Welcome to Episode 456: Special Anniversary Part 1 of The Intermittent Fasting Podcast, hosted by Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What When Wine Diet: Lose Weight And Feel Great With Paleo-Style Meals, Intermittent Fasting, And Wine, and Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC.
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Featured Restaurant: Cinderella's Royal Table
STUDIES
Daily energy expenditure through the human life course
Enjoyment or indulgence: What draws the line in hedonic food consumption?
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TRANSCRIPT
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Melanie Avalon
Welcome to Episode 456 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy, and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat with no calorie counting, then this show is for you.
I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What, When, Wine. Lose weight and feel great with paleo-style meals, intermittent fasting, and wine. And I'm joined by my co-hosts, Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC. For more on us, check out MelanieAvalon.com and BarryConradOfficial.com. You can submit questions for the show by emailing questions at iapodcast.com or by going to iapodcast.com. We would love to hear from you. Please remember, the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment. So pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine if it's that time, and get ready for the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. Hi, everybody, and welcome. This is episode number 456 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon. I'm Barry Conrad. Barry, I paused because I was going to say something really sparkly about anniversary episode, but then I realized it's also episode 456. It's kind of fun.
Barry Conrad
That is kind of fun actually. Do you think it means anything? What do you think? What's your feeling of that number being read out?
Melanie Avalon
My feeling is we look for patterns in life and they don't mean anything.
Barry Conrad
Pattern recognition with no meaning.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Because there's so many numbers where it could have been that situation.
It could have been three, two, one. It could have been seven, seven, seven. It could have been one, one, one. Literally it could have been anything.
Barry Conrad
11 11
Melanie Avalon
Oh, man, episode 1,111.
Barry Conrad
Because I saw someone, there's someone that I follow who always posts like a photo at 11 11 like it's a thing. She always does that.
Melanie Avalon
I love 11-11. Why? Because it's like the one time where you have this magical moment and then if you see it, then you can like text it to people.
Barry Conrad
Okay, it's good to know for the future.
Melanie Avalon
Do you never text 11-11 make a wish to anybody? You're gonna start getting it from me.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, there you go. I've got to start doing it.
Melanie Avalon
It's great. Yeah.
But yes, for listeners, this is our one year anniversary of Barry Conrad being the co-host of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. Actually, technically, I think tomorrow would be that day, but it was very close.
Barry Conrad
It's very close and it's super exciting. We realized this, I think last week or another episode where it's like, hey, is it our anniversary next week?
What? That just changed the game and what we're gonna do for the show, but I'm so excited. I can't believe it's been a year. It doesn't feel like a year, but it also has felt like ages. Like we were doing this forever. Do you know what I mean?
Melanie Avalon
Yes, exactly. I'm just so grateful. I just had the best time doing this show. It's so fun.
So for listeners, for this episode, and we decided to go ahead and make it a two parter because we know how we talk. So we're going to catch up like normal. And then we have some fun questions about the podcast, about our co hosting, we think that'll be really fun. And then we will still do our traditional restaurant at the end. And we're going to make them anniversary worthy restaurants.
Barry Conrad
very fitting for the occasion. I'm so excited.
Melanie Avalon
And I'm excited because when we were brainstorming for what to do for this episode and next episode, we actually found some other cool ideas for future episodes.
Barry Conrad
So stay tuned.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, stay tuned. So how are things in your world?
Barry Conrad
Things are great, you know, Mel, I have to say on the weekend, I went to see, even though this is in the future on the weekend, I went to see something that you saw as well. You want to guess what that is?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, I love guessing games, especially when they involve seeing things, a show.
Barry Conrad
It's something that you watch, it's not something that you sit in the front row for necessarily.
Melanie Avalon
You will be wicked.
Barry Conrad
Yes, you got it.
Melanie Avalon
We are so, okay, so this comes out January 12th. Everybody, if you haven't been wicked yet.
Barry Conrad
You have to see it. Hopefully it's still in the cinema. I don't know.
But Mel, I had a few wild facts about this movie that really blew me away. Like, you know, I, you know, because apparently John Chiu, John M. Chiu, incredible director, you know, he was so serious about making it feel real and not like overly CGI because I thought it was CGI, but he actually wanted to make people feel like they were walking around Oz. And because of that, something like I want to say like over 90 percent, well, actually over 90 percent of the sets were practical, like real built.
Melanie Avalon
Oh really?
Barry Conrad
Isn't that insane?
Melanie Avalon
That's a me. I want to see it again and I'm going to appreciate that while watching it.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, which explains a lot, and Munchkin land, they actually planted 9 million tulips in the English countryside to build that world, not a million.
Melanie Avalon
Wait wait wait so the shots of the flowers those were all real.
Barry Conrad
Mmhmm.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness. I'm realizing in real time, I thought those were the poppies, but those weren't the poppies, those were tulips.
Barry Conrad
There are puppies in another scene, but the tulips are like the pink ones. You know those pink ones?
Melanie Avalon
Mm hmm. No, I distinctly remember it. And I think I attributed it to poppies as well. And I was I was like, those don't look like poppies. Okay.
Barry Conrad
And how many, how many months do you reckon it took the shiz university set to be built? It's under 10 over two.
Melanie Avalon
eight, seven, five.
Barry Conrad
four five six
Melanie Avalon
Still.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, amazing, right?
Melanie Avalon
Wow, thank you. That's a good fun fact.
Barry Conrad
And last but not least, the train, 16 tons, built for real. It's a real train.
Melanie Avalon
That's amazing. That must be so incredible to be an actor and to get to be on that set. Right? Like how cool would that be? Cause that's like the closest you're going to get to like being in a world like that.
Barry Conrad
As far as we know, a sparkly mythical world. What did you actually think of it? Did you like it? Did you love it? Did you like it more than the first one?
Melanie Avalon
I actually answered this question with a friend today. So I loved it.
I do think I prefer the first one a little bit more, but I still loved it. It was interesting that they added in new songs. I want to know if Stephen Schwartz did those songs. Do you know?
Barry Conrad
I actually don't know that because which ones were I know the ones I recognize like Because I knew like like for good and as long as you're mine, but I don't know the other ones
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, so the No Place Like Home song was new, and then The Girl in the Bubble, Elphaba and Glinda got a new song. And yes, Steven Schwartz did write them for the film. They also added in a lot of small singing moments, which I don't think are in the the play or the the stage version. I'm fairly certain. Like it was like repriezes of other songs that happened like three times maybe. And I think I could be wrong.
Barry Conrad
You know, every time I saw Ariana Grande as Glinda, I just keep on thinking of you and your, you know, your Halloween and just the dress up moments, like, you know, the long dresses and, you know, all that.
Melanie Avalon
You know, it's funny, I actually, because I did wear my Glinda from part one to the movie. And for some reason, I was like embarrassed or nervous or embarrassed.
Why? I don't know. But then once I got there, everybody was so supportive. It was wild and that quickly changed. Then I was good.
Barry Conrad
I thought it looked right.
Melanie Avalon
Thank you. I was definitely the only person there though in like full, full character besides the characters that they had to take pictures with because our movie theater goes all out.
Which type of movie theater did you see it in?
Barry Conrad
I actually went to one that's like just around the corner and it's kind of one of those really intimate low key ones, like really small, like hardly any, like, you know, like a few seats. It was really cool.
It was like having a private screening room.
Melanie Avalon
Nice. Like recliner seats and everything? Yes. That's the way it is. Once you go to that type of movie theater, I can never go back now to like a normal theater.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, trying to scoot through rows and try, you know, like, sorry, sorry, you know, rows of people.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I need my recliner, my heated seat, my wine, I need all the things.
Barry Conrad
Tell me about you. How has your week been?
Melanie Avalon
So good. I had the most magical, no pun intended show experience on Sunday, which I already told you some of this, Barry, but this is perfect example of why you must be on the front row while seeing shows.
Why? So I went to a magical Cirque Christmas. Again, this is in January, but actually we're recording this in November. Oh, that's a side note. How do you feel about Christmas before Thanksgiving? Like Christmas stuff, like music, or I don't like it.
Barry Conrad
I never ever had an opinion about that until now, because in Australia, we didn't have that. So it's like just Christmas from November 1st all the way through.
But now that I'm here, like November 1st or even before.
Melanie Avalon
What? Before?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, just like Christmas songs in the mall and Christmas decorations going up. Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
In October? Yep. Oh my goodness. Okay. So you were raised. Okay.
Barry Conrad
But then now it's like Thanksgiving, it's almost like they're battling it out. Like Thanksgiving's happening, but there's still Christmas carols being played in the mall and the store and there's decorations everywhere.
What about you? What do you think?
Melanie Avalon
I feel very, very strongly about this. So October is the month of Halloween. Everything should be themed accordingly, spooky stuff, jack-o'-lanterns, et cetera.
November is the month of Thanksgiving. Pumpkins but not jack-o'-lanterns, pumpkins, but like pumpkin vibe, thankful vibe. I don't want to hear any Christmas. No, no, no. I just think Christmas is so sacred that it cannot happen until the day after Thanksgiving wherever that may fall.
Barry Conrad
So is that the rule like the day after like the clock strikes 12 the day after Thanksgiving then? Mariah Carey or whatever whatever Christmas songs and just like
Melanie Avalon
I had to listen to Christmas on Sunday because it was a Christmas show, but I will not play a Christmas song until the day after Thanksgiving.
Barry Conrad
This is really a new experience. I love this. I've never, I didn't know you had this opinion A and B. I didn't know that maybe other Americans share the same thought. I wonder if they do.
Melanie Avalon
Well, what's funny is my friend Sarah that I went to the show with, it's funny because we equally love Christmas, and yet that manifests in the different ways in that she puts up her tree after Halloween, which I think is sacrilegious, and she says, I'm not in the Christmas spirit. I'm like, no, no, no, I just appreciate Christmas and it is so special that it cannot happen until December.
Barry Conrad
So you won't, when will you put your tree up and are you excited to, is your tree going to be different to past years or the same one?
Melanie Avalon
It's always the same, which is a collection and this is so untimely for listeners. I'm so sorry, but It's always a collection of childhood ornaments ornaments from musicals and ornaments from Taylor Swift and the Taylor Swift and the musical ones is a collection that forever grows because More musicals and Taylor keeps popping out those ornaments I just got five more Taylor Swift ones five.
Yeah, she literally has like 50 on her website
Barry Conrad
Also, she keeps making music, so there you go.
Melanie Avalon
I did go and see A Magical Cirque Christmas, which I thought was Cirque du Soleil. It's actually not, I mean, it's like Cirque du Soleil, but they're not affiliated.
It's a touring Broadway-type show and it's also a magic show. Wow. Yes, and we were on the front row and I did get picked for a trick. See, this is why you must be on the front row. And then they remembered me, so then they invited me to hang out with them after, like the whole cast. And see, that would not happen if I had not been on the front row. See?
Barry Conrad
So did you do your eyes? Because listen, as Melanie does this thing, she tries to make eye contact. I'd love to see this in action.
Melanie Avalon
I made that eye contact and it worked.
Barry Conrad
What do you do? Do you just stare and try to lock? Like, what do you do? Do you just lock in?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, you just try to like, well, you figure out who you want to send these messages to, you know, and then you, you try to send because the happiness I feel when I'm seeing a show front row is like, it's like my shining, beautiful state of being that I just want to exist in, in this incandescent state. So I try to take that energy and send it with gratitude to the person, which you got to do by making eye contact.
Barry Conrad
Are really, you know what, because listeners, Mel and I had, we talked on Instagram about this, but she was like, what will we do if you don't like sitting in the front row? And I said, I'll sit in the front row for you because I want to see, I want to look at you to the left to the right wherever you're sitting and just watch you and actually use your powers to see what you do.
Like, what is your face doing when you like what, you know, do you tilt your head? What do you do?
Melanie Avalon
I don't, I mean, you can tell me when we, and also by the way, listeners told Barry said that he would, he would adjust and be in the front row for me and I told him I would not adjust and be in a different row.
Barry Conrad
It's good to know the favor is now returned. Thanks, Mel. Wow.
Melanie Avalon
You don't want me if I'm not like, like, you know, you want me to be in my, my vibe. We can sit separate. I can be on the front row and you can be farther back.
Barry Conrad
We have to sit together also I have another question for you about shows.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Oh, and I have one other part of the story too to tell you.
Barry Conrad
Oh yeah, keep telling me. Go. You go first. Do you cry at shows or not really?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, during, oh, like stage shows? Yeah. I don't think I actually, I don't think I have. I think the closest, I almost cried in Wicked and I almost cried in Frozen.
Oh, wow. Sorry, Wicked the stage show. Wicked the movie. I didn't even see the scene for good. I was crying so hard. Like I literally, people are talking about like things that happened during that scene and I'm like, I don't know because I was like bawling and my eyes were closed. Did you cry?
Barry Conrad
You know what? I'm not gonna lie. I teared up. It's a pretty emotional, like, it sounds really girly to say, but it was really emotional moments.
Good acting, like, amazing, grounded performances. I loved it.
Melanie Avalon
of all acting, but have you cried in a stage show?
Barry Conrad
Not so much. I think it's more like film. I think because it feels more private for some reason, you know.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, you're like more in it. It's more like in your head in a movie. Compared to a stage show, it's like you're watching something. I mean, you're watching something both ways, but it's different.
Barry Conrad
I get more goosebumps, but anyway, I'm distracting you from your story. What else happened?
Melanie Avalon
last part of the story. So Cirque du Soleil, amazing, all the things. I get home, they didn't invite me until like I was already home. So I go all the way home, which is like half an hour away. And then they were saying where they were, which was this like dive bar. Actually, you probably would have liked it. It was kind of a cool vibe. It was like a game like an arcade themed bar. I was like, you know, we talked about I think last time Barry how even though I'm a night owl, like I don't like being out super late. So I was like, I don't think I'm going to go.
But then they said two things that made me have to go. One, they said that they had a hard out time at 1150 because of the tour bus leaving. I was like, okay, so there's a hard out I can do that. And then two, they said that the whole cast wanted to meet me because they were all talking about me. I was like, oh my goodness, I can't not go. So so then I turn around, go right back, forgot my ID. So I talked my way in
Barry Conrad
Look at you. Okay, what did you say?
Melanie Avalon
And I was having flashbacks because I don't remember like I haven't been in like a bouncer situation where I'm trying to talk my way in since college and back then you actually are underage. You know, I was like, this is crazy.
What if I what if I come this whole way and I can't get in? What I ended up doing was I pulled up the CNBC article that has my age in the title and I was like, this is me. See?
Barry Conrad
That's hilarious and genius. That's so funny.
Melanie Avalon
They let me in.
Barry Conrad
That's so good. Did you like meeting them? Were they fun? Like what would they like?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, my goodness. Okay, that's my other thing, Barry.
This actually reminds me of you. I'm really blown away by how they're so incredibly physically talented and do this really grueling, you know, acrobatics and things that just blow my mind and they're doing on tour and they're doing like multiple shows and they still party like I would be wrecked.
Barry Conrad
I know that you would, because you'd be like, oh, I've got to go. This is not, you know, I can't do it, but it's, it's just like adrenaline. Like you're also coming down from the show and then you crash the next morning kind of thing, you know.
Melanie Avalon
When you do one of your runs of a show, do you go out every night after?
Barry Conrad
Not every night, but there's usually definitely a couple nights where we'll head out, you know.
Melanie Avalon
And then you just like wake up the next day and just carry on.
Barry Conrad
You usually sleep a little bit later, usually Melanie Avalon out of it, which means you wake up a bit later because you're so erect and then you just do it again.
Melanie Avalon
Wow, yeah, I can't. It's amazing. But um, but yeah, no, it was super fun.
Barry Conrad
That's awesome. Are you gonna keep in touch with them?
Melanie Avalon
Probably not, but I would see again if it comes in town.
Barry Conrad
At least I know that you can talk us into a club if we lose our dues. There we go.
Melanie Avalon
You know what's funny? You look so young, I bet you would have a hard time talking your way in.
Barry Conrad
That has happened and does happen, but it's just, it's hilarious. I've tried the Google thing and people don't, bounces like, I don't care, bro.
You know, coming in. Cause they just get stubborn about it.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it's probably easier as a girl. Oh, it depends on the bouncer.
Definitely depends on the bouncer. So the bouncer is like their mission. Their mission in life is to not let people in, if they can, you know? So, and it's like that type of bouncer, you're like, you're not getting in.
Barry Conrad
I feel like if they saw a UML, you'd just have this aura, like this vibe where they, you know, like, we have to litter in.
Melanie Avalon
Like I'm not lying vibe. So to put a nice little bow on everything, have I convinced you that one must be on the front row.
Barry Conrad
I don't know about convince, but I'll definitely sit with you on the front, even though you wouldn't sit with me in the middle or further background.
Melanie Avalon
Perfect. OK, so shall we jump into our first anniversary questions, which these actually do relate to fasting in the podcast and things more timely.
Barry Conrad
For sure. This is exciting. This is great.
Melanie Avalon
I know, I've been really looking forward to this.
Barry Conrad
So our first anniversary question is what has been your favorite part or moment of doing the show this past year?
Melanie Avalon
I think there were, well, okay, a few things. One, I really like our restaurant format. I like the format of the show. So like, this is like a general answer, but I really like how we do the studies at the beginning. I love doing listener Q&A. I love hearing from listeners. I love talking with them, even though they can't talk back in the moment. And then I love doing our restaurants at the end. It's just so, so fun.
I think there were two topics that we talked about that I really,
Barry Conrad
And also, this is really crazy because I also picked two, so this is, yeah, I wonder if it's the same. Yeah, it won't be the same.
Melanie Avalon
So I think the general format and then one of my answers, so there have been a few episodes where I really enjoyed the topic and I'm going to save one of them for a later answer, but one for now is I really liked the study about the lack of weight gain with age compared to what people think. Like the one about when, you know, how much people actually realistically gain as they age. I think that is one of the most shocking studies that is so contrary to what people think because wasn't it like people don't really gain weight statistically up until like, I'm paraphrasing, but like 50 or 60 and then after that it's like 2% or something like that. Yeah. So I really, really enjoyed that.
I like when we find studies where it's just so either contrary to what you were thinking or fascinating to talk about or just not what you were expecting. How about you?
Barry Conrad
Also, to add into what you were saying, I'd 100% agree. I tried to say that to someone the other day and I couldn't remember the stats, but I need to find that episode so I can look it up again.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so actually listeners, after much searching, we found it. There was that one study that we talked about that I really liked. And it was looking at whether or not people's metabolism slow down as you age, because we think that as you get older, that your metabolism just comes to a screeching halt. And they looked at 6,600 individuals ranging from infancy to 95. And they found that after accounting for body size and composition, total energy expenditure remains relatively stable from age 20 to 60. And even then, it's very minimal.
So after 60, the metabolism only slows down approximately 0.7% per year, which this is so, like, this is so contrary to what we think, like, we've always been told that our metabolism slows down. So point of me telling that is, I love having moments like that on the show, where it's something just so contrary to what you're thinking or shocking, but really, that gives you, like, empowering knowledge, and, you know, a new perspective on how you can have agency in what you're doing.
Barry Conrad
That's amazing in that step, by the way.
Melanie Avalon
I know I need to like memorize that like for memory and I need to memorize like the link to the study and just give it to people What is your answer?
Barry Conrad
That's it's so hard because when I look back on this past year, especially because it's my first year, it's super hard to pick like just a single favorite moment. I mean, I really mean that. I mean, there's favorite moments from every show about every episode has something that sticks with me for a different reason. You know, I guess whether it's something personal or something science based. If I had to highlight a couple, that's what I said. I've got like two as well. They've been a lot to me personally. I, there are a couple that do stand out though. One was definitely when we recorded on my birthday this year, Mel, I came into that day thinking it'd be like completely normal session, you know, same process, same format. By the way, I love our format as well. I love our banter, study, listening questions, restaurant of that as well. But I thought it'd be a completely normal session, same everything, same rhythm. But then Mel, you acknowledged my birthday and that probably sounds like a very simple thing, but it was so sincere, so genuine. And it really, it genuinely made me feel really valued and appreciated. And in a way I didn't expect at the moment. And I remember finishing that thinking, oh, that really, really meant something and, and impacted me and stuck with me for the rest of that day, actually, and week. So I'll always remember that as a little cornerstone of this year.
And I would say also the one, I can't remember exactly which episode it was, but the one where we were, we were talking and then it led to us talking about, I think you were about like telling people what they mean to you. You know, when should we tell people what they mean to and why? So like shifted from, I don't know, we may be talking about a listener question or fasting or physiology. And then just we went into that and, and it's moments like those that make the show for me even more memorable.
I love the science. I love the information. So key. It's so important. We love your listener questions, everybody. We love answering them and it's fun and dynamic. And I also think, and also those little in between moments that are unexpected. They really leave me impacted. And also like there's, there's so many funny moments as well, Mel, that we have throughout the year that are unexpected, like even when a listener story like, you know, gets us or there's days where we're tired, like you're tired or I'm stretched thin or whatever on the show, sort of like we, we give each other a boost or like, you know, pick each other up. I like that as well. And even the BTS parts listens because before we actually record, we will check in and, and chat a bit like, and our mythical calls afterwards. It's just a whole thing. It's not just, hopefully you can feel what, you know, our report and our connection through the show because we have so much fun doing it. So the point I'm trying to make is there's no one single favorite moment because it's just all amazing. I love it.
Melanie Avalon
So I love all of that so much. And what I also love, so I had no idea like that birthday moment that that had that effect on you. And I love when you learn like about little moments that you had no idea about, but they really like linger and last for the person. It's so special.
Like one of those for me, but this would have been, this was before, and this kind of relates to the next question about when we first met, but before, do you remember the one time I did video?
Barry Conrad
Oh my gosh, yes.
Melanie Avalon
And Barry Conrad showed up with wine and like a cucumber. And it was like the sweetest thing ever that, yeah, I'm going to remember that.
Barry Conrad
Because it's Melanie Evelyn's situation, that's what you do. Wine and cucumbers and lots of protein.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, there's a massive cucumber. So and then I also I agree so much. I like, I love everything that I do. I mean, that's a blanket statement.
But I almost everything I do in life, like work wise, I'm just so grateful for what I do. And still, even if I love it, there are some things where it's a little bit draining to do it. Like I walk away, you know, tired, but this show, I always even if I'm tired going in, I always walk away, like very energetic, which I think is very telling.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, definitely. I feel exactly the same way. Always invigorated or inspired by the science and by learning something new every week and also just by having the best time I do.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, likewise. Okay, so second question is how did we first meet and what were our first impressions of each other? I know my answer to this so much. Okay, go.
Barry Conrad
Oh, wow. So I had to really think back because it's funny because I think I want to say it was Instagram. Was it Instagram, Melanie? I remember I was new to fasting and I was listening to the intermittent fasting podcast that I'm now a co-host of it. I was listening to you and I was saying, well, I want to say it was Jen Stevens back then. And I was just learning super new, super green. And I think I may have put something on my story maybe, or something like that, and maybe tagged you guys. And I didn't have any expectations. I just wanted to shout out. And then I think that we exchanged a DM. Well, maybe you replied to the story and we exchanged DMs and stuff like that. And I was surprised, but I was like, oh, I didn't really think anything of it.
But my first impression of you was super kind, super normal, genuinely curious, genuine period. And that's how you sounded on the show. When we started messaging, I was like, oh, this person's actually exactly who she says she is. There's no air or facade or anything like that. And I thought that was super cool. That was awesome. And especially in the space where a lot of people, I reckon, talk at their audience. I reckon you're just the same person, which I straight away stood out to me. And then fast forward down the line, way down the line, you invited me on as a guest. I want to say a couple, I want to say 2023, like two years ago, at least, if anyone wants to scroll back and try to find that. And then I felt that as well, talking to you on that. And then another, I came on one more time and I remember thinking that felt super normal, really chill, really easy. And then that's only when we started talking and you're like, would you want to be a co-host? And I was like, yeah. This is not word for word, but you said something like, I'm wondering whether I should just stay solo or I should have a guest like that. You should have a co-host. I talked to you.
Melanie Avalon
I forgot about that.
Barry Conrad
Yeah. Talked you into it. And then we just kept on talking off air and just sending voice notes, checking in, having super long chats, big chats on our mythical calls about everything. Fasting as well, obviously, and every life, food, everything.
And then it evolved into a real friendship. But my, to echo what I said, I thought you were super genuine, really fun, sincere, just a great person straight away.
Melanie Avalon
Aww. Okay, so it's interesting because I said I had my answer right away, but I actually don't, it was so long ago now, I don't remember, like I don't remember the first message that was sent or anything like that. I just remember that you were posting, I don't want to say a lot, but you were like sharing stories about the show, which I really appreciated. Like it's really, really, which is so listeners, like feel free to always share stuff about the show on Instagram. Like it's amazing, we love hearing from you and I love like re-sharing it. So I was really, really appreciative of that.
I do know my first impression, which you know. I thought Barry was like a teenager. Nothing wrong with teenagers. That's really funny. I just, I'm not gonna like, I'm not looking to like create a real friendship relationship with a teenager right now, like in my life. And I actually think, I now remember, I think that's what actually got us really talking because then I was Googling and figuring out that you were not a teenager, but I didn't believe it. Like I was like, this is not, this can't be accurate. So then I fact checked with Barry. And then I think that's when we started talking.
Barry Conrad
You really wanted to know, didn't you?
Melanie Avalon
So, oh, and I will say actually, I'm embarrassed about this, but I think, yeah, I think I thought, and it's funny because I get the same thing. Like I know people have given me this feedback, like people don't know me.
I didn't, how do I say this? I didn't know that you had the incredible emotional intelligence depth that you have. Like I kind of wrote you off as like an actor, which is horrible because like I grew up doing acting, but not like wrote you off, but I just thought you were like a really young teenage acting boy. I didn't know you become like one of my closest friends.
Barry Conrad
That's really nice and really funny as well. I don't take offense at all to that, by the way. It's really funny.
Melanie Avalon
I know I get it, like I know, like I read reviews where people are like this dumb blonde and stuff. So, but so I'm not proud of that, but that very quickly, quickly changed once we actually started talking.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, it's it's what it's actually source anyway, we could go down rabbit holes if we just keep lingering each question because there's so much to get through but it's it's so cool like our all this time and history it feels like we've known each other way longer than we actually have.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, although that would have been a while ago, right? Because if Jen was the co-host, wouldn't that be like at least like five years ago maybe?
Barry Conrad
2019 kind of thing, yeah.
Melanie Avalon
Oh wow, almost like six or six years, seven years, maybe? Okay, so shall we do our next one? Time flies when you're having fun.
Barry Conrad
It does. Listeners, we hope they're enjoying this, by the way. The next question is, what episode or topic surprised you the most once we recorded it?
Melanie Avalon
So this one, something actually immediately came to mind for me. And it was, I think, because I think when we talked about, and it wasn't that long ago, but when we talked about this study, I feel like it became almost the entire conversation.
And it was the study about hedonic pleasure.
Barry Conrad
Oh my gosh, that's exactly mine.
Melanie Avalon
That was your answer.
Barry Conrad
Yes. We could just talk about it. We could just talk about it. It's great.
Melanie Avalon
So the study was called enjoyment or indulgence what draws the line in hedonic food consumption and it was published in 2022 in the international journal of hospitality management actually. But it was talking all about the difference between indulgent consumption which is what when we think of that we think of it being very like gratuitous and something to avoid and you know one of the seven deadly sins is gluttony but it was saying that there's a difference between solely indulgent like solely indulgent consumption versus hedonic consumption which is the idea of just appreciating the whatever you're consuming or indulging in but it's in line with your goals.
So basically like the theory was that or the hypothesis they were making was that whether or not something is hedonic or indulgent has to do with if it's supporting your goals or not and it was such an interesting conversation because we were talking about how you know we eat this one big meal a day at night and it's like this feast and all the things and because it's not in conflict with our goals it's not this potentially negative sort of consumption that that people might see as being you know overly pleasurable or hedonic and then I mean versus women and it was so interesting I really really enjoyed it.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what came to me straight, like straight away when I saw this question, like that was the easy one for me to, I came up with the exact same topic. It was just, because it is so, you know, there's so many levels to that, you know, Mel, we talked about this offline as well.
Males versus women, body size, how that affects what you eat, you know, what the public societal pressures are around eating and, you know, and people feeling guilt, even people that do intermittent fasting feel guilt around, you know, what they have in their window. Is this too much? Why am I enjoying it so much? Shouldn't this be bad? It just, yeah, it's, you know, that there's a, you said something like there's a difference between eating for pleasure and eating to soothe. And the conversation shifted from science to humanity, Eric. And we, you know, the way someone might reach for food, you know, they're tired. If they're tired, we're overwhelmed or trying to feel something. And then we compare that to hedonic eating, which is almost celebratory, you know, it is, yeah, exactly what you said, Mel, lining up with your goals. So, you know, I think what shocked me most as well is, I guess, just suddenly understanding why some of that guilt could linger in knowing, finding out about this, you know, like, and why, when I'm breaking your fast, a long fast, now I ask myself, is this joy or is this habit, you know, and that tiny question does really change the whole experience. And that episode, like that understanding the difference can remove so much of the shame people carry around food, you know, so yeah, one of the best topics I reckon from this year for sure.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it was absolutely amazing. And if listeners want to hear the whole episode, it was episode 447. So we will put a link to that in the show notes.
Awesome. Okay. So next question is what is one thing you learned this year about fasting that changed your own personal practice? So like a tweak, a timing, a protocol, a mindset shift, a new discovery.
Barry Conrad
I reckon this year, it taught me one of the biggest lessons I've learned because I learned the value of flexibility more so inside a structure rather than just sticking to the clock. As you know, Mel, because I've done 20 hours for ages now, almost like this ritual. And it is really helpful. It's really grounded me. It's supported my mental clarity and whatnot. And it fit into my training and my creativity and it worked and it does work.
But at some point this year, life forced me to sort of more rethink things. And I told you as well, Mel, I stopped using the Xero app. I used to use the Xero app to time my fast and that alone is a big step for me. But I realized I was becoming a bit attached to the timer and I didn't really need to rely on it anymore. So becoming more intuitive and not knowing that my fasting success doesn't depend on an app and using the app. So I guess just loosening my grip a bit more and trusting my body and going, all right, my body needs fuel earlier today or I feel great. So I keep fasting. And I think traveling and performing more this year as well taught me that. So yeah, that would probably be one of the biggest things I've learned just to be more flexible with my fasting because I'm still averaging 20 hours a day, but I don't have to stick to the exact time every single day.
Melanie Avalon
It's interesting because I remember having that conversation with you where you were thinking about, I think it was offline too, I think, when you were thinking about maybe not tracking it as much anymore. I think it was not on the podcast.
Barry Conrad
It wasn't. I was walking in Bondi, I think, and I was talking about it.
And also, even you say, like, you kind of just go, don't you say, Mel, like, I just kind of eat at night, and I know I'm always going to average, you know, there's only so long I can eat.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I remember, yeah, I remember having that conversation. Okay, this is really ironic for my answer because it's like similar but kind of the opposite. I think my trajectory has been with fasting. Yeah, now it's been, you know, how many years? I think I started fasting in 2012. So it's been like 15, wait, I can't do math, 15, 16 years almost. I know, like I feel intuitively, this is how it's similar, like I feel intuitively that one meal a day evening protocol is what works the best for me. Like it's just really what works for me, like it works for me.
And still, I've had for the longest time, like this feeling that, well, maybe it's not sustainable or like I need to be doing a different fasting pattern because maybe I should try ADF or maybe I should try eating earlier in the day or maybe I should, I don't know, like that I shouldn't be doing this high protein one meal a day thing forever. And I'm not saying that I won't change or won't do it forever. But I think I finally have gotten to the point and there wasn't like a specific moment where it happened. Although meeting you has been actually really helpful because you eat very similar as far as like the really high protein and the one meal a day. And then the one meal a day is sometimes at night, although you, like you're just talking about, you have it at different times. But you're a really good example of how that really can work and you can be really high performing and you can maintain muscle. Like you look amazing. So clearly all these concerns about muscle and only eating in a window is a problem. I mean, you're like an example of that. That's just not necessarily the case. So I think getting to co-host with you has made me feel a lot more confident about like just doing what I know works for me and keep doing it. And I don't have any intention of changing it. I don't feel tempted to change it. I will if that comes up, but I don't think I don't think it will. So yeah, it's interesting because it's like not that I'm less flexible, but I don't feel like I need to change it per se, like I was wondering before.
Barry Conrad
Wow. I had no idea you felt like that. Interesting.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. It's always like, maybe I should be, I think really it's like, maybe I should be eating earlier or why?
Just because even though I talk about it so much and I've done a lot of the research, there's just this pervasive idea that you need to be eating earlier for like the ultimate metabolic health or longevity or whatever, even though I've seen a lot of stuff to the contrary. So.
Barry Conrad
Yeah. And Mel, don't you reckon as well, because you, even when you do your bloods and whatnot, they're always so great. So it's like the lab work supports what you're doing. And then it's so interesting that you can still sometimes have those thoughts come in, you know?
Melanie Avalon
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. One more question.
Barry Conrad
Let's do it. So, what is something about prepping for the episodes that listeners would never guess?
Melanie Avalon
Although now I'm thinking, and this actually relates to the answer, so it's perfect. Now I'm thinking the person who reads it a different order would work better because I just talk, so it would make more sense for you to talk, but the irony is this is part of my answer, which is that, which is that, listeners, you have no idea how much time I spend, I mean, it's not like a horrible amount of time, but, and this is, this is the way it's been since the beginning of the show, which was however many years ago, seven years ago, eight years ago.
I put a lot of thought, so I, like, I picked the, like the preparation, I picked the questions and then it's like a puzzle each week because there's so many different pieces that you have to figure out. You got to figure out the back and forth, like who asked what question so that the answer flow is like natural going back and forth, which like I said, I'm realizing in real time, I didn't think this through correctly for this episode. So it's that it's also like who, and this has been more or less has been a, actually, so with each co-host, they've had their unique strengths and like topics that they feel more confident talking about. So kind of making the answer, the lineup so that they get to lead off, like so that the person who is like most appropriate to answer it, like leads off with answering it, but then you have to be able to rotate back and forth. And sometimes like I have too many very questions, not enough Melanie questions or too many Melanie, not enough Barry. And then I've got to tie it in with the studies and then the restaurant at the end. So it's just kind of funny how much like time I do, like creating this puzzle. And then also listeners might like to know that we have this massive document of listener questions from the beginning, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of questions. So don't be surprised if we answer your question from like 2017, it could still happen. Sometimes I'm like looking for a specific topic. So I'll like go back in the archives of questions. So my weekly puzzle.
Barry Conrad
I'm sure I can speak for all the listeners when I say that myself as well, appreciate all the time that you put into it, Mel. So because listeners, I will then go to this massive document and then see all the questions and then that's where we start, I guess, preparing like our thoughts and one thing I guess people may not know like for myself, you know, yes, I don't come up with the questions, but I do put a lot of time and thought and intention and work into, into them too. And, and you know, because the show flows so naturally and Mel and I bounce of each other so easily, people might assume, Oh, we're just like showing up and talking and yeah, we do have a great rapport and we can talk, but you know, the truth is as well, like we have fun and also it's work, it's, it's effort. So something I really care about.
That's why I do it. So my process always starts when a listener question comes in, I sit with it. First, I let it live in the back of my mind for a bit. I like to go for a walk and when during those walks, I'll pull up my phone and record voice notes actually first.
Melanie Avalon
I didn't know that.
Barry Conrad
I'll sort of just see what comes out and all cuz like to go for long walks to sort of set my mind for the day or just to take a break and i'll think out loud first and explore different angles then. When i get home that's when the research part starts to me based on my notes and then.
So something i said on the walk needs a bit more science behind it or clear explanation or deeper understanding for example i'll sit down and and really look into it properly and. You know i care about accuracy because you know i'm new coming to the show as well and also for the sake of everyone tuning in we gotta give people grounded information that they can trust so i do that i'll cross check things you know revisit studies and whatnot and then i leave it i don't overwork it i don't scripted anything i let my brain sleep on it.
The next morning or usually would be like maybe the morning of recording day i'll revisit everything again with fresh eyes and thoughts and then. Sometimes new thoughts will come in and i'll rewrite something and sometimes i'll leave it as is but yeah that's sort of like my.
My process but yeah I really really really enjoy the preparation part of it a lot I geek out over I guess it's the actor side of like script analysis and stuff like that I just love there's no questions so exciting.
Melanie Avalon
I did not know that. I had no idea.
That's so amazing and something I will say, I really, really appreciate all the time and energy that you bring to the show and the preparation that you do. It really, really shows and I really, really, really appreciate it so much.
Barry Conrad
Thanks.
Melanie Avalon
So, all right. Well, listeners, we hope you enjoyed this anniversary part one. And shall we have our proverbial breaking of the fast moment at an anniversary-worthy restaurant?
Barry Conrad
Let's do it. Can't wait.
Melanie Avalon
This is just like the obvious. OK, well, there were a few that were obvious, but we'd already done them.
This was the most obvious one. And the reason it's not the perfect restaurant is because I don't know necessarily that the food is like, you know, the most amazing thing. Have we done? Because I'm going to give two answers, but I'm not going to do one of them because we can't actually look at the menu anyways. We've talked about Victoria and Albert's, right? But we haven't actually, or have we done it?
Barry Conrad
I don't know if we've done it. I don't know if we've done it. Maybe we talked about it.
Melanie Avalon
Well, I would pick Victoria and Albert's, which is the, I think it's the only AAA restaurant in Florida that gets that award all the time, and it just got its first Michelin star, and it's at the Grand Floridian. I have never been, but apparently it's just like the most amazing thing, but it is a set price menu.
So that's what I probably would pick. However, this is a more approachable menu we can look through, and it's so magical. So I am voting for...
Barry Conrad
I can't wait to see it in suspense.
Melanie Avalon
and I've eaten at this restaurant two or three times.
Barry Conrad
Oh, wow. So you can vouch vouch.
Melanie Avalon
I can vouch for the vibe. It is Cinderella's Royal Table. It's the restaurant inside of the Magic Kingdom Castle. Did you know there was a restaurant inside of there?
Barry Conrad
I had no idea. No idea. Okay, I'm pulling it up right now. Wow. That looks like a... It looks like a set.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. So basically, and so to clarify, this is inside of the Magic Kingdom castle, which is Cinderella's castle, not Sleeping Beauty castle at Disneyland.
So, but like the castle that people think of with Disney World, there's actually a rush, a restaurant inside of it. It's like you're inside of Cinderella's castle. Cinderella is there. I think Cinderella takes you to your, she's definitely like there. She like meets you. I'm trying to remember if she like takes you to your table. I think she did at least one time when I was there. I don't know if she does now, but she comes around as well. And then it's like a steakhouse, but there are windows. And so like when the fireworks go off, you can see fireworks and you're in Cinderella's castle. So like how perfect is that for an anniversary?
Barry Conrad
That actually is perfect. Some of the food's popping up already. Okay, I need to see this menu.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, they do have a... Oh, it's a set price menu, but there are choices. Set price menus. Okay. This one I think I can make work.
But basically, so there's for the... This is the fairy tale dining dinner pricing. So 89 per adult for set price or 54 per child. So first you get a appetizer of the court. Oh, this actually works for me. I know what I'm getting.
Barry Conrad
I know what I'm getting to. What are you gonna get? What are you gonna get?
Melanie Avalon
There's actually two things I like, but I am definitely going for the chilled jumbo shrimp and very, do we, okay, third time's the charm. Do we remember the difference between shrimp and prawns? I think I do.
Barry Conrad
Well, that prawns is just basically the right way to say it and shrimps the wrong way to say it. If it's in England and Australia, it's usually prawns, and if it's in America, it's usually...
Melanie Avalon
It was more nuanced. And I got it this time. So it was in the U.S., it's shrimp and we call it shrimp. In the U.K.
Barry Conrad
It's prons, and you call it.
Melanie Avalon
Because the restaurant that we did, because it got even more confusing, because in the UK versus Australia, one, they call it prawns and both, but I think in Australia it actually is prawns, and then in the UK it's often shrimp. So to confirm, yes, yes, that was correct. So USA, shrimp, typically shrimp, UK, called prawns, but usually shrimp, Australia, prawn, actually a prawn. We got it.
So yes, I am getting the chill jumbo shrimp, comes with avocado mousse, Fresno peppers, and tomato horseradish vinaigrette, and I will get all of that on the side. How about you? I think I know what you're getting.
Barry Conrad
Well, you're right in thinking I'll get the pork belly, but I'm also going to get the chilled Joe Murchcrum because it looks really good. And the crispy pork belly in brackets, it says party exclusive.
It comes with sweet potato puree, jacama slaw, chestnuts, and apple cranberry glaze. Yum.
Melanie Avalon
Tacoma. That's something else I like about us is that we can't pronounce anything. It's jicama, I think. I could be wrong, but the only reason I'm only correcting because I think it's like people might actually be like, jicama.
It might be in Australia. Who knows? You know what we should do? We should get three. We should get three orders so then we can get more food. Do you want to do that? So we could get like two shrimps and then the pork belly. Sounds great. So entree time.
Barry Conrad
I wonder how big, okay, you've eaten here before, right? So how big are there?
Melanie Avalon
a long time ago. I was probably on the kids menu at the time.
Barry Conrad
I wonder how big their portions are.
Melanie Avalon
Well, this is America, but there is also like shrinkflation happening. So in general, I have heard, I have like heard that. Yeah.
Barry Conrad
That's so, that's a funny term, shrinkflation.
Melanie Avalon
I'm between the filet and the lamb, but I think I'll get the grilled filet mignon, which comes with olive oil, whipped potatoes, roasted seasonal vegetables, garlic butter. I will get... I'll see if they can just give me like steamed spinach.
If not, they can just put everything on the side and I will get it as rare as they will give it to me.
Barry Conrad
Nice, and I'll get the roasted lamb chops. They come with potato pavé, asparagus, and honey balsamic glaze. I love chop so much, Mel, like I love lamb so much.
Melanie Avalon
Really? So do you want to get two orders of that?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I mean, I just don't want them to be like two little itty bitty chops, you know.
Melanie Avalon
And I want to taste, so let's get two lamb. And then the finale, this is the dessert.
Barry Conrad
the big finale, what is jumping out at you?
Melanie Avalon
nothing obviously. And it's a set price menu.
I wonder if they would bring me, like if they would bring me more shrimp. I feel like it's Disney. I feel like they would. That is something about, so something about Disney, they are insanely amazing about like accommodating dietary preferences and things like that. So I think I probably could say, you know, I can't have, I can't have sugar. So may I get some shrimp for dessert?
Barry Conrad
I'm sure they'll say yes.
Melanie Avalon
What would you get? I know what you would get. Maybe.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I'll get it's called the clock strikes 12. And it's chocolate ganache tart topped with salted caramel coffee moose delicious.
But then I'll also kind of feel like having the cheesecake. So maybe like to see got three, and I'm getting shrimp. So the jack and Gus
Melanie Avalon
Oh, are those the mice? I think those are the mice from Cinderella. I think Gus is, so I'm assuming. I don't know.
Barry Conrad
So Jack and Gus cheesecake and it's vanilla cheesecake with fresh fruit and garnishes. Yeah, there you go. So I've got the cheesecake and the chocolate ganache tart. It sounds pretty good to me.
Melanie Avalon
And then let's see, oh, they have their specialty cocktails. Oh, they have a celebration champagne flight. Too bad I don't really like champagne.
Barry Conrad
I'm getting that. I have to get it for the table. You know how I say it's for the table.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, for the table. That's perfect.
Then you get to have all of it. It's a, let's see, it's a blend. Let's see, a flight using the Enchante Champagne. Enchante, yeah. A blend of Chardonnay, Pinot Noir, Pinot, Moonnay, sold exclusively at Walt Disney World. Oh, that's cool.
Barry Conrad
That is cool. So the celebration champion fly and then I have to go with the sunset margarita cuz I love me margarita So that's happening to any of these wines Getting the tick of approval mail
Melanie Avalon
The problem is, this is Disney, so it's going to be harder for me to, I can't bring a bottle of wine because you can't bring alcohol into the park, so I can't do that. So I literally have to sneak in my wine.
Good thing I'm good at that, but I'll make it work. You don't worry about me, I'll figure it out.
Barry Conrad
So two things I need to see you use your powers in the front row and then I need to see
Melanie Avalon
Sneaking and wine situation It's it's crazy. Very how much I'm like fine-tuning my skills with that. It's yeah, really? I've only gotten caught once
Barry Conrad
It's like a spy, you know, a wine spy.
Melanie Avalon
All I know is if you're super worried about it being a problem, you got to go under the clothes. Otherwise, you can try with the purse.
Barry Conrad
Purse? There's got to be a small bottle.
Melanie Avalon
I've like cut a contraption into my purse that can actually hold a decent amount.
Barry Conrad
Wow. See, so many things. I can't wait. It's gonna be great.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness, I should have kept going down. They have allergy friendly appetizers. So they say like what they can make. So they basically, they list the food and then they put who it's safe for. So like the chilled jumbo shrimp is safe for gluten, wheat allergies, egg allergies, fish allergies, peanut, tree nuts, or soy allergies.
Barry Conrad
I think that's actually really good and I think this is probably the first menu I've seen on the show that actually lists the smell from memory.
Melanie Avalon
all of the Disney restaurants, they should have this somewhere. It's normally on a different section, but they've put it on with the main thing. I'm just confirming that, yeah, okay, that's right.
Yeah. I was trying to make sure that they're not saying that's what it contains, that's who it's for, and that's who it's for. A lot of this stuff is gluten-free, but they make it gluten-free, I think. I think they're saying they can make it gluten-free. They probably adjust it.
Barry Conrad
Do you like eating gluten-free? Do you prefer eating gluten-free, or?
Melanie Avalon
Um, I mean, it's all the food I eat. So it kind of just like, I don't know. I don't even know, you know, it's hard to answer because like I, it's, it's the food I'd be eating and I would love the gluten food. Like it would taste amazing.
It would just wreck me and be like a drug in my body. Barry sent me a picture of fairy bread, which I, you know, isn't it weird that we don't have that here? It does not seem like such a, but probably not sweet enough, right? Cause isn't it just like bread and, and sprinkles and butter.
Barry Conrad
Exactly, but it's yeah, it's not for me. I don't like it, but I thought that you might like it
Melanie Avalon
I love the vibe of it. Does it have sugar and cinnamon on it, or is it just?
Barry Conrad
Well, the sprinkles are super sugary, but it doesn't have extra granulated sugar as well.
Melanie Avalon
Because I feel like the perfect manifestation for childhood was my mom used to make like cinnamon sugar bread. Is that a thing in Australia?
Barry Conrad
It sounds like it needs to be a thing in the apartment right now, so I can try it.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Well, what I'm saying, we should like you should we should put it together like we should make the fairy bread. So basically, you just take the bread, you toast it with butter and you put like cinnamon and sugar on it. It's so good.
And if it had it had its sprinkles on it, then it would just be like pure magical.
Barry Conrad
Wow, and you can watch me try it.
Melanie Avalon
yeah okay so well this was so amazing happy anniversary it was so fun oh wait hey the kids get they get short ribs on their menu
Barry Conrad
I like that. That caught your eye. I like that.
Melanie Avalon
I'm going to ask for that for dessert. Can I have like some plain short ribs from the kids menu for my dessert?
Barry Conrad
It's so funny.
Melanie Avalon
They're so good. The sword in the sweet, a white chocolate sword and a chocolate and marshmallow mousse stone atop a cocoa soil. That sounds so cute. Oh my goodness. That's in the kid's menu. The kid's dessert.
Okay. Well, this has been absolutely amazing. Listeners, we hope you enjoyed spending this time with us and thank you just for spending so much time with us this past year and beyond that. And like I said, we would love, we love a listener questions. You can email them to questions at ifodcast.com or you can go to ifodcast.com and you can submit questions there. And the show notes will be at ifodcast.com slash episode 456. And that will have links to everything that we talked about. Definitely check it out. You can follow us on Instagram. I am Melanie Avalon. Barry is Barry underscore Conrad, the place that we met, Instagram. And the show is I have podcast. And also please feel free to share stuff on Instagram because we would love to reshare it. So Barry, anything from you before we go?
Barry Conrad
Listeners, we appreciate every single one of you for tuning in. Really, really appreciate it. Thank you so much for spending this time with us, and we'll catch you next week.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome, I will talk to you next week.
Barry Conrad
Bye!
Melanie Avalon
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