Welcome to Episode 460 of The Intermittent Fasting Podcast, hosted by Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What When Wine Diet: Lose Weight And Feel Great With Paleo-Style Meals, Intermittent Fasting, And Wine, and Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC.
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Melanie Avalon
Welcome to Episode 460 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy, and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat, with no calorie counting, then this show is for you.
I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What, When, Wine. Lose weight and feel great with paleo-style meals, intermittent fasting, and wine. And I'm joined by my co-hosts, Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC. For more on us, check out MelanieAvalon.com and BarryConradOfficial.com. You can submit questions for the show by emailing questions at iapodcast.com or by going to iapodcast.com. We would love to hear from you. Please remember, the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment. So pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine if it's that time, and get ready for the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. Hi, everybody, and welcome. This is episode number 460 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon. I'm here with Barry Conrad. Barry, I have a question for you, but how are you today?
Barry Conrad
I'm really, really, really, really good, but before I elaborate, I want you to tell me what your question is. I'm intrigued.
Melanie Avalon
Well, you don't have to answer. I'm wondering if you wanted to share any of your experience with having a colonoscopy.
Barry Conrad
Wow. Okay. I was not expecting this question. And listen, as if this is TMI, please just like change podcasts for a second and to listen to this part or skip ahead.
Melanie Avalon
It's gut health. No, now you match me because I've had three, you know, right? And this was your first one.
Barry Conrad
This is my first one, and after I share how mine went, I'd love to also know why you've had three. Because I didn't know you had three, I know you had one, but I didn't know.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I'm a pro. I'm a pro.
On the scale of it being as bad as you thought with the prep and everything, a scale of 1 to 10, one being like, this was the easiest thing ever. I could do it in my sleep. I want to do it again tomorrow. And then 10 is like, this was just horrible. Please let me never do this again.
Barry Conrad
I don't want to be doing this in my sleep. I don't want to be doing this when I'm awake. It was not great.
And, and to be fair, because listen, as this is my first ever colonoscopy as Mel blue, my spot up and told you also it's now it's out there, but, uh, I was sort of quite apprehensive when I saw the medication sitting on the table, staring at me all day, I was counting down the hours to start, you know, the process. It was overwhelming because I didn't feel anything for a little while. And then you start feeling situations. But anyway, it was a tablet form suitab. And then after a while you just start feeling crazy and you can do the math and guess what happens, but you basically don't really rest that much the night beforehand, which is, uh, that happened. And then, but I did actually managed to sleep through, which is good, but it was, I was nervous about it.
Melanie Avalon
Wait, they gave you a pill so it wasn't like the drink stuff?
Barry Conrad
So I guess you can take it in different forms, but I got like two bottles of 12 tablets and you have to take each tablet within a certain amount of time. Like you just basically take it, sip, drink, like, you know, take it, swallow it, take it, swallow it within a certain timeframe. And then you also have to fill that cup that they provide you with up to the line. And you have to like drink a certain amount of water. It's very, it's very meticulous.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I have not done the the pill approach. I've only done the like equally not fun the where you like mix up a drink and you have to drink like gallons and gallons.
I don't know if it's gallons. It's a lot.
Barry Conrad
It's a lie and you feel uncomfortable and bloated for a while and then you kind of wonder like what's going to happen, but then things happen.
Melanie Avalon
Yup. It was wild timing because I think I told you it was on Wednesday.
I think literally the day you did it, I was interviewing Dr. Carmen Fong for her book Constipation Nation, which talked all about bowel health and colonoscopies. I didn't talk a lot about colonoscopies, but she did talk about them. You survived.
Barry Conrad
I survived. You know what? I, the reason why I got it was Mel and I had been actually talking about this for probably a couple of years now, right? Melanie, like, I don't know if like, I should probably get one, whatever. And now I finally am in one place where I can do that. And I had a second to do it and have a bit of family history with stomach cancer and cancer in general. So I thought it's probably just worth doing. And, but then still you kind of go, I'm pretty healthy, but what if there's always like that. What if, because I know people, I don't know if you do malware, like they're fairly young and they just out of the blue get like pancreatic cancer or colon cancer. I'm like, what is happening? So I just want to be sure.
And basically when I came to the doctor walked in and he said, you have, this is verbatim. You have an A plus colon, you have an A plus colon and it could never, it could not be in better condition. There's no polyps. There's crazy, right?
Melanie Avalon
That's awesome. That is one of the things I like about.
One of the things I like about colonoscopies is they kind of immediately tell you the situation, you know, it's not like you have to like wait, wait a long time for results. They can just tell you right then because they literally just looked at it.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, look at it, which doesn't sound very sexy at all, but he did say beforehand, if we find polyps or anything like that, we'll remove them, which is good. And I said, what would cause polyps? And he said, some people are genetically predisposed to having them. Sometimes they're benign, they don't mean anything.
I was like, I don't want polyps, but nothing was found, Mel.
Melanie Avalon
Did they do an endoscopy too, or just a colonoscopy? I've always, I've always had both at the same time.
Really? Yep. You're a pro. I know mine were for, um, the first one was for when I got small intestinal bacterial overgrowth and I, like when my IBS started, it was for that. And then the second two were for anemia actually to see if I was like bleeding somewhere. Yeah.
Barry Conrad
You all clear?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, so actually was kind of funny. Yes.
And after interviewing Dr. Fong, she actually was shocked that she said I must be doing everything right if I was having all those issues, but then everything was like normal. Have I have I have I told you about any of this at all before?
Barry Conrad
I don't think so.
Melanie Avalon
So, okay, one of them, I think the second one was when I was in the hospital for anemia. So they were like, we're just going to do a colonoscopy and endoscopy while you're here. So I was literally like in a hospital bed having to do the bowel prep, which is you can't move because you're like chained to the bed, you know, because you're like hooked up to stuff. So I would have to like call the nurse. It was very, it was the worst day of my life.
Like drinking all of that in a hospital bed and then having to like ring the nurse to go to the bathroom. I can't even express how horrible that day was. Oh my gosh.
Barry Conrad
Because I can't picture you as well like loving like hey, sorry, I gotta go to the
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, no. That was not fun.
But we do support... So for listeners, I mean, I'm assuming they know what it is, but basically it's where they... Colonoscopy is a scope of your large intestine and endoscopy is your stomach. And yeah, you have to clean out everything beforehand. That's why you take the laxative stuff. And then the good thing is they can look like Barry was saying for signs of colon cancer and just other issues that you might have. And it's recommended, I think, preventatively. I think... Is it when you're in your 30s, I think, or 40s, maybe? Maybe 40s.
Barry Conrad
I do, I will say though, you know, again, this is one of the many things which I have to, I have to give credit to intermittent fasting for as well, because I eat so much. Like Melanie, you know this. I eat so much food in one sitting, so much red meat, ding, ding, ding for people who get freaked out about that. So it's like the fact that nothing was found, it was, it's just another confirmation that I'm on the right track.
It's sometimes like, well, no, sometimes always when you get those labs back or get results back, it's just, it's peace of mind, you know, do you feel the same way?
Melanie Avalon
Yes, definitely. And I looked it up. So starting at age 45 is where they recommend people have like one preventatively. If you have no symptoms and no significant family history, but if you have symptoms or family history, they suggest earlier, congratulations.
Now you know what that experience is like. You said you were worried about waking up during it?
Barry Conrad
Well, no, I just kind of, I was worried about not being able to sleep through the night, the night before, you know? And like people are like making jokes saying, bro, you might have to wear like an adult diaper or something. I'm like, I'm not wearing a diaper, I'm not doing that.
Melanie Avalon
You refuse. Oh my gosh.
Barry Conrad
I'm not doing that. Did you do that?
Melanie Avalon
Wear a diaper? No, that's funny. I am. I'm thinking about it. No, I'm trying to think when I started the The prep I don't know. I don't even know but but yay congratulations
Barry Conrad
Well, thank you. And now I'm finally on the same, uh, on the same page. Yeah. Same page colonoscopy wise.
Melanie Avalon
We can talk about it and we both experienced it, yet another topic of conversation.
Barry Conrad
Oh, well, let's, let's hope we don't bring this up when we're eating, when you finally do eat together, because that's going to.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my gosh, and happier news before we jump in. When this comes out, it will be Valentine's Day. In five days, I think, my question for you is how do you feel about Valentine's Day?
Barry Conrad
You know what? I am a hopeless romantic.
Melanie Avalon
people have feelings about it.
Barry Conrad
I'm hopeless, romantic, and also at the same time, I kind of, well, not I kind of feel, I know that if you love someone, particularly if you're with someone, like if you're in a relationship, then every day should be Valentine's Day. You shouldn't wait for a special day to like make someone feel special.
But if you're dating and you're sort of just like single and playing the field and just having fun, I think it's pretty exciting as well. Cause you can kind of pick a Valentine and that's a different thing. So, I mean, that that's how I feel. I do like getting nice stuff and giving nice stuff, particularly more so as well. I'm like going out to dinner and all that stuff, but I think it's like an all year. What do you, what do you think?
Melanie Avalon
I think I'm just really intrigued by the whole concept because, well, one, isn't it based on like dark things? Isn't it like St. Valentine's Massacre or something?
Barry Conrad
What? Okay, I didn't even know this.
Melanie Avalon
Long time, stay history, hold on, we look this up.
Barry Conrad
Now I think I might have to take that.
Melanie Avalon
St. Valentine's Day Massacre was February 14th, 1929. I shouldn't laugh. Let's see. Why? Okay, wait, let me take this back. Was this not when it originated?
Barry Conrad
That's scary if it is.
Melanie Avalon
that happened after. I thought the, it's just linked to Valentine's Day because it happened on Valentine's Day, but I thought that the history of it is kind of weird.
Okay, St. Valentine was a priest in the third century. The legend says that Emperor Claudius II banned marriage for young men, believing soldiers fought better unmarried. Valentine secretly performed weddings. Oh, and he was arrested and executed on February 14th. Okay, I knew there was something dark about the actual day. So he would secretly perform weddings for men. Interesting. And then there's like a whole not like a whole lot of other, I don't know, history surrounding it. But in any case, I find it really interesting because I feel like people are either, I don't know, people are in different states of relationships. So they're either like Team Valentine's Day or they like hate it. You know, it's like Single Awareness Day.
Barry Conrad
Do you hate it or are you like, I love ill-intense, did you like the feeling of it?
Melanie Avalon
It's funny, I love being single. So when people are like single Awareness Day, like as a negative, I'm like, it's great, I love it.
I don't know that I've actually, oh yes, I have, nevermind. I was gonna say that I hadn't had like a Valentine's Day date, but I have. My first memory, I think, of a Valentine's Day date was a fail and it was, I was dating, I'd been dating this man, like I'd been dating him for a while. We were like regularly dating. And then I was just casually like, this was like in college and I was like, so what do you wanna do for Valentine's Day? Like I didn't mean anything by it. And then later I got a text being like, should we, I don't know if we should like do Valentine's Day. And I was like, oh, okay, that's awkward. Moving on.
Barry Conrad
That is awkward. What? Who says that? What? What the?
Melanie Avalon
He does. So that was like, and so then after that, like every Valentine's Day, I was like, make sure you don't like inappropriately ask about Valentine's Day to anybody.
Barry Conrad
No, you should because anyone who's not, you know, weird about it is not going to say that, which is most people. Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
This is true. But yes, most recent memories of Valentine's Day were just like working in restaurants during it.
And it's Valentine's Day. I think the majority of the serving world, if you were like, what is the worst day to work? It's Valentine's Day.
Barry Conrad
Why? People with like, you know, these broad zillas are like Valentine's zillas? I don't know.
Melanie Avalon
It's because it's so crowded. You literally go nonstop for hours and hours and hours.
It's usually, if it's a fancier place, they'll have like set price menus, which are cheaper. And then there's a lot of people who, I shouldn't, how do I say this? People who would not normally be dining at that type of restaurant and might not be able to afford it really. So you don't actually make a lot in tips for the amount of time and like effort and energy that you're there. I mean, you make a lot, usually because there's just so many people, but it's not people who are typically always abundantly giving to the server. Yeah, I have like nightmares about Valentine's Day serving.
Barry Conrad
I'm picturing you like in my head, as you were talking, I was picturing you like, you know, flying around the room, just, you know, being a great service, smiling from ear to ear, just being super kind and nice, but in people being a nightmare to you.
Melanie Avalon
Literally, I mean, I wish I could go back and watch myself when I first started serving and I was in the honeymoon phase, because I was literally that. And I think I told you I'd wear like, I don't know if I told you, I'd wear like a big massive bow, like massive bow and I would like match it to my lipsticks would be like a pink bow and pink lips or a red bow and red lips.
And then like on one Christmas shift, the manager actually took one of the bows down from the wreath, which was like even bigger than the bows in my hair and he let me wear that in my hair.
Barry Conrad
Meanwhile, do you have photos of these bows? Because I need to see some of these.
Melanie Avalon
I don't know that I do. I don't know that I do. I don't think I do.
Barry Conrad
Or maybe what you could do is for Valentine's Day, you could, you know, if you have a date for Valentine's, you could wear a bow in your hand, take a photo.
Melanie Avalon
No, but I don't wear my hair up anymore. That was just for surveying. Oh, I could even like, when my hair down a big bow. Yeah. Maybe. I will consider it.
Barry Conrad
So you used to wear your hair. I've actually never seen you with your hair out before.
Melanie Avalon
Well, you'd have to for serving. But yeah, well, you should meet me in real life. I wear it up like every day. It's up right now.
Barry Conrad
No, I can't wait. It's gonna be great.
Melanie Avalon
So yes, on that note, we hope everybody has a lovely Valentine's Day better than everything I just said, which was a lot of not channel Barry Conrad, what he said about it.
Barry Conrad
I don't know if it was much better. It was just like, you know, if you like it, you like it. If you, you know, it should be all the time.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, every day, Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day.
Barry Conrad
Happy Valentine's Day, everyone, as well. And I hope you have whatever it's, if it's single awareness day for you, a Valentine's Day, hope it's awesome either way.
Melanie Avalon
All right, shall we jump into some fasting-relating things?
Barry Conrad
I can't wait. I think we should.
Melanie Avalon
I love that we went from colonoscopies to Valentine's Day.
Barry Conrad
colonoscopies to valentine's aids to fasting, like that's how we do it. And that's actually how listeners, this is actually how we talk offline as well. Like it's the same.
Melanie Avalon
we just like oscillate and quickly switch between a variety of completely random topics. Okey dokey. So first question, would you like to read Nydia's question?
Barry Conrad
I would. So, Nydia on Facebook asks, what are you drinking?
And a group I follow had a debate about tea versus coffee, like why coffee if you drink it black and have a few calories won't break a fast, but tea even though it's natural like the floral ones can break a fast. Melanie, what are your thoughts?
Melanie Avalon
Awesome, Nadia. Okay, these are great questions. It's funny, when I first read, what are you drinking? I thought she meant like alcohol, but I think she's talking about non-alcoholic morning afternoon situation stuff. Which speaking of, when this episode airs, I think my glow coffee should be coming out, I think, because we're aiming for a mid-February launch. So fingers crossed.
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So what am I drinking? I'm drinking glow coffee, which is true. But for as far as your questions, Nadia, about the tea versus coffee, very good questions. So black coffee, just straight up black coffee, plain, it doesn't have calories. For most people, it doesn't meaningfully raise insulin, it doesn't really affect anything that would instigate the eating state or the digestive state. On the contrary, it actually can support fat burning by the hormones that it upregulates. So neurotransmitters that can make you alert and help you burn fat. So it might even help you get into ketosis more or burn more fat.
Tea, so plain tea is a similar situation. So black tea, green tea, white tea, that's the same as black coffee, where they're not really going to have something that's going to confuse your body about whether or not it's in the fasted state. I know I've said this before, but just for anybody new, my mind was blown when I realized that green tea, black tea, and white tea are all the same thing. I thought they were like different plants. Like I thought black tea was a plant and green tea was a plant and white tea was a plant. But it's just how they, I guess it's how long the leaves are, what is it, fermented or do you know? I think fermented. I think so. But when it comes to these other, some teas, like flavored teas or teas where it's like, I'm thinking of, I'm having flashbacks when I used to drink all these different celestial seasoning teas. Do they have those in Australia?
Barry Conrad
I'm sure that they do have it in Australia, but it does sound like something here.
Melanie Avalon
all these flavors like they would have a um they would have like a my favorite was the Christmas cookie sleigh ride or something one like they would have like Christmas flavors like sugar plum fairy and yeah like I said Christmas cookies.
Barry Conrad
I want to try that. I want to try that. Sounds good.
Melanie Avalon
The cookie one, oh my goodness. It was so like I would put in some actually some coconut oil into it and some stevia and it would taste it would taste like a cookie. It was so good.
Interestingly, I remember though it said not gluten-free on the box and I was like that's interesting. But in any case, so any sort of tea where it's like not just tea and there's a theme going on and a flavor thing going on that is going to send signals to your body that you're possibly eating something or it can. And then same with floral related teas, they can also just because of like their flavor in them, they might also give that that signaling to your body. So if you were to try like fruit teas with dried fruit pieces, that's probably going to be a problem. Anything with natural flavor added and then some like like licorice root or hibiscus or rose. I think for those you would have to evaluate yourself and how you react. So if they don't have anything added and it's just like the rose tea or the hibiscus tea or the chamomile or the licorice, I would say try it and see does it does it make you hungry? If you have a continuous glucose monitor, you could see if it's affecting your blood sugar levels at all. But basically it's just kind of like a gray zone where it might send contradictory signals to your body about the fasted state compared to coffee and plain teas. Thoughts, Barry?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I thought you answered that beautifully, Mel. Nydia, it's a good question because I think there are a lot of debates that get way more dramatic than they need to be when it comes to, you know? I agree.
I'm usually drinking. What am I drinking, Nydia? I'm drinking water, sparkling water, black coffee, sometimes black tea. But usually I'll have black tea as a way of getting sleepy for the night. This is more of a ritual when I'm watching something really late at night. Whereas coffee, I can also drink all day, but tea is more like a relaxing thing for me. Coffee is more like, let's go get the day kind of thing. And that's my core tree or black coffee works for most people because it's basically, it's calorie free and doesn't trigger that instant response. Like Mel said, it doesn't wake up digestion in the way food does. And for a lot of it, it does help suppress appetite and make the fast feel easier. And tea can get murkier because as Mel said, again, it depends. Is it flavored? Is it themed? The issue is what's in the tea. And you know, it's not that they're quote unquote bad. It's just that they're not neutral. Something that's flavored is going to trigger an insulin response. So it's less about coffee versus tea and more about how your body responds as well. I mean, if you feel fine and you don't feel hungry like Mel said, sure, do that. You know, for other people, they can have one little bit of their flavor tea and feel really ravenous all day. So it's listening to your body. That's your clue. And you know, if it's going to make you foggy, hungry, thinking about food all day, which is not ideal, it's probably nudging you out of that faster groove and you know, at the same time, yeah, just paying attention. It's not about being perfect, but it's good to know that not all teas are made the same.
Melanie Avalon
Do you drink decaf coffee at night?
Barry Conrad
I don't typically drink coffee at night, not because I-
Melanie Avalon
I'm starting a coffee. I'm sorry. Tea. You said you drink black tea. Is it decaf black tea?
Barry Conrad
No! That's not, that's not TKF.
Melanie Avalon
You're one of those people you're like my dad, like you can have caffeine at night and it actually like helps you sleep.
Barry Conrad
I actually don't know how that works out because for me, I have it as my pre workout to help give me that kick in the morning, but at the same time, I can drink it kind of all day and not feel like I'm wired, so I don't know what the science behind that is, but I don't feel like it keeps me up at night.
Melanie Avalon
You are probably a fast-capping metabolizer. I would put money on that, genetically.
Barry Conrad
Maybe, yeah.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, like I'm a slow caffeine metabolizer. So if I have a little bit of caffeine, it like stays with me.
Barry Conrad
No way. I need like, I need at least maybe two minimum before hitting the gym in the morning.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, you probably like process it like in and out or good because you know, like they say the half-life of caffeine is six hours, but that's just the average. It really depends on how your genetic makeup processes caffeine. That's so interesting.
Barry Conrad
So when you have it, you feel like it's like a slow release kind of thing?
Melanie Avalon
So I only have a little bit of coffee in the morning, like a tiny bit, even though I love it. But if I were to have, I mean, but in the past I used to drink a ton of coffee like in college and stuff, but if I were to have more, I would feel it.
Yeah, like all day, like I would feel like I'm proud. I would still be like wired hours and hours later.
Barry Conrad
Wow, that's really interesting to me, actually.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it's a nice hack though because I have so little if I do need some, like if I do need to stay up or be really awake, I can have like a not even a lot amount of coffee and I'll be like good because I don't normally have it that much.
Barry Conrad
Do you know if it's dependent on the size of a person? Like, you know, just how large you are as a person.
Like, cause you're little, you're, you know, petite, I'm taller and bigger and a man. So is it dependent on that or not really?
Melanie Avalon
I mean, I would imagine that's a factor. I do think, though, that the main factor is just genetically.
Barry Conrad
Wow.
Melanie Avalon
So, same with, there's also like alcohol processing genes, which I know I'm good with those.
Barry Conrad
Me too.
Melanie Avalon
We're good there.
Barry Conrad
We are good there.
Melanie Avalon
All right, well, thank you, Nydia, so much for your question. OK, shall we answer? Oh, we didn't. We went straight into questions, and I forgot about the study.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, totally. I noticed that, but I thought maybe you're doing like a different.
Melanie Avalon
I don't know what I was thinking, Barry.
Barry Conrad
That's because you were talking about the colonoscopies, you were just kidding, sir.
Melanie Avalon
I was like, we're flying through this. Do you have a berry? I just bought some berries. Do you have a study about intermittent fasting you would like to share with us or might not be about fasting?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I do have a study and the study I have that I'm sharing today is called the impact of social media on the eating habits of adolescents.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, can you send me the link?
Barry Conrad
I found it really interesting. I'm sending a two-note email. Let's go to the, here we go. One, two, three. And you should have it.
So I found this super fascinating. It was carried out by the researchers. Nicola Tsikova and Pavel Kazel at the College of Physical Education and Sport, Polestra and Prague. And it was originally published in November, 2022 in the peer reviewed journal, Acta Salas Vertai. The study looked at a really solid substantial group of teenagers, 344 adolescents aged between 15 and 19, which gives it a pretty decent amount of weight. So what the researchers wanted to sort of understand was how social media is shaping the way young people eat. And they used an online questionnaire to start with and explored how often teenagers use these social platforms. What kind of food and nutrition content they're exposed to, whether they trust that information that they're exposed to, and most importantly, whether it actually changes the eating behavior. And seriously, it confirms so much of what. I suspected, and not necessarily all bad or all good, but almost every participant used social media daily. And a lot of our listeners, you listeners to this podcast have teenagers and even themselves use social media. Most of them use it for several hours a day. Platforms like IG, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, they all like really dominated the situation. And a big chunk of their scrolling included food posts, mine too, by the way. Food posts, fitness videos, body focused content, and diet related messaging. And food content was not a small side situation at all. It was baked right into their daily online experience. And Mel, one of the most sort of eye opening findings is that they found around 75% of these teenagers followed nutrition or fitness content regularly. More than half said they relied on influences for advice rather than qualified health professionals. And that alone tells you a lot about where young people and people are getting the information from in general. Nearly 45% said social media directly influences what they eat. And just over 41% said they had actively changed their eating habits based on something they saw online. I mean, not all of it was negative, as I said. So about like a third of participants said they had increased the intake of fruit and veggies after being exposed to certain content, which is great. And that shows social media can be a really positive influence when the message is reasonable and grounded, which is key. But there's another side to it because 17% of the teens reported changes that are much more worrisome, like things like restricting food, feeling guilt around food and eating, or copying extreme or unrealistic diet behaviors that they saw online, which is really dangerous. And that mental, emotional sort of impact really stood out as well because nearly 69% of these adolescents said they regularly compare their bodies or eating habits to others on social media. 59% said social media had worse in their relationship with food and their bodies and their body so burden to carry at a young age.
Barry Conrad
And it just shows how closely self-worth and food and online validation are becoming so intertwined with each other. And another thing I found super interesting was that these teens weren't completely uncritical. So around 68% said they do sometimes fact check nutrition, good job, information outside of social media, and just over half follow at least some sort of verified or professional accounts. Still, most of them sort of, they rated the trustworthiness of social media nutrition advice as only moderate, which makes sense when so much of it comes from influences rather than evidence-based sources.
And so I kind of thought, how does all this sort of tie into IF and intermittent fasting? And why would I share this? Because fasting content lives in the exact same online spaces, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube. They're all full of fasting challenges, dramatic before and afters, pictures that are enhanced, and advice that really a lot of the time is dangerous and lacks context for people. Like someone that could look amazing and post a plan is not necessarily something they followed. So this study is a reminder that people absorb food beliefs from what they see, especially young audiences. And without guidance, those messages can really turn into restriction. And as we talked about in the show so many times about guilt around food and rather than health. So any listeners out there who are parents or have teenagers or are teenagers, this study highlights just how important it is to talk openly about food, social media, and intention. Because IF, when done properly, is actually flexible and grounded and structured. It's not about extremes and it's definitely not about punishment. And this really reinforces why education and balance really matter. So now I think this is a really good conversation. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness, okay, so many things. Well, one, so when I first heard the title, I thought it was going to be about like looking at social media while eating and how that affects it, not because of the content, just because of like being distracted today.
Because I was literally thinking last night, I was thinking about how, because when I eat, I read books, I look at, yeah, social media. When you eat, do you do other things?
Barry Conrad
When I'm eating, I typically like to watch a show or something like that, you know what I mean? Sometimes I might look at something, but my hands are full and my mouth is full too, so often I'll be watching a show or something like that, a guilty pleasure or something.
Melanie Avalon
So it's, it's interesting because I was thinking last night, I was like, cause they say, you know, that you should just not do stuff like that while eating and just like be in the moment. And I, and I was thinking about, and I was thinking if everybody did that, like if we actually just ate and didn't distract ourselves otherwise, actually I'm going to talk about this next week in the study that I'm talking about. I was like, that would actually, we would probably eat way less because it, you know, just mindlessly, it's interesting how like when you're doing something else and not focusing on actually eating, I feel like you can just kind of keep eating.
But in any case, now I understand that this is more about how, you know, what we see in social media, how it's affecting our thoughts of our body image and what we put in our body and what we don't. And what's really interesting to me is that like the idea of credible health professionals. So like the people that we should be getting the information from what I find interesting is so conventional doctors in general are not always like staying up on the latest literature because they're in the office actually, you know, seeing patients and doing procedures and things like that. And they're not usually vocal spokespeople except to their individual patients unless they become like an author and write a book. Or there's like researchers who write like scientific journals, but I don't think most people are reading scientific journals for fun like I am. So where I'm going with this is I think on the one hand, it's really great that there is now an avenue where there can be these quote influencers who if they are credible can share the information they find, you know, interview the people. I mean, kind of like what I'm doing. My point is like, I think there are people that you can follow and get good information from and it's not necessarily a negative thing per se. And if anything you might be exposed to more update and current information, but then at the same time, there's so many influencers and there's until much of it is just trendy and click bait and you know, short attention span and not giving you a lot of information that you need.
I guess you have to know it's kind of like the onus is on and the responsibility is on the person to decide who they're following, who they're looking at. And then on top of that to decide their mindset surrounding how they engage with it, because something that you said, reminded me, I thought it was interesting that the study that you read or that you talked about showed both the positives and the negatives, you know, like there, like there's good and bad here. And I'm being reminded of I'm trying to remember who it was. It was a guest that I recently interviewed for my show and she was talking about the role of social media and like food and diet and self-image and like mental health and wellness.
Melanie Avalon
And basically it all came down to, it wasn't even about like the content. So the content could be whatever the content was. It was literally all about the person reading the content. And did you find this sort of content motivating or did you find it like a comparison game?
And I almost feel like that's the, I don't want to say the end all, but like the mindset that you have when you come into this is either, I mean, not to be black and white, but are you there to be motivated and find information and make yourself better? Or are you there to compare yourself? Because if you're there to compare yourself, it doesn't even matter what you're looking at. Like nothing is going to create a healthy situation for you if you're just there comparing yourself. But if you're there, like looking for information genuinely and honestly and looking for motivation, then on the flip side, it's like almost same thing. Like maybe almost any content could be helpful. That's kind of like a meandering thing. But yeah, what are your thoughts on that?
How do you feel like you engage with social media content?
Barry Conrad
I was actually just talking to someone about this, an active friend of mine yesterday or the day before, actually the day before, and she actually got rid of her social media because she found that it wasn't helpful for her mental health and whatnot. So I do think that it's, you asked how I feel about it.
When I'm feeling tired and my defenses are down, my attitude towards social media can be very different to what it's like when all sources are firing and I feel great, meaning I often may have to like eject or like, take a second because I know that, as you just said, like the point that you made, it doesn't matter what you see on your screen, if you're not in the state of mind or not in a great place or not in the strongest place, comparison could creep in or it's just not gonna be helpful. It could just feel like noise, but when you feel like you have a clear head, you set your mind for the day, speaking to myself, then I can jump in. But I do find it supremely helpful and it's a part of my job and also it can be overwhelming as well. So you're exactly right, how you enter the space is important and exposing yourself to it, going to look for something while you're feeling vulnerable in any way, it's never really gonna result in a good outcome, I think. Whether that's a mindset shift or actions you take, I think it's important, you're right now.
Melanie Avalon
It's interesting because I think, for me, it's hard to, you know, look at yourself in a non-biased way because it is you. And at the same time, I think I tend to be motivated by social media, like, in general. I either use it to find information to better my life, or if I see people who, like, have a certain body aesthetic that I like, I get, I get motivated by that. Like, I like looking at people that I think physically are the way that I want to look. Yeah, I find it more motivating rather than making me feel worse about myself, but it's such a slippery slope.
And I think so many people struggle with the opposite, where it's just, you know, constant comparison game. So I have not done, I don't think I've done, like, a social media fast.
Barry Conrad
Really?
Melanie Avalon
I don't think so.
Barry Conrad
Do you ever like even like a couple days or like a day like you you weren't going at all, whether it's intentional or not, do you always kind of feel like off because you feel motivated and inspired by it. You kind of like look forward to going to it every day kind of thing.
Melanie Avalon
It's really ironic because I literally have one of my stickers on my calendar. So I have like my calendar of like things I have to do every day. One of my stickers is I have to go on Facebook. Not have to, I like, I like going on Facebook.
Let me, let me say that again. I love the Facebook group. I, I'm trying to, I realized that I wasn't in it as much as I wanted to be in the past. And so I was like, I should just make sure I go in every day and post something like every day, no exception. So it's just ironic because I literally have a goal to do that. I think with it being my job, because your question was, what, would I basically go and try that?
Barry Conrad
Or do you ever take or intermittently fast social media or take breaks over the holidays or like a work break or something like that?
Melanie Avalon
Okay, well actually here's something, because this is a game changer for me. Once I turn off social media at night, I like have my cap at the end of the night.
I will not engage, I'll consume passively content, but I will not go into any sort of social media situation where it's like engaging with people, if that makes sense.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
Melanie Avalon
And I use time blocks for Facebook at least, so I only go on Facebook at night. I do not look at it during the day.
I should get better about that with Instagram. I should probably do time blocks with Instagram.
Barry Conrad
Timelocks, like a timer, you reach your limit for the day.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, basically. Or like I should just do it when I'm in the sauna. That's what I should do, is only do it in the sauna.
Barry Conrad
Wow. This is a super, it's a really interesting topic because I feel like safe to say if someone's listening to this, they probably are on social media, likely anyway.
So it's like everyone has a story of their relationship to it.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, and it's interesting to because I know people will say on like on Instagram and stuff that that people just show their highlight reels and That so that's true. Like so like my instagram is quote the highlight reel in my life.
So it's Information about the podcast and then it's usually like whatever show I saw or whatever fun thing i'm doing That's what I post. I don't post my everyday, you know life But at the same time I don't see that as a negative because to me it's like a scrapbook, you know it's like capturing like we used to capture memories and physical photos And we made elp we made photo albums but now we make instagrams
Barry Conrad
Yeah, no, I completely agree and I don't know why it's it's like, well, you're not showing everything. Well, also, why should you have to show everything?
It doesn't mean that we're not going through mundane or necessarily bad things or just boring blah things. But if you choose to share something exciting, that's great. It doesn't mean that we only have those things happening, but I think it's a good thing.
Melanie Avalon
Exactly because okay, so here's my here's my thought with that. It's like if I was just sharing literally everything about me every second that is just like pure ego the stuff I try to share I try I like sharing about like shows I see like I like sharing stuff that has content where people can like experience it through me because there's some content there or they can like it's not typically I just don't think I just don't have any interest in just posting like oh here's me in my kitchen hi
Barry Conrad
Here's you, but like here, I'm buying some cucumbers right now. This is the cut. I'm, you know, pushing. I get what you're saying. Awesome.
Listen, we'd love to hear from you as well. What's your relationship to social media and does it impact your diet or your food or does it motivate you? Does it not? Let us know what you think.
Melanie Avalon
I didn't even touch on that part, how it affects what people are actually eating. Does it affect what you eat?
Barry Conrad
No. I mean, actually, no, I lied. It affects how I eat in a good way, meaning I like to find good recipes. That's all.
It's not like I'm very happy with my food choices, aka the types of food I like to have. It's more like an effect.
Ah, I want to try that. More like that.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, same. I think I'm very immune to like changing it based on, you know, something else, something that I see from somebody else, which again is a teaser for next week.
Barry Conrad
I can't wait to hear your study.
Melanie Avalon
So awesome find. Should we do another one or should we go to our restaurant?
Barry Conrad
It's your go-to restaurant.
Melanie Avalon
We could, yeah. Speaking of food.
Barry Conrad
Speaking of food, now I'm hungry.
Melanie Avalon
Well, that's good timing because you're going to be eating in a, in a bit. Okay.
Well, friends, this part of the show, we love to end the show with our proverbial breaking of the fast moment. And this is where we find really cool restaurants and we imagine how we would break our fast, because the benefits of fasting are not just from the fasting, they are in large part from the actual eating window.
So I found a restaurant.
Barry Conrad
I'm waiting with bed at birth. I can't wait to see, is it going to be scary? Is it going to be, is it going to be an Epcot? Is it going to be, I'm trying to think.
Melanie Avalon
It's something that is not open year-round, but it will be open when this airs.
Barry Conrad
Hmm.
Melanie Avalon
So this is an Alaskan restaurant. It is called Seven Glaciers. It's in Anchorage, Alaska.
It's high up in the, I don't know how you say this, the Chukok Mountains. And to get there, you have to take an aerial tram. And it goes 2,300 feet up to this location. And it's at the Aleiska Resort. And the restaurant, again, is called Seven Glaciers. And apparently, you can see, it's called that because you can see seven glaciers through all the windows. So here is the restaurant.
Barry Conrad
By the way, awesome name, that's such a good name.
Melanie Avalon
Isn't it? I know.
And it is fine dining and they have wild game and local seafood and seasonally forage produce. They're one of America's 100 best wine restaurants in 2023 by wine enthusiasts. They have a recipient of the Wine Spectator Best of Award of Excellence. They have the AAA Four Diamond Award as well.
Oh, and the seven glaciers are Crow Glacier, Raven Glacier, Eagle Glacier, called them birds, Clear Glacier, Goat Glacier, Milk Glacier, and Ialeeska Glacier.
Barry Conrad
Sounds incredible.
Melanie Avalon
What's something that's really funny is I love that they have a nightcap reservation as well. Nice, we want that. Sure, yes. So here's the, we can do the sample menu.
Barry Conrad
Here we go, clicking on in, seven glaciers. So there's a chef's tasting menu and there's a chef's taste. Okay, so there's, wow, it looks so good.
Melanie Avalon
I guess this is two sample menus. So I guess it's a set. Do you get all of that?
Barry Conrad
I want to say you get it all, like, depending on which side, is that it? Or is it the whole lot? I think it's each sign because the dessert's different on each side.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. So it looks like it is, I guess it's always a set price menu. So actually, this will be interesting for me.
Barry Conrad
because historically we know that you would have a set menu, but you prefer to have ala khat.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, you know what? I think the one on the left is the vegan menu and then the one on the right is a sample non-vegan menu. So would you go vegan or non-vegan?
Barry Conrad
non-vegan, thank you very much.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Okay.
So there's not a lot to go through because it's just a sample menu, but I guess we can talk about if we would eat this or not or how we would get it. Okay. So for the non-vegan, well, oh, scallop ceviche to start with seaweed crisp and tiger milk. I would have that depending on how it's created. Might have to do some edits.
Barry Conrad
It actually sounds delicious. Do you like Sabeet J? I love Sabeet J.
Melanie Avalon
I do. I haven't had scallop form, have you?
Barry Conrad
No, I actually haven't. This is very unusual.
Melanie Avalon
I think I've only had shrimp.
Barry Conrad
Shrimp ceviche, I've had like, oh, like King, like there's just so much, especially in Bali, there's so many different kinds of fish and seafood. They just love having a ceviche style there, but I've never had scallop before.
Melanie Avalon
Scallops of EJ. So scallops and then forage greens, garden and mountain herbs, carrots, zucchini. You can, do you want mine for there, for that one?
Barry Conrad
I love it. I mean, I'm all for the food.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, perfect. Lobster bisque. Do you like lobster bisque?
Barry Conrad
I do actually like lobster bisque. I had a disaster cooking with a lobster bisque that was store-bought, which I won't do it again.
I'm not going to call it the name of the store, and it's not Whole Foods.
Melanie Avalon
It was like pre-made or like not in a can. It was like at a or what was it in a can?
Barry Conrad
It was like a tub of like lobster bisque, but it was like a viral picture, like a viral, you know, recipe online. And they said, you have to try this lobster bisque. And so I tried doing it and it was just like, uh, it was too mushy and not great.
But this one doesn't look mushy and not great. This one looks great. Scallop, crouton, paddlefish, caviar.
Melanie Avalon
Cattlefish caviar. Ooh.
Barry Conrad
Would you have that?
Melanie Avalon
I'll have some of the caviar. I literally, the other day, I've been craving smoked salmon. Like the raw, wait, have you been to Whole Foods yet in person?
Barry Conrad
I actually have, but I haven't liked it. I haven't had like a big shop, but I have been inside one. Yes.
Melanie Avalon
How was it?
Barry Conrad
It's awesome. It's like it has everything.
Melanie Avalon
Are you going to keep going back?
Barry Conrad
Okay. Listen, as Melanie keeps, she really wants me to just like be a whole foods convertie. And I do think it's what they're awesome. They have so much produce. There's so much meat, so much everything. It's great.
I will be going back.
Melanie Avalon
We got to get you going every day like me.
Barry Conrad
Every day.
Melanie Avalon
Actually, I did not go today, which is very rare, but almost every day.
Barry Conrad
I can't actually, I can actually forgot that you do that. It's wild to me that you, you just like, you like the feeling of it, right?
Melanie Avalon
I gotta go out and I gotta like, I gotta hunt my food. You know, I gotta like gather. It's like my natural cave girl coming out.
Barry Conrad
You know what, that could be, that's the thing.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, no, I went to, I don't know why I've been craving smoked salmon. So I literally went and spent, I don't even know how long, 15 minutes. I looked at the, they have a lot of smoked salmon and I looked at the back of every single one. I'm trying to find one without salt.
They all have salt and they all have the sodium level is insane on smoked salmon. It's like your entire sodium in like a pack and I don't add salt to anything. So I think it would wipe me out.
Barry Conrad
So it's fair to say you didn't get any?
Melanie Avalon
No, but what's funny is I have now done this twice, like within a week, like gone and spent 15 minutes, looked at everything and then like the next day I'm like, you know what? Maybe I missed it.
Let me try again. 15 more minutes. Looking at the back of everyone. Yeah.
Barry Conrad
I do love smoke salmon and also I've never heard you mention that you craved smoke salmon before so that's new.
Melanie Avalon
The reason I thought about it, by the way, was we were talking about caviar and the smoked salmon is right next to the caviar. And I was like, I'm not even going to look at the caviar because the sodium content is probably equally insane.
No, yeah, I do like, do you like smoked salmon?
Barry Conrad
I'm obsessed with it. Seriously, I'd have packs and packs of it. I love it so much.
Melanie Avalon
I feel better now, though, because I feel like I've gone to a lot of restaurants and had the smoked salmon and complained in my head about it being too salty and I was blaming the restaurant. But now I think it's just the way it is.
So that's probably my bad. Okay, then we have agnolotti and wild garlic. What is that?
Barry Conrad
Have a look at it. What's egg and a lonnie? Hold on. This is.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, it's a pasta. It is? Mm-hmm. It's stuffed pasta from Italy. Ooh. Like a... I know what you're gonna say.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rigottani?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, that's not what I thought you were gonna say. What am I thinking up? What are those really, really good stuff, things that are like pasta stuffed with like?
Barry Conrad
I'm not yucky. It's rigatoni. I know what you're talking about though. It's not, it's not rigatoni.
Melanie Avalon
I don't know if you do.
Barry Conrad
I do, it's like kind of squares that you kind of...
Melanie Avalon
Oh, yeah, it's like small, nochi, nochi.
Barry Conrad
So, gnocchi. Did you say nochi? It's gnocchi. Oh, my gosh.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, that was a no cheat. I'm going to let me let me play the pronunciation.
Barry Conrad
This is a moment, this is, I've never heard you say, it's gnocchi.
Melanie Avalon
I've always said nochi. Wait, let me play it. Oh, niyoki. I mean, hey, at least I didn't say good, good, good, good nochi.
Barry Conrad
You know what, actually what I was actually thinking of, I'm wrong. It's not what you're talking about.
It's ravioli, ravioli. That's what's like typically square or circular pastas or pasta filled with ricotta, spinach, meat, lobster. It's delicious.
Melanie Avalon
We know, I think ravioli must be more common here than Australia.
Barry Conrad
No. It's coming in Australia. It just was escaping me. I don't know why.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so you're thinking of ravioli, I was thinking of naki.
Barry Conrad
Nochi, gnocchi, nochi.
Melanie Avalon
But now but but what we have is agnolotti and wild garlic. I Do like goat cheese and I do like garlic and I do like porcini, but I will not be eating that
Barry Conrad
He won't be having like a little morsel.
Melanie Avalon
Nope, I can't do the pasta. Okay, okay, now we're speaking my language. Halibut and asparagus. Yes, with asparagus, verjuice, and green oil.
Barry Conrad
It sounds really good and light as well. I do love asparagus.
Melanie Avalon
Halibut is, halibut is moderate. It's probably the high moderate side of mercury, but I will take one for the team and have it.
And then, ooh, next one. Steak asparagus, morel sauce, Argentinian loin, veal juice, asparagus, espuma. It's dairy-free, gluten-free. Okay, yes, steak. Yes, and I will be having it.
Barry Conrad
This menu is actually really good.
Melanie Avalon
It is good. Mine's going to take a lot of editing, but how will you have your steak prepared?
Barry Conrad
Medium rare, I know that you're going to go blue, right?
Melanie Avalon
Yes, which I don't know if we'll get to this question next week, but we have a question about this and I learned so much researching it
Barry Conrad
I can't wait to hear all the new data about it. I just got you, because you, Melanie has her steak blues.
So barely, basically throw it in the pan, take it out for five seconds later. That's how she likes it. That's like raw.
Melanie Avalon
Yup. And then, okay, dessert. Well, we can get both because would you get both of them or would you get one or the other? You can read them if you like, because you can have mine is the point.
Barry Conrad
I would have both. One of them is mango and coconut. So it's coconut, granita, pina colada, mango, flambé, egg, or blueberry and lemon, which is chocolate air, blueberry, sorbet, sponge cake. Oh yeah, that sounds really, really good.
Yum. Both of them sound delicious actually.
Melanie Avalon
Why do they come with egg, I'm confused.
Barry Conrad
Does it mean it's baked with, are they saying that maybe it's baked with egg or something like that? Because they both have it.
Yeah, I don't think the egg is on top of it. I think maybe it's the way the base is made or something like that. I'm guessing.
Melanie Avalon
like custard, maybe?
Barry Conrad
Yes, maybe.
Melanie Avalon
And then each pairing, okay, there's a wine pairing if you want to do it. And they're four ounce pours thoughtfully chosen to enhance the flavors of your meal and create a seamless journey throughout your dinner.
So I know we've talked about this before, but just to be super clear, when there's wine pairings, do you do the wine pairings or do you prefer to like pick what you're drinking?
Barry Conrad
I always prefer to pick what I'm drinking, but I am also a man of the land. So if I'm at a place and this is our special thing, I'm going to give it a go. But if I don't enjoy it as much, I'll get something else afterwards.
You know what I mean? As well. Yeah. What about you?
Melanie Avalon
Always pick my own always, you know, I wonder if they have we you know what I'm kind of sad I should have waited until next week to do this because I think they open I think they open in three days They'll probably have the menu. They'll probably have the current menu up in three days Let me see if the wine menu is there
Barry Conrad
Actually, yeah, they should have a wine list, no? I'm sure, surely.
Melanie Avalon
I feel very confident that they will have a wine that I like, but I just love, I haven't, I have not seen something before where you, where there's a nightcap reservation. What time is it?
Let's see. So it's between 7.30 to 9. So I wonder if that's, you're just getting a drink then?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, or is it like a nightcap service where it's like several drinks or like a flight of, you know, I don't know.
Melanie Avalon
I mean, nightcap, you're like speaking my language.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, yeah, me too. Just not as late as Mel and Evelyn, who's Mel and Evelyn's.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, here's an Instagram post from last year. It says, enjoy this special menu from 730 to 10 Tuesdays through Saturdays. And so I guess it's just like a, yeah, I guess it's just like a special tasting menu situation.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I think so. I don't think it's one glass or something. I can't imagine, right?
Melanie Avalon
Probably not.
Barry Conrad
This sounds good though, this place.
Melanie Avalon
And then the pictures, it just looks really pretty.
Barry Conrad
It really does actually.
Melanie Avalon
So, yep. Awesome. Well, this was so, so lovely listeners. We hope you enjoyed your time with us.
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Barry Conrad
Everybody have an awesome Valentine's Day. Thank you so much for joining us again and have an amazing week
Melanie Avalon
Wait, I have one last question for you before we go. With Valentine's Day, how far in advance do you make reservations? Are you like a last minute planner, or is it already reserved now in December?
Barry Conrad
I'm definitely not last minute because Valentine's Day reservations go like that. Like they really get scooped up.
You have to be, you have to get on your game. You have to be on your game. What about you?
Melanie Avalon
Definitely a planner, but I'm never planning to have Valentine's with anybody. So if I were, I would.
Barry Conrad
It's possible in the future.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it's just it's just hard when you don't know like, what the situation is going to be, then you could like, no, I'm the type of person last thing. I am the type of person like, when I am making an important reservation like that, I will make like three reservations at three different restaurants. I'll cancel in time, but I, I like to have options.
And then I want the other person to have options. And then what if like, yeah, so I usually make multiple reservations.
Barry Conrad
This is very interesting to know.
Melanie Avalon
Mm-hmm. So on that note, listeners, we hope you have a lovely Valentine's Day, and Barry, I will talk to you next week.
Barry Conrad
Talk to you next week.
Melanie Avalon
Bye. Bye.
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