#442 – Special Guest Nayan Patel, The Glutathione Revolution, Shocking Antioxidant Facts, Boosting GSH, The Importance Of Protein Substrates, Vitamin C Pro-Oxidation, Skin Support, Alcohol Detox Support, Copper Peptide Serums, ATP, Enzymes, NAD+, & Amino Acids, Effective Clean Skincare, And More!
Welcome to Special Guest Episode 442 of The Intermittent Fasting Podcast, hosted by Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What When Wine Diet: Lose Weight And Feel Great With Paleo-Style Meals, Intermittent Fasting, And Wine, and Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC.
Dr. Nayan Patel is a sought after pharmacist, wellness expert, and thought leader in his industry. He has been working with physicians since 1999 to custom develop medication for their clients and design a patient specific drug and nutrition regimen. He has been the pharmacist of choice to celebrities, CEO’s and physicians themselves.
He recently published his first comprehensive book, “The Glutathione Revolution: Fight Disease, Slow Aging & Increase Energy.” After more than a decade of clinical research on the master antioxidant, glutathione, Dr. Patel finally shares how powerful and essential glutathione is to the body’s detox system. He speaks about the various benefits it has with slowing the aging process down, and explains how you can increase your levels naturally. Dr. Patel is a firm believer in providing the body with tools it needs to defend itself and promote a healthy lifestyle that fits the pace of the modern world.
Nayan Patel, Pharm.D is globally regarded as the foremost go-to expert on absorbable forms of glutathione, and holds the only patent on transdermal glutathione. In addition to many other topics such as cellular function and hormone replacement, Patel is a highly sought after global authority on the critical role in that glutathione, and all other antioxidants and endogenous molecules play in the body. Along with traveling the world educating practitioners on advanced biochemistry and anti-aging science, Dr. Patel also serves as adjunct faculty at the University Of Southern California School Of Pharmacy where he is also an alumnus.
He is currently a licensed compounding pharmacist that is still involved in designing and compounding drugs and nutrition therapies for his patients that includes athletes, CEO’s, highly stressed actors, physicians themselves and the community where he has practiced for 27 years. Besides being a pharmacist, CEO, and leader, he is a father to his three kids, husband to his supportive wife and a son to his dad who is the inspiration to help heal the world.
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Melanie Avalon
Welcome to Episode 442 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy, and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat, with no calorie counting, then this show is for you. I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What, When, Wine. Lose weight and feel great with paleo-style meals, intermittent fasting, and wine. And I'm joined by my co-hosts, Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with B.C. For more on us, check out MelanieAvalon.com and BarryConradOfficial.com. You can submit questions for the show by emailing questions at iapodcast.com or by going to iapodcast.com. We would love to hear from you. Please remember, the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment. So pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine if it's that time, and get ready for the Intermittent Fasting Podcast.
Hi, everybody, and welcome. This is episode number 442 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon, and I am here today with such a special guest. Friends, I am so excited about this conversation. So this fabulous guest I have actually had on the Melanie Avalon Biohacking Podcast twice now, and I have met him and hung out with him multiple times at multiple conferences. He just happens to be one of my favorite humans in, I mean, this whole sphere. And that is Dr. Nayan Patel. I first met him when I read his book, and it is called The Glutathione Revolution, Fight Disease, Slow Aging, and Increase Energy. And friends, when it comes to our health and wellness, we talk a lot about antioxidants. And you might have heard, I mean, I feel like most people have heard of glutathione, you know, and you might be doing things like getting IVs even, or taking, you know, supplement forms, or, you know, trying to boost your glutathione levels. And there is a lot of confusion out there when it comes to what is the best way to actually support and boost glutathione in your body because it is our master antioxidant. And especially friends, when it comes to things like fasting and diet and fitness, antioxidants are so key to feeling well during everything and not only feeling well, but really optimizing your life. And I now honestly, so I read the book, I learned all about what glutathione actually is, how it functions in the body, how you actually can increase it. And I started using Dr. Patel's transdermal form of glutathione. I use it every single night of my life. And I have now for years, that is a true statement. And on top of that, I also use some of his skincare products, which are incredible for your skin. Prepare to have your mind blown because this is going to be just an epic conversation. So Dr. Patel, thank you so much for being here.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Well, thank you very much for having me here today. I appreciate the introduction.
And I'm glad that your audience is savvy and they're looking to improve their health. And I appreciate this. I can't believe this is a 4 and 20 second episode and your audience is still here. So that means you have some great information. And I'm glad to be here as a messenger for the Health and Wellness Journey.
Melanie Avalon
I think now we've seen each other maybe at maybe three conferences and it's always like super hectic and I feel like we always like squeeze it in like one of us is leaving but it happens every time I do see you and also fight on because you I forget you you taught at USC or went to USC.
Dr. Nayan Patel
So I didn't do my graduate school at USC and I'm still have edging faculty over there as well.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, awesome, awesome, awesome. Okay, so I have so many questions for you. It's exciting because I pulled out all my old notes from when you've come on before and I have so many notes here.
So glutathione, a little bit about your personal story. When did you realize that you were going to become the glutathione guy and how do you feel about that?
Dr. Nayan Patel
Boy, you know when you grow up as a kid, no one wants to be a glue with iron guy They want they would be an astronaut. They want to be they want to conquer the world They want to be a doctor They would have been something something very very nice and cool, but not a glue with iron guy for sure And that was not my dream either But you know what I I learned something differently if you keep your arms open and in your heart open The universe will guide you to what's necessary and what's what what people want And I thought I was guided towards working on this molecule by I don't know who but anyways I was guided to to work on to bring this to the To the world and hopefully they can experience the power of what glue time does inside a body Naturally, and so I thought this journey back in the late 90s early 2000 When I was hired to work on actually like liposomal vitamin C And they thought the vitamin C is the next the best antioxidant that ever existed so can we make it better and so I started doing some research and I found out wait a second Glutathone is by far the most powerful antioxidant ever body produces.
Why are we talking about glutathione and The doctor that hired me told me oh, no, that's too hard to work with so let's just stick to vitamin C So I did his project but on the side. I said wait a second Why is this so hard and so that was my first introduction to bring something in the marketplace back in the late 90s early 2000 and The rest as I say is history because all you can do is once your heart gets into something to work on We discovered a stable form of glutathione in seven years.
So by 2007, we already have a stable molecule It was able to get through your skin inside your cell the cell membrane took me another 13 or 14 more years to do research to figure out how much to give you how often to Give you how long can I give it to you for? Am I gonna get results results repeatedly if you take it for five ten years in a row? Is it gonna get better and better every single time? And so I had a lot of questions and not enough answers in the world So I said I'll do my own research and eventually by 2021 We were able to release the product of the to the public in the mid in the middle of the pandemic So that's my story
Melanie Avalon
Wow. Okay.
So many things here. So interesting about, you know, them saying glutathione was too difficult to study. And then, you know, you worked for years and years to get this form that we can get into our body. Something I learned in your book, actually, is so glutathione, is it the second most abundant molecule in our body?
Dr. Nayan Patel
That's right, next to water. That's crazy. It is, and the thing is, we don't even make water, we drink water.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. Wow. Okay. So I mentioned in the introduction, like this word, antioxidants, and you've mentioned vitamin C now, glutathione, for listeners, because I think people hear antioxidants and they think, oh, like good things that, you know, help us.
So how do antioxidants actually function in the body? And in particular, what is the difference between, because you just mentioned we don't, we drink water, we don't, you know, create it. What is the difference between antioxidants that our bodies naturally create versus taking them in through food and supplements and things like that.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Absolutely. So that's a great question. I think there's like three or four questions in there, and I'll try to get everything into like one example. So hopefully everybody gets the whole picture of it.
But when you look at antioxidant, there's lots of fruits and vegetables and vitamins in the marketplace today that claims to be an antioxidant. At the end of the day, there are only three ways to reduce oxidation in our body. Now, the reason we need antioxidants is because our body is exposed to oxidation every single second. Because you breathe oxygen, when the oxygen gets inside your body, if it's not getting used up, the excess oxygen is actually producing oxidation to your body. When the oxidation inside your body increases to a point where your body can neutralize those oxidation, it becomes oxidative stress. And that oxidative stress leads to all kinds of diseases.
But that's a stick on the oxidation part. And so what's the big deal about oxidation? I'll give you a simple scenario. If you just take a piece of nail, an iron nail that you get it from your local hardware store, if you put some water droplets on there and put it outside in the sun, within a few days, it will get rusted, right? And once it gets rusted, that's it. And if you don't do anything about it, then eventually the whole thing will just become powder and it's gone, right? And so the whole process is called oxidation. So the oxidation is happening inside our body all the time. Either we breathe oxygen or the oxidative components that are introduced inside our body because of chemical reactions that happens every single second in our body. All those leads to oxidation and will lead to oxidative stress eventually.
So antioxidants is what we need to neutralize those parts. And that's one of the reasons why we body produces so much glutathione because it's the master antioxidant our body produces. And by the way, there's only three or four things our body produces that are considered as an antioxidant. One is glutathione. I'll put them in bucket number one. The bucket number two is the body produces three enzymes, which is catalase is one of them. Superoxide dismutase is SOD. By in short, I believe there's a major skincare company that uses SOD as their flagship product to deliver as an antioxidant. And the third product is glutathione peroxidase enzyme is GPX for short. So these three enzymes are basically are components that helps reduce oxidative stress. And I put them in bucket number two. And the bucket number three is all the antioxidants that you take from outside sources, like vitamin C. Our body does not produce vitamin C. We take it from the fruits and vegetables that we eat. Vitamin E, CoQ10, the juices that you drink and the pills you take. I mean, there's so much things that's out of the bucket number three.
And I'm going to tell you something really, really profound right now. That is bucket number one, which is glutathione. Glutathione by itself is more powerful than bucket number two and three combined.
Dr. Nayan Patel
And so I just want to make people understand that part that if you only have one chance, one chance to get yourself healthier, are you going to put yourself in antioxidants from outside sources like any carrot juice and orange juice and things like that? Or are you going to put all your faith into one molecule which is glutathione?
Which me, personally, of course, is glutathione because it's by far the most strongest one, the most powerful one, the most abundant molecule producing your body that will deal with all these problems for us.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness, I see friends. This is why I love this conversation because we are actually getting the information on antioxidants. I have so many questions.
I have a very random, just really quick question to ask because I was contemplating this actually last week. When you go and you look at the steaks at the store and they're red and then some are turning brown or you have them, you bring them home and then they turn brown, my understanding is that the steak oxidized. Is that correct?
Is that why it turned brown?
Dr. Nayan Patel
That's exactly right.
Melanie Avalon
So is that, this was the question that I have. If you still eat some of the steak that had turned brown, does that have a problematic ingredient in it for your health since it's oxidized?
Dr. Nayan Patel
So there are a few components in there. You're not eating steak for antioxidants. You're eating steak for amino acids. There's a bunch of protein in there. There's a monosylic topping down into various amino acids. And that's what you're eating the steak for.
The top layer that is getting oxidized, it's the tissue that's getting oxidized. Is it bad for you to eat oxidized food? Kind of. But the thing is, the majority of the food that you're eating on the steak is inside, not the top layer of it. So the grand scheme of the whole thing is not a bad thing. Keep in mind, whenever you cook any meats, any meats, the top layer is going to get oxidized anyways, always. Because it is going to oxidize. So the top layer of all the meats is what we call them is advanced glycation end products, A-G-Es, or in short form, H. And guess what the advanced glycation end products do to you? They make you age faster. So A-G-Es are not good for you. In moderation, their body can deal with it. As long as you have enough glue or thion, they will neutralize those A-G products out of your system and you go back to normal. But eating a lot of those foods is definitely a problem. The number one food has the highest amount of A-G-Es in there, is guess what?
Melanie Avalon
while protein reacted with sugar, right? So, I mean, I don't know. I hope it's not cooked meat.
Dr. Nayan Patel
because it is the very high temperature and very short amount of time. They try to zap every single thing with a very high temperature and that that pizza has the highest amount of AGEs or advanced glycation end products in them.
Now of course if you have home-good pizzas that you do a low temperatures and different story but I'm talking about store-bought pizzas that's the same thing. So going back to your steak if it's out at the top part is brown I'll rather not have that but you know what the grand scheme is not as bad as you think it is.
Melanie Avalon
Thank you so much. This question has been haunting me. I said last week, that's when I was really pondering it. But honestly, for years, I think it, I think it every time. So thank you.
Little thing about the AGEs. It's just funny to me because I always assumed that it just was a coincidence that AGE, like that advanced glycation in product, that that was the acronym, but they actually purposely, it was purposeful. I think I want to, I've heard something about this. Like they actually called it that in part because it made that acronym. So the science community has their, their, their humor, I guess.
Question about the timeline because you just mentioned how there's these three different groups of antioxidants and, you know, glutathione way surpasses its potential of the second two groups. And that, that third group is the one I think most people think of with antioxidants because they're thinking of fruits and, you know, different foods that have vitamin C and vitamin E and all these antioxidants that we often think of a reason this may be a good thing. And it's going to, that will be answered in part with my question is what is the, the timeline of all of these different antioxidants and the body, the curiousness I have here, especially with the intermittent fasting podcast audience is, you know, when people are doing their fasting, we do a lot of water only fasting here. So it's not like people are going to be drinking fruit juices for antioxidants during their fast. So how does it play out when people are fasting and detoxing and needing these antioxidants and using up antioxidants, where are they coming from?
What's the timeline? So like how, how do we keep glutathione like going during our fast? If we ate antioxidants the night before, are they still around during the fast? How does that all work?
Dr. Nayan Patel
So to produce glutathione, we need three amino acids, glycine, glutamine, and cysteine. So cysteine is one of those amino acids that is not abundantly following most diet. So if you just put in a furious search engine, cysteine-rich foods. And so as long enough cysteine coming from your diet on a daily basis, you could not eat for a whole day, and your body has enough cysteine to keep on producing this glutathione for the rest of the day, not a problem whatsoever.
So we just have to make sure there's enough basic components that it needs to produce its own glutathione as it demands increases. Now when the intermittent fasting people has lived a different story because what they're triggering is autophagy or senescent cells. What's triggering is that, hey, it's trying to get rid of all these dead cells, zombie cells that could be high in inflammation and low in any kind of energy source. So you want to try to get rid of it. And so that's what the IF community was all begun with, is to increase that component. But having to produce glutathione, I mean, you can fast for a couple of days and your body still has the ability to produce its own glutathione on a regular basis as long as there's enough cysteine to die because cysteine stays in the body for a little bit longer time. I can tell you another thing because this was interesting to me when I first started doing my research in glutathione is because they were injecting this glutathione into the blood and initially they got the results. Then there was no results for a while, like for six hours or so, and they said the results again. And it says, why there was a gap? What they found out was when you inject glutathione, the body sees glutathione as a protein, that's like three amino acid chain protein. What does the body do with the protein? It chops it down into various amino acids. It does not absorb any proteins whatsoever or a peptide, whatever. So the body was chopping it down and the chopped up item was, it was chopping it down between five to 20 minutes, something like that, very short on time, it was all gone. The chopped up material was actually cysteine. So cysteine was reabsorbed into the bloodstream. And so they saw three or six hours later, there was a sudden increase of cysteine in the blood and that cysteine was actually being used to make your own glutathione naturally. So what I'm saying is that for your patients, for your community, that is fasting, as long as the diet has some sort of cysteine in there, the body will store it and use it to produce its own glutathione as it needs.
Melanie Avalon
Wow. And what I think is such a paradigm shift here for people is again, I think when people think antioxidants, the general bucket, they mostly think fruits and vegetables, like that's what they think they need to get.
And now we're talking about how glutathione is our master source of antioxidants and it's created from protein, not these fruits and vegetables.
Dr. Nayan Patel
That's right. And the thing is, okay, so we just talked about antioxidant melanin, but I think the audience needs to know that if the body produces so much glutathione, is their job is only to be an antioxidant? That's it? It's just one job, right? If we produce so much of this molecule inside the body, and by the way, the body has a system to recycle, because guess what? If the glutathione neutralizes a free radical, it itself gets oxidized. An oxidized molecule basically becomes trash, right? There's no use for it.
But the body has a system built into it where it recycles this glutathione. It accepts energy from sun and other molecules that you eat, and it becomes reduced again. So again, it becomes an antioxidant. Just to give you an example, I'm going to give you an example. You take vitamin C. Vitamin C is the number one antioxidant sold in the world today, and I'm about to tell you something that is absolutely profound. Vitamin C as a chemical is not an antioxidant. It is actually a pro-oxidant, yes, it's actually a pro-oxidant. But the thing is, at low concentration, vitamin C actually provides the energy to access form of glutathione and revives them back to normal to make it a reduced form of glutathione that can be used as an antioxidant again.
Melanie Avalon
That's mind-blowing. So you're saying the benefits, the quote, antioxidant benefits from vitamin C are actually not that. It's actually helping recycle glutathione.
Dr. Nayan Patel
That's exactly right, yeah. And the medical community knows about this thing, but they said, well, that's true, but you know what? It still works. Just because something works does not mean it is going to work every single time.
As a pharmacist, my mind is always working towards, if it works in one person, it should work on everybody. If you have a problem, if it works in one person, it should work on everybody, if it's the same problem. And if it's not, then it's not the issues with the problem, it's the issues with the product that you're using, why it's not working. And so that was my quest originally to find out. I said, if gluten is so good for you, it should work for everybody. But even the IVs did not work for everybody. Even the other technology products that are out there does not work for everybody. And my question is, why not? Why is not working for you? If your body needs gluten, it should work. And the answer is the body has to make its own glutathione from scratch. Doesn't matter what you do. And if the body doesn't have the ability to produce glutathione, you can take all the building blocks in the world and the body is not able to make glutathione. And if that happens to any one of you, you'll go down really fast. I mean, two to three years tops, you have all kinds of diseases and you have no idea what happened to you. And you get cancer, you get all kinds of things that happen to you. And all of a sudden, oh my God, you're going downhill from here. It happens that fast.
I want to make sure people understand that antioxidants that you take for fruits and vegetables are all actually reviving glutathione as an antioxidant for itself.
Melanie Avalon
Wow. Okay. So some questions from there. So you mentioned this recycling power of glutathione, which is awesome.
I also read in your book that can it not be recycled when it's used for detox? Like there was a certain type where it's not recycled.
Dr. Nayan Patel
So that's the second part, right, Melanie? We talked about one job of growth is an antioxidant, and that's a big job. That's a huge job. There's a bigger job than that is to help your body, help your liver detoxify every chemicals and whatever you consume out of your body. And if you do not get the garbage out of your body, within a few days, months, or years, your body will be filled with all those toxic chemicals, and that's usually going to be the end of us as well.
So the two parts that glutathione does for us is as an antioxidant, it recycles itself as a detoxifying agent to help conjugate and get rid of the toxic chemicals outside the body. But when it does that, it uses the whole glutathione molecule once and for all. And so for detoxification purposes, your body has to keep on producing more and more glutathione all the time. Only for antioxidant purposes, the body will recycle the glutathione itself.
Melanie Avalon
Wow. So that in particular, because when people do fasting, which is very, you know, very beneficial for the body and supports health, and you were mentioning autophagy and all these things, it also, you know, upregulates the detoxification process.
So I would imagine supporting your glutathione production while you're fasting would be really, really important. Would that be?
Dr. Nayan Patel
Oh my gosh, this is one thing that we have time and time over. People that do IF intermittent fasting or just fasting is in general, their detoxification activity is skyrocketed when you add growth to the whole regimen.
It is by far the single most important thing that will make a profound impact on your health and wellness.
Melanie Avalon
Wow. Okay.
Just to clarify, because I realize people might still be wondering about that, the vitamin C being a pro-oxidant thing. And you were mentioning some people, and you just mentioned now with glutathione how people take IVs and things like that, and it may or may not work for people. So with these different exogenous forms of substances, it sounds like with the vitamin C stuff, even though it's a pro-oxidant, do we need to be concerned about that, or does it all work out in the end? And then with the exogenous glutathione, and we'll talk about the form that you've come up with, but that form aside, people taking IVs and pushes and oral supplements, is that just doing nothing? Is it just sitting in the bloodstream? What is it doing?
Dr. Nayan Patel
No, so the vitamin C at low concentrations is actually providing the energy to recycle the glutathione. So it's a great product to have it, but in moderation. You don't want to over-consume vitamin C ever.
So if you take like 500 milligrams or 1,000 milligrams per day, it's plenty. It is plenty to recycle your glutathione all the time. Now, of course, if your oxidative stress is pretty high, then you may need a little bit more. But I would say that in that case, just make sure that you have enough glutathione in your body in the first place. So vitamin C will help recycle some of the glutathione. You take more glutathione to increase the concentration of those things. All the other antioxidants, so-called antioxidants in the food sources are just a helper. They're helping inch away the increase of glutathione inside your body. So I would say not to stop it, but do not over-consume any of these products, including glutathione itself, or consume that either. Now, I'll share the story about that one too, but everything in moderation is going to be good for us. Excess, the body does not have anywhere to store it and use up any excess products. So don't give anything excess to the body.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, definitely. And then for the glutathione, the exogenous, and when I say exogenous, I mean forms that you're taking in that you're not creating inside.
Are they doing anything? Are they just sitting in the bloodstream? What happens with that preformed glutathione?
Dr. Nayan Patel
So the preformed glutathione is actually in every single cell in your body. So it doesn't matter if it's blood or tissues or any cell, any cell that produces that smartochondria is going to have glutathione in that cell. So you need the glutathione in each and every cell in your body. So it doesn't sit there forever because the glutathione is a very short life also.
It stays in the body for maybe a day or at the most for two, but I don't think it goes anything beyond those two days. So the body has to constantly produce more and more products all the time. So if you fast for seven or 10 days in a row, there might be some issues. But if you're just fasting for half a day or a day at the most, it's not a big deal at all. In fact, it's helping detoxify your body as well. I'm not sure if that's the question we're asking or not.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, or so when people do like a glutathione IV, so that that glutathione, what happens with that glutathione?
Dr. Nayan Patel
So that gluten gets broken down into amino acids, cysteine gets reabsorbed, cysteine is later used to produce your own endogenous glutathione inside your body.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, we break it down and reuse it.
Dr. Nayan Patel
And that cysteine will stay in your body for maybe a day or two. So even though you take an IV, the results are not there immediately. Well, the results are there immediately before about five or 10 minutes, and then the results are not there for another six hours. And then once the cysteine kicks in, the body produces more glutathione. Now you have some more results coming in. So you may have results for another day or two at the most.
But the thing is, keep in mind, I don't care what form you take the IVs or the liposomes or the capsules, and the body breaks down and takes the amino acids and produces own glutathione. You are at the mercy of the body's ability to produce glutathione. Now don't get me wrong. You can produce glutathione until the last day. You can make new cells until the last day. Imagine you get a cut when you're 15, and imagine you're getting the same exact cut when you're 60, which is going to heal faster.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, 16.
Dr. Nayan Patel
VF15 and 16, it's going to heal much, much faster than you are at 60, 65. You know why? Because to heal, you need to have all the immune markers, all the nutrients that it needs to heal the body correctly and efficiently. So even though your body can produce glutathione until the last breath, it produces less and less and less as we age. Because I only told you in these three components, glycine, glutamine, cysteine, there's three amino acids. It also needs two enzymes. It needs two molecules of ATP, which is energy. And as you can know, people as they start aging, the energy levels is drilling down anyways, right?
So if there's no ATP energy, but if you have all the enzymes and all the amino acids, your body still cannot produce enough glutathione. And the last thing for electron transfer, you also need NAD. What if your NAD levels are low as you age, which happens all the time? And so even though you may have all the ingredients, but if you do not have the energy source to make your glutathione, your body will not be able to make enough of it. And so if you tell a 50 or 60-year-old person to take glutathione supplementation and they say, well, I get some results, but not like fantastic results, or sometimes they don't even know. They think this is the best that can happen to you. And I said, no, it's not the best that can happen to you. The best is if I get you enough glutathione inside your cells that your body is used to having when you are 10 years old, 15 years old, if I get those levels back to you, that's what your body needs. And eventually, that's what your body is going to be using to heal itself from inside out.
Melanie Avalon
Okay. So that, yeah, that was going to be one of my questions earlier and you perfectly answered it, which was, I was wondering the role of just taking in the substrates that you need to create glutathione versus actually creating it, like what goes into that.
And it sounds like, you know, like you said, there's all these other things involved in AD and enzymes and the whole process. So, you know, it really requires holistic support to, you know, create this glutathione naturally when it gets harder as we age.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Let me ask you the next question. We want the body to make natural it all the glitter time. We want them to do all that work for us, right?
It's not like we want to take away that job from the body. But at the same time, as we age, if your body cannot produce enough, and if there is a way to give a little bit so that it reduces the workload for your body, that to me is still a good option than to just completely rely on the bodies that we do all the work for us.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, no, that completely makes sense. And now I understand better what you're saying about the pulse effect when people were taking, or I don't know what they were using in the original studies, but if a person takes an IV, they get this initial boost because it's there, but then they break it down so then you don't see it, and then it rebuilds it up again, which again, if you're, you know, aging and have other taxors and, you know, aren't efficient at producing glutathione, I guess you could take, you know, all this, all these glutathione IVs in the world, and it could be difficult for you to actually reconstitute it into the glutathione that you need.
What did you discover with the form of glutathione that you sell and that you created that I mentioned that I now take every night? So what is happening with that glutathione?
Dr. Nayan Patel
I'm going to ask you another question afterwards too, Melanie, but I'll answer your question first. So when I first created the topical version of this, again, my goal is not to create topical version, it's just that the best scientists in the world are the one that observes things and let it happen the way it comes to you, not trying to change it. And so I was not about to change the form, I was just about to change, I was just about to learn how it works. And it happened to be the topical form was the best way to get the gluten inside your body, inside your cell membrane, inside your cells itself. And so when we discovered that, what we found out was that every single human being, regardless on what genetic makeup they have, were able to absorb the gluten inside your body. And I'll tell you another about the genetic makeup. There's a very small subset of people that we do gene testings today. Now for the last 15 years, we've been able to do gene testing. So we can find out gene mapping studies for people that have gene SNPs that they cannot do certain things in their life. There's few gene SNPs, which are GSTM, GSTP, GGT, these are all different genes required to produce glutathione. And if you're a mutation and your body cannot produce those enzyme that produces glutathione, no products in the world is going to save you. And so that to me was a major, major blow.
Now if you cannot produce glutathione at all, it's an easy one you'll find out very, very soon because you're going to go down really fast. What if people have other gene mutations like MTHFR, the most common gene mutation is MTHFR or COMT, where your body can produce plenty of glutathione, but the workload has increased to double, right? Because now the methylation path is shut down, somebody needs to detoxify your body, so needs for detoxification has gone up skyrocket. Since there's no methyl groups to do that work, the work is now falls on the glutathione to do the additional work. But the body says, oh, I'm already producing maximum amount of glutathione that you need. I cannot produce any more. Now what happens? And so what I discovered is those people had a profound impact on their life immediately after they had the type of glutathione because for the very first time, they had something in the cells ready to use up and help the body detoxify them immediately. And so to me, that was like an aha moment, I said, okay, now I have something to give to everybody. What if the people have, if they're young people and they're producing a glutathione? Well, they don't need my product at that time because the body has enough of it. And it would be in my best interest not to sell them a product because I said, hey, you know what? Your body can make it enough. Just stop drinking alcohol, stop doing crazy things, don't eat junk food, just drink water, and you'll be fine. You'll be literally, you'll be fine. If you want to cheat once in a while, it's not the end of the world, but I'll try not to do that, but it's not end of the world. But if you're an older person, when I say older, I don't mean that old by the way you are.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Anybody over the age of 30 and above, they're not old, but the body is now not able to produce enough glutathione. They will have an impact immediately after using the product because it is actually getting inside your cells, right?
And when it first happened to me in 2007, I got so scared because some of the really sick people had a major detox reaction. Like when that happened, I got scared because, oh, you know what? As a pharmacist, as a medical professional, our first goal is not to do any harm. And so if I had no answers for it, I said, you know what, let me find out. So we stopped the production, we stopped selling the products. We made a prescription item only. We started talking to the doctors. And so for 14 years, all we did was sold via prescriptions and told the doctors to report back to see what kind of problems you're having.
And so we found out, actually, how much to give you, how often to give you, how long can I give it to you for? And the amount we give you, like for IVs, I can give you one grams, two grams, five grams, 10 grams of IV push, and nothing will happen to you. For the topical version, I can only give you 100 milligrams at the most 200 milligrams. And that's it.
Melanie Avalon
Wow. Okay. I'm just curious because I do, like I said, I take this every night. How many sprays is that the equivalent of?
Dr. Nayan Patel
Also, four sprays is the typical dose. Four sprays is about 100 milligrams.
This is on the regular version. The plus version, I didn't even release the plus version until 2022 for the very first time. And that's because most of my clients, they get too much money and they go, if less is good, the more is better. I says, no, it's not. And they don't listen to me. So they just said, can you give me more blood? I hate to keep on applying more and more sprays. So that's why we lose the stronger version. But since we're losing the stronger version of the Glothine, we had some more studies done on that as well. And they have some merit to it as well. But overall, I still think that the regular version product is going to be sufficient for almost 90% of the people. No problem.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome, okay, and so to clarify, so what you're saying with this form is that it bypasses what we were talking about earlier about needing to break down the glutathione and recreate into glutathione. This actually gets the glutathione directly into the cells to be used.
Dr. Nayan Patel
That's right. It gets in skin cells and then from there it gets transferred to the rest of the body.
Melanie Avalon
to that point. And this is something, and I know you've explained this to me before, I just can't wrap my head around this, actually with anything really.
It's hard for me to wrap my head around how whatever the supplement may be, but we'll talk about, you know, oral glutathione in this case, how putting it in one area can have a systemic effect. How does that work?
Dr. Nayan Patel
So yeah, the thing is, if you look at the medical literature, there's multiple ways the signals are transferred from one part of the body to the other part of the body. For example, if you step your foot on a nail, how fast will you take it off? It's really fast, right? But the brain got the message that, oh my God, Melanie just stepped the foot on the nail, and it hurts.
So there's a signaling from the, those are the neurons that send the signals straight to the brain. I said, hey, what do I do? I said, what do you do? Take the foot off, right? And you're done. The same signaling pathway that we have for the neurons, we also have to transport nutrients. And so every cells are closely bound to each other. Like a cell is not by itself, right? So a cell right next to it, there's another cell touching to each other. And this cell is all over the body. That's why if you put something in your tongue, under your tongue, like a sublingual drop, right? Let's say you could, let's say you took a B12 drop sublingually under your tongue. Within seconds, your brain's going to feel it, right? Or if you drink a caffeine, right? If you take a caffeine pill inside your stomach, instantaneously, within minutes, it's going to hit you, it's going to hit in your brain. How do you get transferred to all the systems, right? It's not the blood's going, the blood's not transferring nutrients. It's the cell-to-cell transfers, right? And so there's something called lipid rafts on each cell. On the lipid rafts, there's some ACE receptors. The receptor is basically accepts a nutrient from outside sources. And then once again, inside your cell, all the excess, it keeps on transferring to the rest of the body.
Melanie Avalon
Pretty magical.
Dr. Nayan Patel
The body is absolutely magical, as I said, our job is not to recreate the body, it's just understand and work with it.
Melanie Avalon
And so does it still, in addition to having this systemic effect, does it also, could you concentrate it on a certain area if needed for something on that area for skin or an injury?
Dr. Nayan Patel
This is so most of people they apply let's say for the joint issues that join directly and the pain goes over the joint right there is a local effect that's the same. Only the excess gets transported to the rest of the body so if you have let's see if you have skin issues and put in your face the facing of the first.
I refuse all use of all the price on the face that you need the rest extra yes transfer out of the rest of the body.
Melanie Avalon
Okay. Yeah. Because I've been wondering actually with using the skin products, I'm like, I wonder if any excess glutathione is, if I'm getting any excess, or is it just staying local in my skin?
Dr. Nayan Patel
No, you are getting access because the skin product that I have made up is actually a little bit stronger than the regular product. And the reason I make it a little bit stronger is because most of the people that apply the skin care product is applying a very small area, a localized area only.
And so I had to make sure that I get an impact immediately. So I made it a little bit stronger skin care product so they get the localized effect faster.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome. You said you had a question for me?
Dr. Nayan Patel
question for you. You said you've been using this product for a while. Can you share me a routine and what makes you use this product every single day?
Melanie Avalon
Sure. Yes. So, and I'll be curious how my routine compares to, you know, what I quote should be doing. I use it though, I use the, the Oro spray and I use it every single night. I use it at night because that's when I'm having my glass of wine and winding down at the end of the day.
And I spray it on my chest actually. I did, I knew it's funny, um, Dr. Patel, because I can remember when we first talked about this, when you first came on the show and I had just started using it, I think I'm pretty sure. Um, and it probably would have been 20 around 2022. Cause I, I think you had out, I think you would just release the extra strength version. In any case, I remember I was communicating to you that it smells soul furry. And, and I was like having to get used to that because it definitely, it definitely has a distinct smell to it. And when I first started using it, I was like, oh, this is an intense smell. I don't even really notice it now. Like I'm so used to it. It really, it doesn't bother me at all is the point. So listeners, my, my point is if the soul fur smell feels like a little bit much to you, just keep going. You won't even, you won't even realize that in the end. And the nice thing is it doesn't, it doesn't linger. It goes away pretty fast. I do a couple of sprays every night and I do it with my wine. And then if I'm, if it's a night when I'm going out and I'm having more than I am, I have it when I, when I'm going to bed and then what's the half-life on it? I might be overdoing this. If I wake up in the middle of the night, I will like spray some more on me.
Dr. Nayan Patel
It's about four to six hours, yeah.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, that's perfect. So yeah, cuz I'll usually like wake up, you know, like four hours later, and I'll, I'll spray some more. And I find it to be a wonderful tool in my toolkit for those nights out. I love it so much.
But I don't do it during the day. I wonder if I should be
Dr. Nayan Patel
No, thanks for sharing that part. The normal dose is about four sprays twice a day, and if you're going to have a glass of wine, then by the way, each glass of wine will wipe up your gluten levels to zero for the next four hours, and that's unfortunate.
Every drink of alcohol will do the part, so I'm glad that you applied the gluten right away, so that way your wine never fills the wrath of not having any gluten itself. And the reason you're waking at nighttime and applying it again, because your gluten level is not increasing fast enough, but it's an amazing tool to help you increase your deep sleep, especially after alcohol, so your HIV will not drop so low, and hopefully you'll have a restful sleep. The whole idea behind this thing is that it helps you metabolize the alcohol faster, so it does not linger on to give you the sleep disruption that it can normally cause with alcohol. But if you use it twice a day, twice a day is probably the most ideal way of using this product. And the reason is because I'm a creature of habit, right? I only use it once a day for four years, but I tell people to use it twice a day, because the thing is I never form a routine for myself. So about two years ago, I really sat down and wrote down my routine, my morning routine and evening routine, and I taped it in my room mirror, right? It's my morning routine. And then once I put the routine in the place, it took me about six weeks to do it twice a day, every day. And ever since that time, I do it twice a day, every day.
And over the years, over the last two years, I've done multiple tests to find out about my age and my metabolic markers and my organ health. And I can tell you right now, I got no problems, first of all. That's the best part is that my biological age is decreasing finally. I did another test, another one again right now. So I'll get a different number again for the next time I see you. But my overall health and wellness has just gone skyrocketed in the good direction. So all I'm saying is that, yes, it was hard for me to do it twice a day. Once I put the routine in place for the last two years, it has really transformed my whole body in the last two years, more than ever before.
Melanie Avalon
Which testing did you use for the biological age?
Dr. Nayan Patel
So, I'm using a generation lab at this time, so I'm measuring all the organ health, because you're only as good as the weakest organ, right? If one organ is telling me that you are aging 65 years of age, then I don't care if everything else is 20 years of age, my dead organ is 65, I'm 65 right now.
For example, heart. If my heart is old, if the heart gives out, does it matter if your liver is 20 years old? No.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, there's so many out there. So that's why I was really curious.
And that's a good point about looking at the organ specific ones. I love that. I might have to, okay, might have to change my routine, start having mine in the day as well.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Well, twice a day is better. But I think the morning one, I usually do it like half an hour 45 minutes before shower. So that way I wake up, I put my glove on first, do my morning meditations, my stretching. An hour later, I usually go shower. By the time it's done. So it does not see the body for long anyway. So it's okay.
Melanie Avalon
And what about the role? So my favorite of the skincare products right now, cause you have other things coming, is I love the citrine serum so much.
So your high dose, well, is it high dose vitamin C and glutathione? What is in it?
Dr. Nayan Patel
high dose vitamin C. The glutathione is just there to support the vitamin C getting into the complex, but the real work is done by vitamin C itself. Now, as you know, a body doesn't produce vitamin C. It's a pro-oxidant, but it's a very, very low grade pro-oxidant. It's enough to stimulate your cells in your face to have cognitive production, to put defense around it. So it is stimulating your body to do the right things to having cognitive production. So you have normal wrinkles, normal fine lines, things like that. So yeah, the number of products, unfortunately, people like citrine more than the glutathione itself when it comes to the face, but I'm just telling you my thing is G serum is good because yes, the results are not instantaneous, but the thing is once you do get the results, which is sometime during the cup of second, third month, it's a very profound impact in your life as well.
So that's the way I look at it, but your skincare, it's a statin skincare, right? All products are different. If you want to do one product, you submit any serum first, and then you pair that with the moisturizer that goes with that serum, and then the third thing you put the second serum on, and then the fourth thing is put the moisturizing pair that go along with it. All four products have different ingredients inside. All four work synergistically. You can start anywhere, but if you want to start anywhere, start with the serums first and then pair them with pair them with with with its moisturizer.
Melanie Avalon
And I will say to this point, because my audience has heard me talk about the importance of effective and clean and safe skincare for years and years and years. Friends, I have had conversations with Dr. Patel. I trust you so much with your production of these products.
Like we've had offline conversations about just what goes into creating them and sourcing and the materials and I just trust you so much. And I am so grateful for what you're doing with creating these products, because there's a lot of problematic products out there that not only might not be effective to the point that you would think, but also could be problematic with their ingredients and toxins and endocrine disruptors and such. So thank you for creating these products. And I know they're hard for, I know I don't wanna like speak for you, but I know a lot of energy and time and money goes into making these products and they're not easy to make, I don't think.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Thanks for saying that part because that is something that is, if I want to take the product myself, I want to clean product for myself. I don't care about anybody else. For myself, I do care as much as myself. So I want to make sure that anything that I put inside my body is clean.
So like for example, ascorbic acid, vitamin C. Ascorbic acid, again, I don't advertise this anywhere else because it's not my job to do that part. My job is just to create clean products. Ascorbic acid, 100% ascorbic acid in the United States comes from corn, all of them, right? And it's the cheapest way to get your ascorbic acid. It's the cheapest that you can buy. But guess what? All corn in the USA is GMO. It's all modified. And so I said, I cannot, even though it's a very small amount, I don't want to have to put in myself any molecule that is GMO. So guess what? The ascorbic acid that we use is non-corn-based ascorbic acid. Is it cheap? No, it's not cheap. It's not made in the United States. It's made in Europe, right? But guess what? I had to make sure that I get clean products for myself.
Now, this could be a great marketing tool if I want really to market it. But then to do that, I had to put every other product down. And that's not my goal either. My goal is to work with everybody. And I'll just do the right thing for myself. And hey, if the consumer finds out, that's good for them. But if not, I know in the back of my mind that I'm creating good products. That's how it matters.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I just, I just love and appreciate this so much. And I remember us talking about that and I was like, wow, this is legit. Like he really, he really goes, you know, all in with this, which I just so appreciate.
Dr. Nayan Patel
One more thing, Melanie, is resveratrol. Resveratrol in the whole world is laced with heavy metals. And the thing is, cosmetic companies that sell the resveratrols, guess what? They're all with heavy metals in there. But the thing is, it doesn't go through your skin, right? So it's OK.
That's what they're telling you. But with my technology, I can push it through there. And if that's true, then I don't want to have resveratrol with heavy metals in there. So I really have to find a source, again, another source, then to clean up my raw materials, completely give me metal free. And if I can get those metals, I can use what cosmetic. Again, this is not something that I like to advertise all the time. But it just tells you what I have to do to make sure that I, myself, get clean products to use on my body.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, well, it's it's super important to me and I know this audience really appreciates it as well.
So yeah, we are we are team we are team what you're doing will taking or using oral glutathione spray and then also the skincare products will by giving our body this exogenous glutathione what will our body produce less.
Dr. Nayan Patel
The answer is yes. I think it will. I think so. Again, I do not know for certain, but knowing the science, I think it will do that part because the body does not do anything excess.
The body senses that you have something. The body says, okay, I can use energy to do something else. I don't have to produce this part because we have plenty of it, right? And so being that I know that part of the science, I'm assuming the body will not have to produce glutathione. And that was the reason why I found out how much to give you, how often to give you, because I never want to shut down your own production ever, right? But I want to replace a lot of the work by giving you exogenous or outside the body glutathione. If I can do that part and still maintain the body's ability to produce glutathione, then my job is served.
Now, keep in mind, glutathione is not a hormone. It's not like if you take an exogenous glutathione and the body stops producing it, the body will forget to make it. So when you really need it, the body will not know how to make it. The example I'd like to give you is when you're building a house. If you build a house, and if you live in Georgia, you build a brick house. If you're building a brick house, I'm just joking, by the way, I live in California, and there's no brick house because of earthquake.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, whoa, I never, wait, I lived in California for 10 years. I don't think I ever put two and two together there. Oh my goodness, I'm having like a real time epiphany right now.
Dr. Nayan Patel
So let's say you're building a brick house. What's the number one ingredient you need? Bricks. The bricks, because without the bricks, there's nothing that's happening.
And so the body does not take bricks from outside sources, right? If glutathione is the number one ingredient in your body, and if you give glutathione, the body goes, no, no, no, I can't take that. If you give me a brick, I'll break it down, make it into a powder, and then I'll make my own bricks again, and then I'll use it to build a house, right? That's what the body does right now. But let's say you somehow you convince the body to give the brick, okay, so you're done. If that happens, and then you got the brick, and it's already made up and ready to go, now all of a sudden, your body says, okay, if I have the bricks, I don't have to make the bricks, I can use the same energy to do the work because the labor force is still the same. If the labor is still the same, guess what? They can do some other work. And what's the labor force in the body? ATP energy, enzymes, and NAD, and amino acids. The amino acids can be used to make a countess of the peptides and proteins. ATP energy can be used to do other peptides and proteins as well, so does the NAD. So you never lose the ability, but the number one ingredient that your body needs is given to you, so all of a sudden, how much labor force do you need now that you don't have to make the bricks? Much, much less. Much less. And that's the reason why everybody that uses a glutathione for the first time, within two weeks, you have surplus of energy, ATP. Because for the first two weeks, the body goes, oh, I have more energy. Maybe I can do this. Maybe I can do that. I can do this. And after that, I say, yeah, I did everything possible, and I just have to maintain it. So now the extra energy, it shows up in the mitochondria, and I say, now, oh, my God, I got energy. I can do better. I can function better. I can walk. I can run. I have the energy to think better. And so all of a sudden, now, every single organ cell starts getting more and more energy. And over time, over two, three, five, 10 years, every single cell in your body is going to have surplus of energy to work with. And that's my goal, right? Not to take over the body's own pressure of glaucoma is to relieve the body of the number one job it does and allow the body to do the rest of the organs and get them better.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome. Okay.
So basically, so while we're supplementing this, our body now has more energy, more time and resources to do other things. And if we stop supplementing, then it will just dedicate time and resources again towards creating it. It's not like it shuts off the glutathione system.
Dr. Nayan Patel
No, it doesn't shut off because the thing is, if you take too much of glutathione, your body will go to a reductive state, which is not a good state. As soon as you do that, the body will have rashes and itching and diarrhea and headaches and things like that.
You know, right away, that something's wrong, right? So you back off anyways. And the dose that we are giving you is not 100% replacement. It's like 90% replacement, maybe less than that. And so that way, you can literally do it twice a day, every day, and never hit 100% from outside sources. You still have to rely on your body's ability to make some. Now, there are people out there that have enzymes, defects, and they cannot make anything. And they need them much higher. And so that's why we created a plus version. And so those plus versions, it's a godsend for them. And so now we have both the regular version for everybody and the plus version for people that have major issues with it.
Melanie Avalon
So listeners, I bet, are super excited to start integrating this into their life. Again, I can't recommend it enough. I use it, well, every single night, and now it looks like I'm going to be using it day and night. We have a 10% discount code for listeners.
So if you go to MelanieAvalon.com slash Auro, that's A-U-R-O. That will redirect to Dr. Patel's website. Use the code MelanieAvalon10, and that will get you 10% off your order. So again, that's MelanieAvalon.com slash Auro, A-U-R-O. Use the code MelanieAvalon10 for 10% off your order. Thank you for that, Dr. Patel. And I really can't recommend this enough. It's a staple, busy staple in my life. And it's funny, so when you, I remember, I remember when I first got the pitch about your book, and I saw the title, and I was really excited because I wanted to learn about Glutathione. And I also saw that you had a company that made Glutathione products, and I was like, oh, is this book just going to be a pitch for his products? And then I read the book, and it just blew me away. I was like, whoa, this guy knows everything I could have ever wanted to know about Glutathione. So thank you. Thank you for what you're doing. Not only are you creating the products that are really changing people's lives, but you're also doing this educational piece, which I just think is so important. Yeah, and you're just such an incredible human being. So if listeners ever go to a conference, because you guys, you're at a lot of conferences, definitely go say hi to Dr. Patel, because he's a, he's a shining figure, you and your wife and the booth and everything. It's just really, really wonderful. I just love it so much.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Oh, thank you so much for that. But again, it's nothing that I'm doing. I have so many angels like yourself that has come into my life and helped me spread this word because we all know, we all know we can only survive if we work together and figure out how to live together, right? If you try to do it by yourself, every single thing, it's not fun, it's not easy, and more than likely you're not going to be able to make it. But if you work together, I think we can all survive and we can all live for a very, very long time.
We've been very healthy. So I appreciate you having me here today and passing this message around. I know there's a part of this about intermittent fasting, so I just want a last foot for thought for people that are doing IF or fastings in general. It's a really, really good thing for a lot of people, not necessarily good for everybody, but it's absolutely an amazing thing for a lot of people. I have done myself intermittent fastings for a very long period of time, and I still do it on a regular basis as well, except for once in a while I may cheat on a Saturday or Sunday with my kids. But other than that, I do practice intermittent fastings all the time.
And with the help of glutathione, my inflammation markers have completely gone down. And so I just want to make sure that people, when you do these kind of things, I want to help people for this community because their goal is to get rid of all these dead cells, the zombie cells, or things like that, and those are mainly for inflammations. And once you get rid of those things, your inflammation will come down. Glutathione is absolutely going to be helping you in this wellness journey.
So please make it part of your routine and please support Melanie for what an incredible job she is doing to spread this word. So thank you so much.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, I just think this is one of such a key important thing, especially for people with a fasting lifestyle.
We didn't even touch on this, but in your book, you talk about its role in fat burning and just all the things. What's next for you right now? Anything?
Dr. Nayan Patel
Absolutely. We've been studying for the last few years, another peptide molecule. It's a 3-aminosuccine peptide, GHK. It's called the beauty peptide. The reason is because it is a signaling molecule for your skin cells to do the things to get your skin back to normal or younger. And so with our technology, we will be able to do this GHK copper. We just did a human trial for 30-patient trials and about from patients, for people from 33 years of age to about 70 years of age, something like that. And the results are absolutely mind-blowing.
So I want to make sure that people have access to it. So I am going to fast-track this product, and I'm going to be able to make this product available in the third quarter, sometime in the middle of the third quarter. And so I know this is October, but it's going to be available to everybody really, really, really soon right now. So please watch out for that one. As soon as it comes in, I'm hoping that everybody gets to try it for 30 days and see the results that we are seeing in the clinical trials over here. It's just crazy.
Melanie Avalon
And actually to that point, so a few quick points about it. One, when I saw you at the conference, you had samples of it and I am so excited and it's such a pretty blue color. It's so pretty.
Listeners, stay tuned for episode 448. I'm having Jay Campbell on for that episode and he's like the peptide guy. And I don't think we actually talked about it in that conversation, but in conversations I've had with him and in his book, he's talked about this peptide, this copper peptide and how just mind-blowingly incredible it is for the skin in particular. Because he talks a lot about how most peptides with the skin don't actually do anything or certain forms don't work, but he talks about how this copper peptide is really, really incredible. So I'm excited. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait to start trying it and using it. And that's incredible about the studies. Congratulations, by the way. I know that's a lot to do those studies.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Absolutely.
I think, see Melanie, you go to all the medical conferences so you get a sneak peek when I give to the doctors and so you got early access to it because the doctors had this access for over two years now and they have been raving about this product for a while but the thing is until I see the data coming through it I don't I don't release the products I have to see the data coming in before I release the product to the public and so now the data is in I cannot wait to get this out to the public now.
Melanie Avalon
It's so exciting, I can't wait either. So, okay, fingers crossed.
Hopefully it will be out by the time this airs. If not, stay tuned for it. And I'm assuming it'll be on the website with all the other products.
Dr. Nayan Patel
It will be there. Yes, it will be there.
Melanie Avalon
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That's where you can get that transdermal spray that I love the skincare products, the citrine and then hopefully soon the copper serums the copper peptide. So thank you so much, Dr. Patel. This was so fun. I just I love talking to you. I always just feel so much lighter. You're such an incredible human being and can't wait to see you hopefully soon at another at another conference. Are you going to eudaimonia by chance?
Dr. Nayan Patel
No, because that week I'll be in Mexico. Oh, Mexico.
Melanie Avalon
Hopefully see you at another one soon, for sure.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Yes, for sure.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome. Well, have a beautiful rest of your day and I will talk to you soon.
Dr. Nayan Patel
Thank you so much for having me. Bye. Bye.
Melanie Avalon
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