you on the day. I should have like played it. I should have sent you a message, a voice message and like played it.
Barry Conrad
Would you have sang it?
Melanie Avalon
No.
Barry Conrad
This conversation, right, about if you can sing really well.
Melanie Avalon
I sang in the past.
Barry Conrad
See, I think once a singer, always a singer. So I'll have, we might have to change that. Maybe I'll get like an exclusive.
Melanie Avalon
You'll get an exclusive performance of me singing. Yeah. Okay. Um, yeah, maybe not. We'll see. Never say never. Never say never.
Barry Conrad
Anyway, what about you? How's your week been? How's your past couple of weeks been?
Melanie Avalon
Well, it's good. I can actually, we have a question that asks about the biohacking conference so I can, I can tell you then about going to the biohacking conference. It sounds great. Perfect.
Okay. But before that, shall we do a study?
Barry Conrad
we should. So I am bringing a study today called Time-Restricted Feeding Improves Vascular Function in Healthy Humans. And it was published in 2024 by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder and appearing in the journal Atarias, Chlorosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology. And the reason why, Melanie, you know about this story already, but the reason why this hit quite close for me, hit home for me, was because a few years ago, listeners, I had a clot dislodged in my leg and shot up to my right lung. And I essentially had half of my right lung killed off. And it was a moment where it almost passed away. It almost died. And so any time, well, ever since then, I've been really cautious about anything vein or blood flow related.
So when I came across this study, linking intermittent fasting to vascular health, of course, it really appealed to me. And so this study, it involves involve 24 healthy adults aged between 25 and 55, which is not a huge, huge group of people, but the design was pretty solid. So each participant followed a four day control eating pattern first where they ate three meals spread across like a typical regular normal day. And then they switched to four days of early time restricted feeding, where all meals were consumed between 8am and 4pm. And so they were doing a clean love it, the clean 16 eight fast, but then they skewed earlier in the day that time. So what stood out now is that these weren't people with pre-existing issues, the vascular issues, they were healthy, no metabolic diseases, which makes things even more powerful. Because what the researchers saw was a significant improvement in endothelial function after just four days of time, just four days of time restricted eating. So listeners, if you don't know what that means, it's that refers to how well your blood vessels expand and contract. And it's a massive marker of like cardiovascular health. And then when it's impaired, you're looking at way higher risk for things like high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, and clot formation, which is what happened to me. So the fact that they saw measurable changes in just a few days is awesome. But it gets better too, because they went deeper and looked at nitric oxide availability as well. So that's the molecule in your body uses to relax blood vessels and improve circulation. So after fasting, nitric oxide by availability improved as well. They also saw a reduction in oxidative stress, which is basically cellular damage caused by inflammation or free radicals. And that reduction further supported improved vessel function. So all this from shifting when the people ate, not what they ate, that's the key here. Not how much, just the timing. And I think that's the key takeaway. And there's this deeper layer to fasting, you know, that to a lot of people just goes under the radar, even to people that fast all the time, forgetting that it's not just about those scale victories, you know, it's not just the weight or the glucose or the willpower,
Barry Conrad
it's literally supporting our health, you know, our vascular system. And it's something I take incredibly seriously.
So of course, this was pretty short term and small, as I said before, we need bigger, longer trials to confirm more how long these effects last. But even with the small pilot, I think one thing's pretty clear is when you eat, when we eat matters. And it's just another reminder, Mel, that IF isn't just about the visible stuff. And yeah, it's protecting you from things you might never see coming. Mel, what do you reckon?
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness, that is an incredible study. Thank you so much for finding it. And especially sharing your personal relationship to it, it's still so crazy to me that you went through that. And that just must, I don't know, that must give you so much gratitude for life, having been through that.
I think this is really, really powerful, especially because cardiovascular disease is the number one killer of people in general. I was just reading about it more the other day in a book and it was saying how pretty much, not that everybody gets it, but everybody pretty much when you die, you have some level of approaching cardiovascular disease just because of how prevalent it is and how it happens in the body. And so seeing, like reading the study, that's amazing that after only four days that they saw those effects. And then it's not just, you know, cardiovascular, anything that benefits your cardiovascular health and your vascular health benefits essentially your entire body. You know, like the brain, because the brain is relying on your vascular system to be powered. And so anything that affects your hearts, affects your brain, they call it clean fasting.
Barry Conrad
They specifically said they were doing a clean sixteen eight fast which is which is interesting right?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, yeah, that's wild.
Barry Conrad
I don't think I've seen that in a study, like mentioned specifically, like a clean fast.
Melanie Avalon
That is so interesting. I wonder, honestly, you know, Jen Stevens, who used to be the the co-host on this show, like she really is the one who popularized the idea of the clean fast. I don't know if she originated it. She definitely, you know, is probably the reason it's out there is like a concept.
Shut up. Yeah. So, well, good find. Thank you for sharing.
Barry Conrad
Of course.
Melanie Avalon
So friends, support your heart with fasting and your body and your vascular system. And I guess with nitric, I always wanna say nitrous oxide.
Barry Conrad
Yes, I am, yeah, because of the wisdom teeth.
Melanie Avalon
Nitric oxide, I mean that probably benefits sexual health as well because I mean, it's not what a phiagra does. Yeah. Yeah, so everybody Everything in your body benefits the book I'm reading right now. I'm prepping is on dementia and cognitive decline and she was talking about Like the potential of Viagra for preventing cognitive decline for that same reason because of how it relates to nitric oxide Yeah, I think the studies are conflicting.
Yeah. Okay, basically there's interest surrounding it
Barry Conrad
That's wild. It's like, take fire, granule.
Melanie Avalon
benefit your brain.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, wow.
Melanie Avalon
Alrighty, well thank you for finding!
Barry Conrad
Of course.
Melanie Avalon
Shall we jump into some listener questions?
Barry Conrad
Let's do it. So we have the first question we have is from Stephanie and she asks, are you going to the biohacking conference? Where can I get a good vitamin C serum now that beauty counter is gone? And then sad face emoji.
What do you think about stem cells?
Melanie Avalon
All right, rapid fire from Stephanie. Rapid fire with longer answers.
So are you going to the biohacking conference? Well, by the time this airs, it was a while ago. But this is what I was saying in the beginning about I can share about my the past few weeks because I did go to the biohacking conference in Austin, that's Dave Asprey's conference. Next year, it's going to be called Beyond, like the Beyond conference. I think they're rebranding a little bit. But Barry, we were talking about this. We have to go. You have to come this year.
Barry Conrad
I really wanna.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, it's so amazing. Basically, it's just all these different brands and health and wellness are all in one room. So many podcast guests are there in person. I got to hang out with a lot of people that I've had on the shows. I also got to meet a lot of new brands. So I had a lot of like back-to-back meetings, just meeting all these different brands.
Like the new ones I met were I met a company called Sillient. I'm going to have them on my podcast. This was really interesting. They make a material that you weave into fabric and it actually takes your body's heat and turns it into infrared energy and puts it back into your body. So it's like clothing that helps your body's mitochondria and your energy. Actually, this is what was mind-blowing. They're in so many big brands. They're in like body armor, like the brand Body Armor and probably like 15 other pretty well-known brands, but they just haven't done any marketing around themselves. They've been in the shadows. So now they're creating their own product. It's a pillow. They actually gave me one. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm excited.
So I met them. That was cool. I met an electrolyte company where it's like electrolytes and hydrogen water tablet type thing. I met... Oh, this was fun. He was just on Dave Asprey's podcast actually. It's... Is it the first FDA-approved oral testosterone supplement? Maybe. I don't know if it's the first.
Barry Conrad
That's a game changer if that's the case because that's going to, wow, okay.
Melanie Avalon
if it's the first. It's definitely a big deal in the testosterone replacement world, although it's funny.
So I didn't realize that it's just for men, the FDA approval. So I had a meeting with them and I walked up and I was like, I am so passionate about this. We need more awareness about testosterone for women. And he was like, well, it's just for men right now. And I was like, okay, well, if you come on the show, can we talk about women a lot? So that was cool. But yeah, it was a really great experience. I got to go to the dinner, like they have some VIP dinners, I got to go to one and, you know, meet a lot of really cool people and they were, oh, Barry, how do you feel about EDM dances? Dances?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, it's with the right crew it's fun. I think it's fun. Did you go to one?
Melanie Avalon
So I've never been to one, so this was my first one and they had an EDM dance last night and apparently it was like some really big celebrity DJ, Steve Aoki, I think is his name.
Barry Conrad
Oh yeah, I know, Steve Okey, that's awesome.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, so he was the DJ and and what was cool is because it's just the conference. So it wasn't like it wasn't that I mean, it was it was a good group, like it was a good crowd. So it was fun, but it wasn't like horrendously, you know, you can't breathe crowded situation.
You know, it was like in a ballroom at a at a hotel. So that was fun.
Barry Conrad
Did you really get your dance on or were you being shy or were you really getting into it?
Melanie Avalon
Oh no, I love dancing, yeah, yeah, I was really into it and then somebody came up and handed me, handed me and my sister these like chocolates, chocolates, slightly psychedelic chocolates, we did not take them but I saved them, so I might.
Barry Conrad
It's like mushrooms or something, what is it?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. Yeah. So not that I have those anymore, but if I did, yep, we'll see. Stay tuned.
Barry Conrad
Stay tuned, dot dot dot.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I highly recommend the conference. That's the question.
That was Stephanie's question. Friends definitely go, oh, and if you go, please come up to me and say hi, because I would love to meet people in person. That's honestly one of my favorite things.
Barry Conrad
No, honestly, I saw some of your photos and it looked, it looked amazing. Like I looked, I cannot wait to go and daddy, your sister as well said, Barry, Barry, you have to come to the conference. It's really good.
I'm like, well, you've got to make it happen.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, now it turned her into a biohacker. Now she's like, I think she, she was like on the fence. I don't know if she would identify as a biohacker, but she, this, this was the thing that like really sold it for her for, um, like, like, you know, liking, liking this world, I guess.
And we got to go see, she loves Jodha Spenza and we got to see Jodha Spenza. That was cool. See you next time. Bye.
Barry Conrad
So question about the dinner, the VIP dinner, you said, did you follow your fasting protocol? Did you eat? What kind of food did they have there?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, yeah. So I don't so that's my third time going to that dinner. And yeah, I didn't I didn't eat anything. And this is funny. So the table I was sitting at, I was sitting with a friend because it's like open seating and you can sit wherever. So I went and sat by one of my good friends. I met him through the company Stemmergem. I've had them on the show before. But in any case, at my table, so my friend was on one side of me and then on my other side was a bodyguard because somebody at the table was like that important that he had three bodyguards in the room. And I was telling my friend I and then and then Martin Luther King, sorry, Martin Luther King's like grandson. He was speaking at the conference, he came in the room and that was a lot of a high security situation. And that was right by me. And so I had a moment I was like, I'm either at this moment at like, the safest place or the least safe place. I'm not sure, probably both existing at the same time.
So yeah, it's a very high security room. It was it was really fun to answer your question with the food. The food was I think it was I gave mine away to everybody. I think it was steak. Yeah, I didn't eat any of it. Do you like you love steak? I know, but I don't I eat and then I go to bed. I you know, so if I so yeah, if I were to eat, I would just like fall asleep. It would take me out of my vibe.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I get it.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it was fun. You must come!
Barry Conrad
I'm dead. It's happening.
Melanie Avalon
next year. And literally, we would get to hang out so much because it's if we stay in the hotel that it's in, you're just like there.
And so you like go to the stuff and then you hang out like I then afterwards, I went in the hotel lobby both nights until like really, really late hanging out with people. It's so fun.
Barry Conrad
It's happening, putting it out there.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, yes, yes.
Barry Conrad
Bookmark at this moment. Let's remember it.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Okay. So those are my, my answer to that. And then where can I get a good vitamin C serum now that beauty counter has gone well, Stephanie, by the time this airs, assuming they don't push the launch beauty counter supposedly came back June 25th. So hopefully that happened because we're recording before that. So that's really exciting, but it's actually not called beauty counter anymore. It's called counter. I'm assuming my link will be counter.com slash Melanie Avalon. They haven't told us yet how the link is going to work. Either way, counter.com put me as your reference. That should get you, that'll get you on my, my list. And I send free things to people. So definitely, definitely check that out. And another alternative is crunchy. I talk about them a lot. I love them. They also have a vitamin C serum. So they're great for that. You can go to crunchy.com slash Melanie Avalon for that use the code advocate 10 to get 10% off your first order. And then also I am obsessed with oral glutathione or so oral wellness is vitamin C serum. So there's this called citrine. I use it every night. It's really, really powerful for that. Go to Melanie Avalon.com slash oral AURO. And then you can go to oral skincare, which is in the top left and definitely check out their citrine serum. It's super high potency. It's 25% vitamin C and glutathione. It's a complex of those. It's ridiculously powerful. I did it again. Sorry. It's ridiculously powerful. He's actually, I saw him. So Dr. Patel, he's the one that's his company and I love him. He has a book called the Glutathione Revolution. I'm actually going to bring him on this show on the intermittent fasting podcast. So stay tuned for that. Oh, he told me that he's trying to make an even a higher potency one that's like 50%, but he's trying to figure out how to do it with the bottles because it literally like breaks down the bottles. So he's workshopping that. Those are my ideas for vitamin C serum.
And I'm just assuming that that beauty count are now counter. Well, I'm sure they'll bring back their vitamin C serum because that was one of their most popular things. And then for her last... Oh, and by the way, really quickly, if you want to get the latest updates from me on all these things, you can go to melanieavilon.com slash cleanbeauty. And wait, wait, wait, Barry, are you going to have a... I forgot. I know we went through your lineup. Are you going to have a vitamin C serum in your lineup?
Barry Conrad
Not yet. We're going to have a vitamin A serum. Yep. But stay tuned.
Melanie Avalon
Like a retinol alternative? Awesome. Okay.
So and then the last question, what do you think about stem cells? Okay, that's a big question. So I mentioned stem region a second ago, they make a supplement that supports your body's endogenous release of your own stem cells. And so stem cells are super powerful. If you want to learn more about all the science of it, definitely check out I've done two episodes with Christian Japro. He's, he owns that stem region company. Stem region is actually the title sponsor of the biohacking conference. So when you go to the biohacking conference, there's like a million sponsors, but stem region is like everywhere because they're the main sponsor. They're incredible. I adore them. Shout out to Stephanie and Christian. I'll put links in the show notes to the two episodes that I've done with them, because you will get the deepest dive of deep dive into stem cells, how they work in the body, what they do. Essentially, for people who are not familiar, we naturally have inside of us these, they're like immortal cells, basically, they're cells that there's different types, but they can become anything. So most cells in our body are differentiated into what they are. So like a liver cell knows that it's a liver cell, and it's not going to become anything else. You know, and your bone cells are bone cells, they're just going to be bone cells. Stem cells, they're like this blank slate. And when your body needs repair, or it needs to, you know, fix things, things that happen with aging, stem cells get released from your bone marrow, and they go to that part of the body and then they can actually repair and become that thing. That's why they're so powerful for healing. And that's why people will do like stem cell treatments. And the idea with stem cell treatments is that you are bringing in these cells that can basically, you know, repair things. Christian is very much sold on the idea that they are, you know, literally the fountain of youth and that he thinks aging and death even is depletion of stem cells. Like he thinks that when we die, it's, you know, we basically capped out, we tapped out with our stem cells. He is more about, like I said, endogenous release, because basically you have this bank of stem cells that you can have, but our bodies don't always release them or use them. So his supplement that he has, and he has a whole story about how he found it, like it was this supplement that was having these profound effects with people's healing. And then he realized the connection to stem cells. And it's like this wild journey. But so that's one option is the endogenous release, I do really recommend stem regen. It's incredible.
Barry Conrad
It's a good name too, Stemmergen.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, yeah, it really is. So for that, you can get 15% off, go to Melanie Avalon.com slash stem regen S T E M R E G E N and use the code Melanie Avalon to get 15% off.
And then as far as like stem cell treatments. So I think there's a lot of potential there. It's still this weird gray area. Like it's not, it's gotten better, I think, but there's been a lot of, like I think technically stem cell treatments are illegal in the US, but people get around them by doing like exosomes or, or doing stem cells, but like tweaking it and labeling it as exosomes. Like I've done a stem cell treatment in the US. And it was actual stem cells. It wasn't exosomes. I don't know how they got around that, but they did. A lot of people will travel out of the US and get treatment and it's way cheaper out of the US. Basically, my comments on it are, I think it has so much potential. I wish that there was more research on it and that the legality issue would get more easier and clearer in the US because it is, you know, difficult to, it's difficult to find, difficult to go with somebody who trusts with all the issues surrounding it. And I think there's a lot of potential, but I just wish there was more studies.
Oh, that was a lot. Do you have thoughts Barry on vitamin C serums, biocompare and stem cells, all the things.
Barry Conrad
I feel like you answered that beautifully, Melanie. I don't think there's anything that I could add that could be any better than that. That was great.
Melanie Avalon
Have you done anything with stem cells before or thought about it?
Barry Conrad
I actually haven't I was gonna ask you the what what inspired you to to get stem cell treatment like why was it a health issue going at the time and did you feel any different after that process.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. So it was an opportunity that was presented to me. It was a practice that wanted to collaborate. So they were starting to do stem cell treatments at their clinic and they basically offered to to do it for me at like the cost of basically they just charged me for the stem cells. They didn't upcharge anything as far as like I got it for a really good price is the point.
And they also used me for training. So like everybody was watching when they did it. The reason I was really interested in doing it was I had this injury in my knee that happened. I know when it happened. It happened actually when I went to D.C. for beauty counter in was that 2021? And my knee just always had this. It was really, really bad in the beginning, like the pain and then wasn't really going away. And it's hard to know. Basically, I don't have that issue now. It's gone. The issue is completely gone.
What's hard to know is they say it takes like six months from the injection until you'll feel better. So it's hard to know. It's hard to know like, Oh, well, would I have been better anyways after six months? You know what I'm saying? I think it would be more telling if I had done it on an injury. I don't have one of these, but if I'd had an injury that I'd had for like a decade, you know, or like at least like longer where I was like certain it wasn't going away. And then yeah.
Barry Conrad
Otherwise, it's like, is this placebo or is this the actual, yeah, I get what you're saying.
Melanie Avalon
Did I just, did my body heal on its own anyways? Um, but I do know, I mean, it is completely gone now. So I just know the injection was way worse than I thought it was going to be.
Barry Conrad
Like, what do you mean? Like, just like a big needle? Like, what's, what's
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, yeah, the needle was massive massive like the biggest needle I've ever seen and then He they freeze the skin so he froze it and he's like you're not gonna really feel it cuz it's gonna be frozen Oh, and it was so painful And it took so long like like to like push it in and I was just like in my head I was like, oh, this is not this does not feel good. This is not feel good
Barry Conrad
Did they give you anything to deal, handle that pain or not?
Melanie Avalon
No, no, in retrospect, I probably would have doped myself up before, but we survived. So it probably, it probably helped that so many people were watching because, you know, then you're in like performance mode and like fight or flight, you know?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, exactly. It was really interesting what you said about the theory on stem cells being, you know, us dying or even aging as lack of stem cells or stem cells being depleted, that I've never heard before.
That's interesting.
Melanie Avalon
It's really interesting. I mean, that's just his theory, and he's very open that that's just a theory for him, but that's what he thinks it is. He thinks death is like stem cell exhaustion.
Barry Conrad
So basically, you know, in some reality, let's go to like this, the stem cell vending machine, and just buy like a new cartridge and just like you measure like battery levels going up and you rejuvenate it again. Like I'm just, you know, some futuristic universe. That's maybe a thing.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, well, what's really interesting is I mentioned stem cells being immortal and I should clarify, I don't mean that they're immortal, but what I mean is basically, at any given point in your body, you have these cells that are young cells. Like the stem cells are, even if you're old and you even if you're like, you know, in your 70s or 80s, and you release endogenous stem cells, those stem cells are young, you know, and then they can become anything.
And Dr. Walter Longo talks about this as well in his book. He talks, maybe it was David Sinclair, one of them, maybe both of them. People talk about as well, how it seems like in theory, our bodies would hold the key to immortality because we can make embryos that are like a, you know, a brand new human. So it's like if we can do that, in theory, it's possible for cells to become, you know, completely new and young again.
Barry Conrad
Very interesting. So.
Melanie Avalon
Yep.
Barry Conrad
And I know that you, and I know that Melanie, listeners probably already know this as well, your thoughts on longevity as well, on living, you wanted to live, you know, live a long, live a long life. Live forever.
Melanie Avalon
I'm I'm all about it. So
Barry Conrad
Only if you look the same, right? Not like not.
Melanie Avalon
Right. Yeah, I'd like to like tap. I'd like to, yeah, plateau at a certain or age backwards, if required. It's funny, whenever I hear stem cells, because I was raised in a very Christian church and it was during the time and I went to a Christian private school and it was during the time that there was all the stem cell controversy was when I was in like high school, I think. I remember hearing like stem cells and like thinking, oh, those are really bad because because there was a lot of controversy around embryonic stem cells.
But what I want to clarify now is it's not, well, a few things. One, the embryonic stem cells they were using presumably were stem cells that would have been thrown away anyways, but that's a whole, that's a whole another topic. Now it's not, it's typically not embryonic stem cells that are used. It's typically, it could come from a lot of different places, but it came from like the placenta rather than the embryo. There's other places it can come from. I should be more knowledgeable on this, but it's not typically embryonic stem cells that are being used today is my point. That's super fascinating, Mel. I know. I'll be really curious. I'll be curious to see what happens in the future with all of this. So should we have our proverbial breaking of our fast?
Barry Conrad
We actually should and you know what I think today more than any of the show in recent times I feel like super ready so like this is going to be awesome.
Melanie Avalon
because you're fasted, right? Well, actually, wait, you're normally fasted, right? Or normally you're fasted, but it hasn't been as long. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you're feeling it. Okay, yeah, welcome to my world. Again, how many times can I say that? I'm picking this one, right? Yes, so I have a surprise for you. It's not a Disney restaurant. It's not? No, and actually, I was actually gonna do another non-Disney one, but then today, a listener, shout out to Christina, she suggested this restaurant.
Barry Conrad
Oh wow. Shout out Christina.
Melanie Avalon
I know. So I'm going to tell it to you, but first I want to read her message about it. Can I read her messages?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, let's hear it.
Melanie Avalon
So this is where she lives, I guess. So she said, we're going out to dinner Saturday evening to our favorite place.
And I was just playing the menu game and realized that this is one for Mel and Barry Conrad. She said, and then I asked her, why does she like it? And she said, the quality of the food is off the hook. The diversity of the dishes, the varietal of meats. There's always something so different and the vibe is fun. When you read the menu, you can see that they've got a great sense of humor, very tongue in cheek. Barry will flip for the oyster caviar service menu and all the spirits. I think you will be very happy with the wine list. I am a big fan of the cocktails. They're also on the SOS app, the Seed Oil Safe app. And then she says, last time we went, there was a rack of lamb that was amazing, but I didn't see it this time. They changed it up frequently. I can't wait to see what you guys order.
Barry Conrad
Wow, that sounds delicious, Christine. Thanks so much for the tip.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, and so when I looked at the menu, it's really cool. They're into like all sustainable and local sourcing and they have wine awards. So let me send you the link.
Barry Conrad
Hey, let's, I can't wait to check it out now. That lamb sounded legit. I love lamb so much.
Melanie Avalon
So it's called Perron's Restaurant and Bar, changing lives one dish at a time. And they say, let me see where it is. So it is in Polly's Island, South Carolina. They say on their main page. So they say that their menu is always a work in progress, that they always evolve and change it with the goal of creating one of the area's most unique, exciting and delicious food experiences.
They consider it world cuisine with a Mediterranean focus. They're all about local and organically sourced when available. Their proteins are growth hormone and antibiotic free. They use local poultry farms, ranchers, fishermen, crabbers, clamors and shrimpers, sustainably farmed salmon. And let's see, they're very serious about their cocktails, wines and beers. They have a wine spectator award-winning wine list and they have a core event so that you can, you know, try vintage and price your wines. So shall we look?
Barry Conrad
Let's have a look. I'm going to click on the, should I click on the menu here? Appetizers.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Okay. So appetizers. Wait. Hey, so app. Okay, wait. So we have options. So there's appetizers, entrees, chop house, caviar service oysters. Should we look first at the caviar service oysters?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I reckon that'll be before, you know, like before the substantial entrees. Okay, perfect.
Melanie Avalon
So, well, we know, we know how I feel about oysters at the moment, at the moment, but I like caviar. So what would you get from this?
Barry Conrad
Okay. And here's that word again, shucked. So I'm going to get, there's oyster shooters, listen, so fresh shucked oyster of the day. I'm not going to, there's the Japanese Bloody Mary. I don't love Bloody Mary drinks in general, so I don't think I'm going to like that one.
There's the caviar oyster shooter, which is, oh, there's the caviar, sorry, which is American hackleback Russian standard platinum vodka, creme fraiche, seaved egg, and chives. I reckon I'm going to do that. And then I'm also going to do, uh, there's so many options here. I'm, ah, what I'm going to do the, the gold service Royal Beluga.
Melanie Avalon
I knew you were going to get that. How'd you know? Because you like the... We talked about the Volugas, the fancy pants one, right?
Barry Conrad
Yep and it's got like warm blini, seed oil-free sea salt, kettled potato chips, creme fraiche, seed farm egg chives, chilled caviar. So delicious. What about you Mel?
Melanie Avalon
I love that they put seed oil free on the menu.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, that's specific. It's good.
Melanie Avalon
So I think I like the, I want to try the smoked trout row and chips, but not the chips, but it can be on the side.
Barry Conrad
So can I have those? Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
you can so like plain do they have just wait caviar eggs so they don't have just plain caviar right oh oh yeah they do yeah they do the silver service oh right oh well you got the royal beluga caviar so i'll i'll like taste that if you'll let me taste it and then and then i'll take wait you did get some oysters right or did you not
Barry Conrad
I got some oysters shooted. I got the...
Melanie Avalon
Oh, right, wait.
Barry Conrad
Oh, I didn't get oysters, I said, I didn't get oysters, no, no, no, no, no. Oysters in the half shell, I'll do that for sure, fresh oysters.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, well, I will maybe taste one of those.
Barry Conrad
It's gonna happen now. It's closer. It's more of a chance now that I live here because I you know I feel like I'm creeping in it's coming in and it's gonna happen
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. I'll taste it for you. I'll take one for the team. That's why I'm here.
Barry Conrad
Should we go to the appetizer slash entrees?
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Or wait, yes, yes, yes.
And there's also the steakhouse or the chop house option. Oh, it's all on here as well. Oh, it's on here. Oh, and it's the chop house. Oh, this is the full menu it looks like. Okay, so starters. Is there a starter that you like?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, the starters, you know what, I'm definitely going to do, have to do a burrata. I love burrata cheese so much. I'm doing that.
I'm going to have the, from what I can see here, there's dry aged salmon roulettes. That sounds really good. It's a spreadable dip, poached coho salmon, dry aged in house, smoked salmon per nod, salt and shallots, lemon zest, butter and crème fraiche. So the toasted baguettes, that sounds really good. And then last but not least, I have to get the mussels, Bangkok mussels. You, Mel, you haven't tried mussels, right? Have you? You said this. It could be a lucky day, oysters and mussels.
Melanie Avalon
if I can, like, get to, actually, I might, seeing what's on the muscles, I might actually just, I might try them in the, the sauce. Maybe, maybe, we'll see.
I think I would get maybe the Wagyu steak tartare, plain, everything on the side, if possible. Oh, it's from Georgia.
Represent. And yes, yeah, yep. And I don't have to specify how to order because tartare is rare or raw, which we love. I love
Barry Conrad
Blue Raw. Also Mel, I just realized I could have gone to this place because I went to Charleston a couple years ago. If we had been doing the show then I could have ducked in.
Melanie Avalon
Oh man, next time.
Barry Conrad
Okay, well, should we go down to the soup and salad? You into the soup and salad, are you going to skip that?
Melanie Avalon
I'm gonna skip. Feel free to get something though, if you like.
Barry Conrad
You know what, I'm just going to do the crab soup because I do love a good seafood chowder type situation. So North Carolina, lump blue crab.
You know how I feel about trying things from the actual area. So doing that crab soup.
Melanie Avalon
And I love what they say, I mean, you didn't get a salad, but all of their dressings are made in house from scratch with no processed or refined oils. So there's no trans fats. And they use non GMO, expeller pressed avocado oil and cold pressed extra virgin olive oil. That's super cool. That's first.
Barry Conrad
It's good.
Melanie Avalon
It's for all the, because there's all the concerns about the seed oils. Okay, for Andre, what are you going to get? This looks, there's so many things I want.
Barry Conrad
I know. Oh man. Uh, what am I going to get? Okay.
Here we go. I feel like I'm going to do the, the USDA prime ribeye 16 ounce. It's a prime chop. I'm going to get that medium rare. And then I'm also going to get with that side of mushrooms and onions. Love mushrooms so much. Bacon, mac and cheese and some roasted butternut squash.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, I'm gonna get definitely the elk tenderloin for sure, grass-fed pasture raise, cooked sous vide to medium rare. Oh, specified, I wonder if I can get it rare. I'm gonna ask if I can get it rare. I'll get everything on the side.
It's a lingonberry and pork sauce. If you wanna try it, otherwise I'll get it without it. I'll try it. Okay, on the side, lingonberry and pork sauce, organic grain, medley and grilled vegetable. And then I also want a fish. So depending on what the fresh catch of the day, okay, so if the fresh catch is trout, then I will get that.
Otherwise, interesting that it's a dry aged salmon. That's interesting. Well, I think it depends. Yeah, either the fresh catch, depending on what it is, or then I might switch it up and get duck, which is jurgle wicks. I don't know what that is. Duck breast, pan seared, two potato mash and grilled vegetable, blackberry pork demigle.
Barry Conrad
That sounds pretty good. The Blackberry report doing glaze sounds interesting.
Melanie Avalon
Interesting, too, that the fish is, that they already say how it's prepared, you know, that they don't adjust it based on what the fish is, but it's with black forbidden rice with a sauce of saffron, preserved lemon, shallots, white wine, shrimp stock, and cream. So it must always be a fish that goes well with that, you know.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, the combination. Yeah. I actually drink many. We need to definitely check out their wireless cocktails.
Melanie Avalon
Oh yes, and the dessert.
Barry Conrad
Happy ending slash liquid dessert slash dessert. Let's do that first.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, I like the quote says seize the moment. Remember all those women on the Titanic who waved off the dessert cart. Alcohol and dessert because adulting is hard.
Barry Conrad
I like that. I like these quotes. Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
Me too.
Barry Conrad
Is anyone catching? Is anything anyone? Is anything catching your eye on this dessert menu, Mel, that you can see?
Melanie Avalon
Desserts, I will probably get another entree, some fish or something. If I were to order a dessert in my, you know, dream world where I eat desserts. Oh, wait, these are drinks. Where's the actual?
Barry Conrad
If you go all the way right down to the bottom of the page.
Melanie Avalon
Probably, I would just get the house made ice cream.
Barry Conrad
Yeah? Mm-hmm. That sounds pretty good.
Melanie Avalon
How about you?
Barry Conrad
I'm gonna get a couple of things, see if you can guess.
Melanie Avalon
I think you want the warm chocolate layer cake. Yep, you got it. And you're going to add a scoop of ice cream. Yep, you got it. And then you want, do you want creme brulee?
Barry Conrad
Yes. Well, I was going to say, how'd you know? It's like, Barry, we've done this.
I'm a creature of heaven when it comes to ordering food. I think Melanie knows that. I think you all listening know that as well.
Melanie Avalon
Was there another one that you wanted or those two?
Barry Conrad
I think those two because I had, I've added a couple of things in the savory. So I reckon that's pretty good.
And then definitely to find a, they said they were famous for their cocktails, right? So yeah.
Melanie Avalon
and I'm gonna look for the wine list while you're looking at the cocktails. See, we work well as a team.
Barry Conrad
See? I already know what I want from the cocktails.
Melanie Avalon
Do you see a cocktail that you like?
Barry Conrad
I do. So I am eyeing the chili margarita. Surprise, surprise. Gonna do that.
And then also I'm going to try the casa fresca, which is like fresh muddled mint, lime and cucumber, agave, splash of grapefruit, and club soda.
Melanie Avalon
I, okay, this wine list is really low.
Barry Conrad
And if you happen to spot a decent looking Pinot Grigio mill, I definitely will get that for like the table. AKA probably, I don't know if you'd have it, but I'd be sipping in that as well.
Melanie Avalon
They have a Pinot Grigio from Italy and they have one from Oregon.
Barry Conrad
I'd probably go the idly one.
Melanie Avalon
And then for me, I'd have to look up and find if these are organic or not, but I would probably get something French. They have a few bougoulets. I love bougoulets.
So I probably, they have four bougoulets from France. So I think I would look up those and see which one is organic. And because they have a, see what it says about the tasting. I'm guessing that, because they said earlier that they had the Coravinne, so I wonder if they, if you can like taste the ones by the bottle, that would be super cool if you can. I'm not sure if you can. So something French, I'm thinking, oh, or am I get, they have two burgundies. So maybe one of those.
Barry Conrad
Either way, they weren't lying when they said they had a long list. It looks pretty good from what you're saying.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, they have four burgundy pinot noirs. Okay. So yes, I basically would look through the four burgundy pinot noirs and the four Bourgeois, and I probably would do, I would do one of those to be determined. So thank you, Christina, for the recommendation.
Thanks for the, thanks so much, Christina. We're going to have to check it out when we're there sometime.
Barry Conrad
The restaurant tour we were doing was going to be like a spin-off like it's going to be.
Melanie Avalon
That would be so fun. We could go to every restaurant that we've had that we've like mentioned.
Barry Conrad
You'll like whittle it down like you look this massive tall and then people get to see actually what you know how we eat really for real
Melanie Avalon
really fun. That'd be a lot of travel though. I don't know if I got to like, I got to prepare myself mentally for that. That's yeah, we'll think about that.
Barry Conrad
We may need to do like maybe like a road trip version, like just in America or something, or just Europe, or just pick a country and then...
Melanie Avalon
Maybe once I have a private jet and we can just like easily go there. I don't know if I can do all that trouble.
Barry Conrad
Barry's doing it, I'll just sleep. You can video me in. So funny, sounds good.
Melanie Avalon
All right. Well, this was super fun. Listeners, we hope you enjoyed today's show.
These show notes will be at ifodcast.com slash episode 436. Those show notes will have a full transcript as well as links to everything that we talked about. So definitely check that out. And you can get all the stuff that we like at ifodcast.com slash stuff we like. You can follow us on Instagram. We are ifodcast. I am Melanie Avalon, Barry as Barry underscore Conrad. And I think that's all the things. Anything from you, Barry, before we go?
Barry Conrad
No, thank you so much for tuning in everyone and we will chat to you next time. Talk to you soon, Mel.
Melanie Avalon
talk to you next week. Bye.
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