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Melanie Avalon
Welcome to Episode 478 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy, and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat, with no calorie counting, then this show is for you.
I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What, When, Wine. Lose weight and feel great with paleo-style meals, intermittent fasting, and wine. And I'm joined by my co-hosts, Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with B.C. For more on us, check out MelanieAvalon.com and BarryConradOfficial.com. You can submit questions for the show by emailing questions at iapodcast.com or by going to iapodcast.com. We would love to hear from you. Please remember, the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment. So pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine if it's that time, and get ready for the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. Hi, everybody, and welcome. This is episode number 478 of the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon. I'm here with Barry Conrad. Barry, how are you today?
Barry Conrad
Mel, I'm doing great. I can't complain. I am at the final week of training for this half marathon, which comes up this Sunday. Oh my goodness.
Melanie Avalon
Yes, I'm making sure I had this in my calendar. I'm pretty sure I did.
Barry Conrad
And I know by the time this airs, it would have been passed by now, but it's, it's, I'm feeling the crunch. This is it. It's all happening now.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, there it is very marathon. Oh my goodness. So are you how you feeling?
Barry Conrad
I'm feeling good. I have been training pretty consistently and the longest run I've done so far for my training is 19 kilometers, which is just not, it's just shy of the 22 kilometers that you do for the half marathon.
So that is 11.8 miles, so about 12 miles.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness, I'm out.
Barry Conrad
It's been good. It's been going really good.
You know, what I do, what was interesting to me, which is silly, was that I went to train the other day, maybe last week, and I went to do another long run. And I just part out, which means I just like, I started and my legs were just, it felt like lead. And then I realized I actually haven't been eating to accommodate for this training. Like I've been sticking to my normal fasting window and not eating more carbs and things like that. And your body needs more food. So as soon as I rectified that, I bounced back. But at the time I was like, why can't I do like one kilometer right now? And it's like no brainer, right?
Melanie Avalon
Wow, that's actually going to relate a little bit to a question we have today. So so now you you adjusted and feeling better.
Barry Conrad
Yeah. I just said feeling better.
So definitely living my high, high, high carb life at the moment, not in a reckless way, but making sure that the night before actually every night I'm getting just extra carbs intentionally because your body needs it. You can't just run on fumes and good vibes. You know?
Melanie Avalon
Do you have like what type of cards do you have?
Barry Conrad
I metabolize rice really well, so just extra rice. Potatoes are really good for me. Those things really, really help me.
I don't buy carbs. I want to be clear. I'm not going to go for pizza and stuff like that. That's not what I mean. A lot of people carb load with all of that. But the night before, I might have a big bowl of pasta or something like that. But on the daily, I'm just having more rice than I normally have, more potatoes than what I normally have, not shying away just. And because, Mel, you know I eat. So I'm intentionally eating even more than I normally do because I literally need to.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness. Are you nervous or excited or how do you feel?
Barry Conrad
I'm excited because I feel like if I can do the 19 k's it's only three kilometers more to finish the half and I reckon that will everyone keep saying that on the day you just feel this extra adrenaline so hoping that's going to kick in because I have a goal of a time that I want to make so hopefully I can smash that out.
Melanie Avalon
I am sure you're gonna kill it. That's amazing. I'm so excited for you. What time does it start?
Barry Conrad
I think it's like 7 30 a.m. So it's but it's not too far away from like the starting points not too far from my place. So it's good
Melanie Avalon
wow is it a like is it like the new york marathon like is it a thing
Barry Conrad
Yes it's called the brooklyn hot the brooklyn experience half marathon so it's it is a thing that happens every year and running just so massive here i had no idea until i moved here i don't know what it's like in atlanta is it a thing there.
Melanie Avalon
I wouldn't know. Not really in the scene.
Barry Conrad
But do you see like what you're driving to, you know,
Melanie Avalon
Okay, I don't ever see it in real life. Like I don't see it in the wild. That said, I do see, I either like have friends who do things or I see things about it. So I know it, I know what goes on.
I just, I don't go anywhere where it goes on either. Yeah, that's amazing though.
Barry Conrad
Random question, just say, just say you got sent a script or like a pitch from a casting director saying, Hey, Mel, we love what you do. We have this part in this film that you be perfect or you have to like do, you have to run in the film. Would you do it? Like you'd have to be like a runner.
Melanie Avalon
Would you do it? I mean, as long as I don't have to do a marathon in the film, I am capable of running. Yeah, I would do it.
Well, I mean, depending, depending. Yeah, as long as it's not, there's a lot of depending on criteria, you know, as long as it's not like, you know, as long as it's doable and I can have a stunt double.
Barry Conrad
I also don't see how people can do an entire marathon. Now that I'm training for a half, a whole marathon solo.
Melanie Avalon
Did I tell you when we did that Mind Blown episode on that crazy marathon? Tell me.
Have I told you about this? It was the men's marathon at the 1904 Summer Olympics in St. Louis. No. It was literally horrible.
Barry Conrad
A men's marathon?
Melanie Avalon
Uh-huh. I don't even remember everything that happened, but basically they completely messed up everything organizing it. So let's see. They did it on the hardest part of the day in St. Louis on a dusty country road. Oh yeah, they had minimal water supply because they were testing. The only water was at one well halfway at the halfway mark because they were testing the effects of purposeful dehydration. And then there were like, the signage was like all wrong. People got lost. Only 14 out of 32 of the people completed it.
One guy got to the end and they greeted him like he was the winner, but then later they disqualified him because they found out he had taken a car for part of the ride. And then the actual winner, he was at near collapse and hallucinating by the end of the race because he had been given brandy and eggs and strike a nine by his trainers. The fourth place winner actually took a nap, actually got like, he was racing and then he saw an apple orchard and ate some spoiled apples and got sick and took a nap and then he still finished. It was just like a mess.
Barry Conrad
Someone needs to adapt this into a screenplay. It sounds funny.
Melanie Avalon
it should be a screenplay because we did a whole episode on it and we like literally went through the whole marathon and it was just like, it was just crazy. So yes, thankfully, things are not like that anymore.
Barry Conrad
No, not anymore. But yeah.
Also, Maldiz, did you see that article that came out about the big longevity guys sort of having a moment? Who? Okay, I'm going to send it to you. Hold on a second. See, tell me if you've seen this. Send it to you. Basically, okay. I'm not going to name check anyone because the point...
Melanie Avalon
It's a picture of everybody.
Barry Conrad
I guess the point I'll bring it up is that
Melanie Avalon
The title is the longevity bros are fighting and then it's it is literally the four but
Barry Conrad
Okay. The point why I wanted to bring it up is not to like name check or lay in, but it's more like it just got me thinking like more broadly about just the conversation at the moment online, like lately, like about health and fitness and longevity and whatnot. And like you can see someone like it looks amazing, or they've got this massive following. And they sell the idea of like live longer, lose body fat, build muscle, da da da da da. And you kind of go, well, if it's working for them, they're massive deals, I should just jump in. But then like, how much of that have we do we actually look into properly as I was like, I think like, when people really peel it back, there's so much marketing and positioning and stuff and AI, you don't really know what's real anymore, people can literally create versions of themselves that don't exist, you have like, people doing surgical enhancements, passing off as bio hacks. And now this whole looks maxing thing as well. Where have you heard of that thing? It's just crazy.
The whole what thing looks maxing. Have you heard of that?
Melanie Avalon
What is looks maxing?
Barry Conrad
It's basically the gist of it is to enhance your physical attractiveness, but I'm not going to get into it because it's pretty intense on here. But if you look it up, it's wild. People try to optimize their appearance in ways that can be pretty extreme and they're like young men. It's like this movement at the moment and it's scary, yeah, like lots of stuff.
But yeah, I mean, I'm all for people doing whatever they want to their body and whatnot, but this article just made me think about the bigger thing of like if you're selling something great, but then there's got to be like a level of transparency like around what you're doing. I think, you know, because just encourage people to do their due deal engines. Like don't necessarily believe it just because they sell it. I mean, yeah, and also see your doctor. Don't fall for the scams. What do you think, Mel, about these, you know, this time we're in at the moment.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it's interesting. And if listeners would like to read the story, which I haven't read it, but we will put it in the show notes.
Barry Conrad
Yes. The longevity bros are fighting. Great title, by the way.
Melanie Avalon
And now that you say it, I did the other day hear some, I heard somebody say the word looks maxing. And that was the first time I heard it. And I thought they were just making up that word on the spot. They were like, oh, it's kind of like looks maxing. But they were talking about, I don't know, something like getting your eyebrows trimmed and stuff. But I think that I'm all for people wanting to look their best and, you know, look away that makes them feel good about how they look.
I'm literally like people, I'm very libertarian in a lot of my thoughts. I'm like, do whatever you want. I do think that social media, I mean, we have like AI and filters. And so none of it's real anyways. Like it's all, I mean, most of it's not real anyways. It's all like filtered up. And yeah, I guess there was that question of the cognitive dissonance of people promoting longevity, but then going to extremes or, you know, creating a fake sense of reality. And I think it all becomes much more, I mean, obviously it becomes much more intense with social media. I don't know. It's all just exhausting when I think about it. I just want people to do whatever they want to do. I guess I know for me, I guess maybe some of the reason I have personal cognitive dissonance about it is I do, everything I promote is because it really radically changed my life. Like if I'm talking about something, it's because I love it. And it really helped me in whatever way it helped me. Like sleep or stress or digestion or beauty, like all the things, like it helped me. That's what I'm talking about it. So I have that. And then at the same time, I mean, I like use filters and I want to create this, you know, image. So I guess I'm in it too at the same time. That's maybe that's why I'm like, people do whatever you want. I don't know, but I do think it's very, very intense right now. Everything is very intense with AI.
Barry Conrad
I think it's different what you're saying though, because if you're saying that you're doing all the things and whatever, if you're transparent, I think that's the whole point. I feel like people only really have a problem, I think, when said people aren't being transparent.
I don't think people really can have a problem with anything. Actually, people can do whatever they want anyway and people will still have a problem, but I think the main thing is transparency. Just be real and not say it's like X product when it's Z product doing the thing.
Melanie Avalon
And again, I haven't read that article exactly, but I definitely think if you're attributing certain effects to products that's not exactly what's happening, that's a major problem going on there.
Barry Conrad
I do. You're still right though.
It is such a time of where everything is way more heightened now where social media and everything, it's just so accessible and yeah, it's everywhere. It's kind of, I feel like we're in the vortex.
Melanie Avalon
Mm-hmm. All right. Well, on that note, shall we jump into some fasting related things? Let's do it.
So I have a study to start us off with and I am so excited about it. This study, it's actually, it's not the newest study. However, it's fascinating what was found in it. So it's from 2014 in the Journal of International Society of Sports Nutrition. Mm-hmm. And it is called the effects of consuming a high protein diet, 4.4 grams per kilogram a day on body composition and resistance trained individuals. Before I tell you what was actually found in it, I want to show you another article I was reading that I saw and I wanted to share really quickly.
Barry Conrad
Yes.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so to go on a quick tangent before we jump into because one of the things they talk about in this article is they talk about a lot of the or this journal article, they talk about a lot of the confusion out there surrounding what a high protein diet is. And they say that, you know, there are studies and articles out there that talk about, quote, high protein diets, but they don't even consider that a high protein diet.
So in this study, they were trying to they were trying to test like an actual high protein diet. So, again, 4.4 grams per kilogram a day. But it made me think of this other article I read the other day, which I will send to you. And I was laughing because this article is called this is just like a casual article. It's called the mind boggling amount of protein Arnold Schwarzenegger ate in his prime. And basically, they're talking about how, you know, he ate this mind boggling amount of protein, which they said was up to 250 grams of protein per day. And I was like, what? I feel like I eat 250 grams of protein per day. That's like not a lot to me. I mean, I mean, that's a lot. It's a lot. But I do think I feel like that is like the range I exist in for what I eat.
Barry Conrad
Which i think is hilarious cuz that's considered like what the some crazy and saying about but it's actually really not.
Melanie Avalon
I know. And then they say, okay, they say at 250 pounds, he needed 250 grams of protein every day, which is too much protein for most people. Too much.
It's not too much. Yeah, I just, I don't know. So when I saw that, I was like, this is, this is really funny and laughable. Mind boggling. In any case, back to the study.
Barry Conrad
And also, like, have they met you? It's like, have you met me? Like, I eat that on the daily.
Melanie Avalon
I was literally like I was like counting up the protein that I eat and I was like, yeah, that basically I am Arnold Schwarzenegger is the takeaway. But so what they studied and the study that I'm talking about now, they wanted to look at a very high protein diet. Again, that's 4.4 grams per kilogram a day, which is the equivalent of I want to say what that is in pounds. So that is the equivalent of around 2 grams per pound per day ish. So like a 95 pound person would be there would be 190 grams, 120 pound person would be 240 grams, and then 150 pound person would be 300 grams a day. And the way it was set up was they had 30 healthy resistance trained individuals in the study. And then they were in one of two groups. So there was the control group and then there was the high protein group. So the control group, they just kept doing their same thing. There's their same training, their same dietary habits, and they did this for eight weeks.
So for two months, and then the high protein group, they were instructed to consume 4.4 grams of protein per body weight daily, and they were told to maintain the same training and the same diet as far as like fat and carbs. So basically, they weren't supposed to adjust for the high protein, they're supposed to still eat their normal food intake, but just have much more protein. And so they ended up consuming on average, around 800 calories worth of protein extra per day, they consumed on average, 307 plus or minus 69 grams of protein, compared to 138 grams plus or minus 42 in the control group. So both groups did this, and the high protein group, they were consuming 5.5 times the daily recommended daily allowance for protein. And what they found, despite having 5.5 times the recommended amount and around 800 calories more each day, there was zero change in body composition between the two people. So between the two groups. So basically, adding in all of this extra protein didn't make them gain weight, even though it was excess calories. And it was really interesting because they then they went back and they talked about some other studies that have been done on this. And they were saying that in some other prior studies that have been done where they looked at a quote, high protein group, although they don't they don't even really like consider it high protein in prior studies. But when it was when studies like similar to this with like adding high protein, a high protein arm was done in like non active individuals, it would actually lead to muscle gain in those individuals. But it didn't in this group. And they think it's because this group was like regularly training and they didn't change their training regimen anyways. So they think they just like maintain their current muscle, but they didn't the thing is they didn't gain any weight from it. And so I'm also of interest of interest is they the added protein was in the form of whey and casein protein powder. So it was protein powder that they were adding, because they said otherwise they didn't think it would be possible for the participants to eat that much protein, although I think I could.
Melanie Avalon
But in any case, in any case, that just speaks to me if they're adding in 800 calories of protein in a very processed form, like imagine the metabolic effects, if they had actually had it in whole foods form, like I would imagine it would be even more intense as far as I don't know, like not like weight loss per se, or like, how do I say it, like it really speaks to the profound effects of adding in protein to your diet, and how it doesn't really make you gain weight, even when it's in like a processed, you know, protein powder form. Interestingly, so they're out of the 40 subjects initially recruited, 10 dropped out, three of those people. said that they could not, they just couldn't eat that much protein, which again, we talk about, you know, people are often like writing in wanting to know they have hunger, like they want to, you know, how can they deal with like wanting to eat more or whatever it is. Like if you, you can go to town on protein as my point, like if you want to like eat all the things and like you're struggling with like weight loss or weight loss resistance or like overeating, just like go to protein because not that it's a free food, but it's you can have so much of it and feel very full and you're not going to gain weight from it. Like fat gain, which is amazing.
And then some of the other interesting things that they found, oh, it was over 800 calories per day that they were having every day for eight weeks. So they, they said that a lot of this could be due to the thermic effect of protein. And they also referenced a prior study as well, which I thought was really interesting. So apparently the other studies have found that people who are overweight and obese have less of a thermic response to food. And so the thermic response of food is the calories that you burn just by digesting the food and protein has the highest effect of that. And that's another reason that you could have more protein calories and not quote gain weight because you're burning a lot of calories, just digesting and assimilating the protein. Interestingly enough, there's a thermic effect for protein, which is the highest. And then next up is carbs and then fat. So fat has a very low thermic effect. And then they, they referenced another study where people who were obese had less of a thermic response to food, but not to protein. So basically if you're, if you're overweight or obese, if you eat carbs or fat, you might actually burn less of those calories than people who are normal weight and healthy. But protein across the board, there's like not a change. So again, protein is like an incredible food for weight loss because you don't have this issue of not burning as like your metabolism, not being as high as people who are already at a lower weight. I'm loving this by the way. I know. I loved it so much. Then they also, I already talked about this, but they did say again that they thought it was actually kind of odd that the group eating 800 calories more protein didn't gain muscle.
Melanie Avalon
But again, they said it's probably because they were, they didn't really change their, their training at all. So yeah, their takeaway though, it was basically that for people that you can add all of this protein, like the super high amount of protein and knocking weight from it, even in a calorie excess.
So what are your thoughts?
Barry Conrad
This, this study is right up my alley the whole time you're talking about this. I had a massive smile on my face because I'm all about, I'm team protein.
And it explains a lot because you eat pounds and pounds of animal protein and whatnot every night. I do the same thing every day, lots and lots and lots and lots of protein. And you don't, I have not experienced any fat gain from that. If anything, I find myself becoming lean on my body composition is way more detailed, better than before. And this really explains it. And I did, I do understand the confusion that some people might have thought about, well, shouldn't more protein equal more muscle? Well, actually no, like you have to actually accommodate for that. So if you want to get the extra gains, you're going to have to go harder in the gym as well to break down that muscle first, and then, and then that extra protein intake is going to really have an effect, but you can't just do the same training and expect the assault to look like Arnold, you know, for like a bit of references, you know what I mean?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, no, actually to comment on that really quickly, because now I just remembered the other detail about the prior study. So they were saying that in the other study that they looked at where the participants ate like a lot of calorie excess and then but some of them were having higher protein and then that group in that prior study that they mentioned like everybody did gain weight but they weren't just it wasn't just like I don't think it was just protein excess it was like a way excess of calories that they were having and they think that the reason people in the higher protein arm did gain muscle gain more muscle was because they were eating at a like they weren't trained and they were eating at a probably at a protein deficit before.
So it's like now they were actually getting the protein they needed to like build muscle for their just normal, you know, daily activities.
Barry Conrad
I also find it really interesting that you said some of the participants used like, I guess, supplementation because that's what they thought was the only way that they could actually take in enough protein. It's not a problem for me.
I do realize that it makes you more full, so I do get that. I've got some mates at the moment who are trying to intentionally, like this couple of friends of mine, they're trying to intentionally have more protein and they're struggling. They're like, we tried to have more with dinner, but we just can't. It's really hard for a lot of people.
Melanie Avalon
No, like to that point, and this is what I want to say to people, because like I said, people struggle so often with hunger, like their hunger, like what can they do? It's so ironic because people will ask, you know, how can I eat less?
Like because they're struggling with hunger and appetite and wanting to eat more. It's like the answer literally could be eat more, just focus on the protein. Like eat all the protein and try to gain weight doing that. You know, like make if you make that like the main thing. So it's just, I just think it's such a paradigm shift and it can help so many people rather than thinking about how do I restrict, think of how much protein can I eat.
Barry Conrad
I think so as well. Instead of leaving the house with a banana or like little snack bars and stuff, and then by the time you get to the end of the day, you feel full from those things, and then you can't have any protein, reverse it.
And just how much protein can I consume? Not in like a gluttonous way or anything, but just it's just more like you were saying, like that shift amongst a shift and just see if it makes a difference.
Melanie Avalon
It's kind of like a mental hack, but if your thing is that you just love like eating and eating and eating and you want like unlimited and you want to not even think about it, tell yourself that you have literally unlimited lean protein and see what happens because you literally can just go to town.
Barry Conrad
on it.
Melanie Avalon
It's so good, it's so good. I literally eat so much of it.
Barry Conrad
You do, and you said you have lots of chicken and stuff. I have lots of chicken wings or steak and whatnot. It's just so good. And also, yeah, you don't gain weight. You really don't.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, and I do want to emphasize the reason I say lean protein is because you also could have like, you know, tons of super, super fatty rib eyes. And now you're going to be adding lots of protein, but also be adding a lot of like fat calories.
But if you're having like, you know, more normal, like chicken and like leaner cuts of red meat, fish, you really Yeah, like I said, you can go to town.
Barry Conrad
I also found it was interesting, Mel, that two people dropped out.
Melanie Avalon
I know. So three dropped out because they said they couldn't eat that much protein and then one dropped out from GI distress and then the other people didn't say why they dropped out.
Barry Conrad
That's a good find.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome!
Speaker 3
Awesome, though.
Melanie Avalon
Shall we jump into some listener questions? Let's do it.
So we have a question from Joseph and the subject is IF and sports competition. And this is really appropriate. Like I was saying earlier with Barry sharing about his marathon training. So Joseph says, I've been doing IF for about nine months now, usually 16, eight, sometimes 19, five. Once a week I skip, just eat breakfast with my kids, but usually something paleo. I feel like my body is pretty used to IF now. Jiu-jitsu is my sport of choice. And I've trained a few times at the end of my fasting window and felt really good. I was apprehensive at first, as I was worried about not having the stamina. On the weekend I competed in a jiu-jitsu competition that had me competing at 10.30 am I gassed out really bad three minutes into a five minute round and felt really faint, it could have been due to poor cardio as I've not done much cardio lately. Usually I would open my eating window at 2pm after feeling so faint, I ate some organic figs for some energy and felt better for my next round later in the day. I was wondering if during high intensity sports, the body takes longer to turn fat into energy. Should I skip IF on competition days? Thanks for all the work you put into the podcast. And I thought this was perfect because you kind of described not the same thing, but you know, you just described earlier, hitting a wall.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, Joseph, thank you so much for the question. This is such a great question and fitting as well. And I appreciate like how you clearly laid out the experience. And this is really a good example of where fasting meets real world performance. And I love that you've been consistent for that those nine months moving between your windows that you say here in 19 five and 16 eight. And that you're even training with that as well at the end of your fast and feeling good. So that already says that you're metabolically flexible and you built that ability to tap in, which is great. And that's a win.
Okay, but let's look at the actual situation. Competition day is a real different beast. It really is. And training fasted and competing fasted aren't the same thing. So when you're rolling into training, you can pace yourself a bit even if you don't realize it in competition, everything ramps up. So adrenaline is higher. I was just talking to Mel about this before and intensity is higher. Your output is higher. You're just pushing more closer to your max because of of game day, essentially. And that kind of horsepower, I guess, an effort relies so much on glycogen, which is stored, stored carbs in your muscles. And even if even you have your very fat adapted, your body still is going to so that's things like like scrambles and grips and like the takedowns and whatnot, like those big bursts of effort. The fax oxidation is amazing for steady energy, but it is slower. So it doesn't deliver the same speed your body demands for those sort of moments. So I reckon what's likely happening is not that your fasting is necessarily failing or wrong. It's just that the fuel source at the time didn't match the demand of what you were doing.
So the fact that you felt better, for example, after eating the figs is a big clue. That quick hit of carbs gave your body that accessible energy. It sort of topped up your glycogen just enough, helped you stabilize a bit from what you're saying for the next round. Should you skip IF on competition days? I'd sort of more reframe it. Like I wouldn't, it's not about necessarily skipping fasting. It's about like tailoring it to aligning it like with your fuel for what your goals are performance wise. So on competition days, I'd say I'd absolutely consider like if you want to widen your window a bit more, that doesn't necessarily mean chucking it out, you know, completely. It just means being flexible for the short season that you're doing this. It could, you could have like small, maybe like an easily digestible meal a couple hours before competing, something with carbs or and a bit of protein, nothing heavy, just like enough to give that, that quick access to fuel. I know for me, when I do the half, I'm definitely like considering even for me, like though it's early in the day, like whether to have something just beforehand or whether to do it fasted. So I'm considering the same and even considering this week, widening my window, just like even by a couple hours, like to 18 instead of 20.
Barry Conrad
So think of fasting as your baseline. I like, and performance days, the more the exception, you know, like where you can adjust. It's, I'd also say don't overlook the role of hydration and electrolytes and sleep because feeling faint can sometimes also be compounded by like lack of sodium because you're sweating so much, you're really under a lot of stress. So making sure you're well hydrated and having adequate electrolytes.
I'm literally talking to myself as well while talking to you and it's going to make a massive difference. And you also mentioned cardio and that's, which is worth getting into too. Okay. Most of your training has been strength centered or like skill-based adding more conditioning to what you're doing is going to help with that gassing out feeling, which is the worst feeling because you feel like I'm doing everything right. Why am I gassing out? Honestly though, in this case, it does sound more like a fueling situation rather than a cardio thing. So again, nothing went wrong. Your body's doing what it's supposed to do. It's just the access to fuel in the moment for what the demand is. So yeah, train faster if it feels good, but fuel for performance when it counts and don't overthink it because it's not like, it's not all year. It's just for what you're doing, like the competition. So it doesn't really matter. The balance is where you're going to get the best of both worlds. So don't overthink it, I reckon. Mal, what do you think?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, you said it perfectly. And it's so interesting because he literally like the question he asked, where he said is he was wondering if during high intensity sports, the body takes longer to turn fat into energy. So that is nailing it exactly.
And like like Barry was saying, but just to emphasize, it's not that it's taking longer for fat to turn into energy. So that's happening all the time. It's that behind intensity literally is not fueled by fat. It's like Barry saying it's fueled by glycogen. And so if your glycogen stores aren't there, there's nothing to fuel it. So that's why you're getting that feeling. I think that's like the ongoing question is, you're just gonna have to figure out how to properly keep your glycogen stores topped off in a way that keeps you sustained and fueled. And I feel like it's so different for different people. So like some people would be fine, you know, filling up their glycogen stores like the day prior, and then be fasted. And they, you know, work through those glycogen while they're doing the high intensity activity. But some people might need those top off. So having, you know, some sort of rapid way to get glycogen in, which is likely what happened with the figs, because figs, you know, quickly convert, they can contain glucose and fructose. And then that quickly repletes your liver glycogen. So you had, you know, something to fuel from. But then you also need to end your muscles, the glycogen as well. So I feel like that's always the ongoing question. I'll be curious, Barry, what you end up doing, you know, with with your glycogen stores. Like you said, you know, if you're gonna do like, actually day of type stuff, or, you know, or not, have you, you haven't decided though?
Barry Conrad
Well, Mel, like it's, it's, I literally relate to what Joseph is saying here. Cause that gassed out feeling is exactly how I felt when it's like, what's happening? Like it feels wrong, but it's literally your body saying you're just not fueled. You don't have enough glycogen. That's what it is.
So I am considering either just going to 18, six for the week or, and just eating more beforehand or sticking to my 20 and eating morning of, I don't know about eating morning off cause it's seven 30 starts. So I don't know. Maybe just maybe increasing my window for the week and eating more, getting my glycogen stores up, maybe perhaps. I reckon.
Speaker 3
Yeah
Melanie Avalon
Uh, either way I would, I mean, I, you know this, but I would test out what you're going to do before you, before day of, cause I think, I think a lot of people will make the mistake of like fasted training and then they're like, okay, but day of all, like have the, you know, the easy to use like, you know, honey or like whatever it is. But then that, if you're not accustomed to that, then you might actually end up like rebounding or bonking from that. You know, it's like so hard to, hard to know.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I'll keep you posted because it's actually a good experiment for me, for the future.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, hopefully that helps, Joseph.
Barry Conrad
Thanks, Joseph.
Melanie Avalon
All right, shall we do one more question?
Barry Conrad
Yes. Joanne on Facebook says, do you still recommend feels gummies?
Melanie Avalon
Okay, Joanne, thank you so much for your question. So this is perfect timing because I do still love Feels. So Feels is a CBD brand, and it's one I've been using for years and years. And I never actually took the gummies because I like just like straight up CBD without anything that would break my fast or something like that.
We recently found, I'm so excited, a new CBD company that I am so excited about. So they are called Tanasi, and I had a call with one of the founders and what makes their CBD really unique. Oh, which by the way, so Barry, do you use CBD?
Barry Conrad
I have in the past, but I don't currently. I have definitely used it before though, which really helps you to relax.
Melanie Avalon
I love it. I've been using it for years and years every night. It's really good for helping to modulate your natural cannabinoid receptors and helps with endogenous production of these cannabinoids. So basically, it can be really great for stress relief, sleep, muscle pain, whatever it may be. It can be really helpful.
And I had not heard this before. So Tenasi, they make a patented CBD plus CBD A formula and they have studies on it and it is two times better than CBD alone. And it's even better. It's been shown to be better than over-the-counter pain relievers like acetaminophen and supporting your body's response to inflammation. So basically, it can help with pain and inflammation, but in a healthy way where it's working with your body, not just giving you a drug that's making things more problematic in the long term. But all of their studies is on this special formulation they have that nobody else is doing. And the products are really great.
And by the way, so I'm going to tell you what's in the products, for example, when I originally came across them, I was not going to partner with them because they had outdated labels on their website, which showed... They used to have more additives in it is my point. And I had a call with the founder and I was like, I love this idea because I wasn't familiar about this specific form of CBD plus CBD A. I was like, but I can't really partner with you guys because of the other ingredients. And then that's when he realized in real time that their website was outdated. So I'm holding the products in my hand right now so I can tell you literally what's in it. So for example, they have a tincture form and it has the CBD. So it has four milligrams of cannabinoids per drop. And all it contains is MCT oil and then the CBD. So there's no, yeah, nothing problematic. It's THC free. So there's that. They also have a lotion. So if you want to do topical absorption for pain relief, that is an option as well. And then they also have another topical version that is just almond oil, beeswax, and the CBD-C-B-D-A formula. So I am such a fan of CBD. I think it can have really profound effects on people's sleep and stress and mood. It helps my sleep so much. I'm just thinking about what I use it the most for. And I think, yeah, I love it for sleep. And I love this brand. I'm so happy that I found them. And I'm so happy that they reformulated to have this pure form that I'm really excited about.
I also talk to them as well because they don't say that it's organic or anything like that, but they do heavy, extensive. He was very clear on this that in order to have the effects that are shown in the studies, it has to be rigorously controlled. So it's super pure, tested to only contain what it says on the bottle. And I'm excited. So if listeners would like to try it, you can go to tenasi.com and use the code IFPODCAST and that will get you 25% off, which is amazing. So oh, and you also get free shipping over $75. So definitely, definitely do that.
Melanie Avalon
That's T-A-N-A-S-I.com. Use the promo code IFPODCAST to get 25% off and you also get free shipping over $75. So yeah, I'm really excited to have found this brand.
Barry Conrad
So good, Mel, and now I'm also curious to jump back into CBD land again.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, I know I jumped in and I never left. Like I, I, I'm serious. Like I, I started it. It's funny because when we first started taking sponsors on this show, like years and years and years ago, I remember cause CBD was like really controversial for a while, you know, cause because of the whole, you know, comes from the marijuana plant, the hemp plant. And I remember there was like an explosion and like all these CBD brands were, were reaching out like so many. I think we literally got pitched by a CBD brand like every week. And the only one I felt good about was feels, which I, I still do love feels as well. And, but now it's just like so normal. Like I don't even feel like I have to, you know, it's just like completely normal to talk about, which I'm so, I'm so glad about it.
I'm so happy that those regulations, you know, that this happened and you, if you want to like look into it more, I know there's a whole historic historical reason about problems with the hemp plant and it had nothing to do with like CBD. It had to do with because it was being used, I think for like paper production. I don't even know. There was something like, there was like a lot of politicalness behind it all. But yeah, my point is I never, ever since I started using CBD, I literally use it every night of my life. Like it is a game changer for me. Helps me fall asleep, but it helps me stay asleep. That's what I really find. And I find like, if I wake up in the middle of the night for whatever reason and can't get back to sleep, which is rare these days, but it does happen. I'll, you know, have some CBD from the tincture and I'm, I fall back asleep. It's so great.
Barry Conrad
Definitely did help me sleep now. Yeah, it's just just just relax and just like helps you with anxiety And if you're feeling overwhelmed as well, I remember that as well.
And if your mind's racing, so I totally get that
Melanie Avalon
And actually, I've been having some shoulder pain. I just realized, I'm gonna put this on there. Man, I wish I had done it earlier during the podcast. I could have like in real time reported back. What's wrong with your shoulder, what happened? I don't know, I pulled something like years ago, but it's like flaring up for some reason. So yes, so that is my CBD update.
And I am currently literally massaging the oil beeswax one on my sore tendon. So we shall see.
Barry Conrad
See, listeners, Mel, honestly, Mel, whatever Melanie talks about, she literally really does use, even after the podcast when we're talking on the phone, we talk about the same stuff. So it's like she uses this and I'm so pumped that you're using it in real time for everyone.
That's funny and awesome.
Melanie Avalon
And I'm so happy we're having this conversation because I don't think it would have occurred to me to, I'm gonna report back, I'll report back next week. Wait, can it really work that fast?
Barry Conrad
What, you can feel the difference? I think so. That's awesome. It feels like it. Why report next week when you can report next moment?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I know. Okay, I'm going to use this. I'm going to go through this bottle. Awesome. All right.
Thank you again so much, Joanne, for your question. And yeah, definitely check out Tenasi and get that 25% off and the free shipping.
Barry Conrad
Awesome!
Melanie Avalon
Shall we have our proverbial breaking of the fast moment?
Barry Conrad
Couldn't be more ready. Let's do it.
Melanie Avalon
Okie dokie. So the intention of this part of the show is the health benefits of fasting are not due to just the fasting. They are also due to the eating window. So we love celebrating breaking the fast and eating all the things and talking about what we would order by profiling different restaurants.
So Barry, do you have something for us? And also I really do think the CBD is working. There you go. Real time. Yes. Okay. Okay. So what is your restaurant for us today?
Barry Conrad
Okay, the restaurant is called Sexy Fish, and it's in London, UK, and I've just sent you the link now. And why this restaurant is special is because it's one of the most visually incredible-looking dining rooms in London. Damon and her sculptures, glowing ceilings, massive fish installations, fully a la carte with Japanese-inspired seafood and sushi, wine-less that's vast and global and built for big nights out, and apparently the vibe is high-energy, glamorous, loud dinner as a spectacle, basically. It's just, like, really outrageously beautiful. So let's check it out.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness, I'm Googling it for pictures.
Speaker 3
Oh, look at the bathroom. Is that the bathroom? The bathroom. Do you see the picture of the bathroom?
Barry Conrad
Think of the selfies, the obligatory selfies that you take.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness. Listeners, friends, look up the sexy fish, London.
The bathroom is like fish tails holding up seashell sinks and everything is pink and there are fishes and oh. And then the actual dining room is stunning with the lights and oh
Speaker 3
Oh, okay.
Barry Conrad
And this is the thing we talk about, like, you know, the, the lighting and the, the vibe adds to even before you take a bite or have a sip of wine or anything. It's just going to elevate, you know?
Yes. Yeah. So click on that ala carte situation there, that menu, and it's a very, very extensive menu. So yeah, there's lots here, lots, and it's not all, not just fish, but you'll see, you'll soon find out.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, I like this menu. I like the vibe of the menu, even the menu. So vibe it is. Okay. So it's, it starts with, it starts with while you decide.
Barry Conrad
Do you remember, Mel, we had a restaurant that had a similar thing. Do you remember that?
I can't remember the name of it, but it was the only one that I can think of. It's like a while you decide on the appetizers. So on the while you decide, there's little bites here. Anything catching your eye there, Mel?
Melanie Avalon
The only thing I have not had squid before, have you? Yeah, you haven't. Yeah, and we talked about this. Yes.
Assuming it's not like fried, I think I would try maybe the salt and pepper squid. Oh, fun fact, I used to not eat pepper on anything. I don't know why, but I recently, oh, I know why. Because I was, I'm prepping for a show with a doctor who has a book about Ayurvedic medicine and literally she has like an entire chapter on turmeric. And I know turmeric curcumin from turmeric absorbs better with black pepper. So I started like adding black pepper. And then I started looking up the benefits of black pepper. I have become a black pepper fiend.
I now like, I use so much black pepper and I love that you like grind it, you know? Yeah. Actually, I got a blend. I got like a blend of like at Whole Foods. Whole Foods, they have like a black, white, green, organic pepper blend and a grinder. And so now I'm putting on everything. So my point is the salt and pepper squid, I might say hold the salt, but keep the pepper. you
Barry Conrad
I can definitely verify, not that I've eaten at this place, but salt and pepper squid in general as a dish is such a vibe and it's so delicious. And if they're grilling it and not frying it, but all both ways are good, but it's just so good, Mel.
And the, yeah, a bit of lemon juice on there, the salt and pepper, yeah, it's really, really good. Good choice.
Melanie Avalon
It's a weird texture, right? It's like gummy.
Speaker 3
ish.
Barry Conrad
It's maybe weird if you haven't had it, but it's not that hard to eat. Some people think it's gross because it's kind of tough or a little bit tough. But yeah, you have to try it, I guess.
Melanie Avalon
Have to get it here at sexy fish are you gonna get something from the while you decide menu.
Barry Conrad
I would definitely get the, the a five wagyu toast sounds interesting to me. I don't know. Yeah. It just sounds good with truffle mayo and then the King crab croquettes.
I do like anything crab. Why not?
Melanie Avalon
Awesome. And then we're entering berry territory. Tabiar and oysters. Berry texted me a picture the other day of a shirt where the emblem, like the logo, wasn't oyster.
Barry Conrad
It's like an oyster shirt. I just actually laughed in the store and they were like, are you okay?
Melanie Avalon
So funny. Oh, and they've got they've got the caviar that we've talked about the beluga one. That's super expensive
Barry Conrad
It seems to be a theme so I feel like are we gonna like are we meant to be having this blue together.
Melanie Avalon
We must have beluga, yeah, I think.
Barry Conrad
Blue energy. Anything catch your eye out of the caveat there? I know you don't.
Melanie Avalon
I mean, beluga.
Barry Conrad
Beluga. Beluga all day.
Melanie Avalon
How about you?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, beluga for the table, and then I can't not have oysters, so these galato oysters, I'm gonna get a dozen of those babies. Let's do it.
Melanie Avalon
Perfect. Okay, and then moving on. I haven't skipped ahead. I'm going like in order like in real time Now we're at the sushi counter
Barry Conrad
Yum, I love sushi.
Melanie Avalon
They have a sashimi section, so I would get the sake, the salmon Scotland. So the Scottish salmon sashimi.
Barry Conrad
Sashimi's so good because like, you know, we're talking about lean protein before. This is the perfect example of this. You could just eat platters of the stuff.
Melanie Avalon
Except salmon is actually not that lean, but it is an example though of protein.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I would get the, what would I get? I'm going to get the Zuwagani, Zuwagani snow crab.
Melanie Avalon
Mm, I would have some of that too. Oh yeah, yeah, I want some of that. I would actually want to get, you know what? I would want to get the snow crab and the king crab from Norway, the terra bagani. So then I could, I love, if there's something I love, I love like tasting and comparing different things. Like I want to go to a restaurant where there's like steak tastings, where it would be like the different, that's what I would like. Like, you know, if the meal was like a sliver of like filet and ribeye and pecana and like all these different types, like I like comparing things. I think I just love doing it.
So I would want to get the two crabs and compare them.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, yum. I was actually eyeing the same one. It looks really good. We might have to have more later, but yeah, that's good. Anything from the marquee or the sexy signatures?
Melanie Avalon
We know we're in London because we've got prawn. Um, I might, I mean, if the wagyu and foie gras was on the table, I would have a bite of that.
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
They don't have, oh, wait, oh, prawns are shrimp. I was like, they don't have shrimp, but they don't have just like straight up shrimp. How about you?
Barry Conrad
I would do the prawn burrata and caviar, but then also in the maki, I would, the smoked eel and foie gras sounds interesting to me.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, that's interesting. I would taste that, the eel, for sure.
Barry Conrad
I don't think I've tried Eel, I'd remember it if I did, I don't think I have.
Melanie Avalon
Have you seen an eel like at the aquarium? They are so scary.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, they're kind of out.
Melanie Avalon
They're so scary. They're like the scariest, I think they're the scariest animal.
They're not the scariest animal. Have you seen my, have you seen my posts of the Georgia aquarium that yields? Probably. They are terrifying. They're literally like nightmares incarnate. These are like the big eels, like the ones that are like, you know, six feet long. Yeah. I'm going to send you, I'm going to send you like a post and you'll see. They're scary.
Barry Conrad
I mean, they are scary, but I mean, they're not the scariest animal ever, like...
Melanie Avalon
Yes, they are. I'll send it to you and you'll see. Okay. They're terrifying.
Barry Conrad
Okay, let's go down to the next page, which is raw and chilled, or the skewers, they both look good.
Melanie Avalon
Oh now we have beef carpaccio. I want that.
And there are skewers. Grilled scallops. Yes. And grilled tiger prawn. Yes. And chicken yakitori. Is yakitori the spice or like a sauce or is it oh so it can just have salt or it can have a sauce on it.
Barry Conrad
It's grilled over charcoal often seasoned with salt or sweet soy glaze, literally meaning grilled bird. That sounds pretty good actually.
Melanie Avalon
and they have grilled octopus, they have so many things.
Barry Conrad
Well, actually, you know what, Mel, that whole skewer section, I would get one of each of those. There's glazed pork belly, grilled octopus, chicken yakitori, grilled tiger prawn, grilled scallops.
Have you tried tiger prawns, by the way?
Melanie Avalon
I don't think so because we don't really have prawns here.
Barry Conrad
It's so good. It's so good.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my goodness, wait, guess what Barry? I should have had more trust.
Speaking of like AI earlier, I should have had more trust in modern technology. So now you can just like, I just typed in eel and it found my pictures of the eel. I'm going to send this to you. You have to watch it. You have to click play.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, they actually are massive. That's not what I was picturing, so they're not nice at all.
Melanie Avalon
And they're like six feet long, and they're like, yeah, so, okay. Um, back to the menu. Are we at salads or this menu is confusing to me. There's so many sections.
Barry Conrad
There's salads and rubata, so side by side, so we have anything from the salad jumping out at you?
Melanie Avalon
No, I always pass the salads.
Barry Conrad
What about the robota?
Melanie Avalon
Although if I was getting a salad, they have what might be the most intriguing salad that looks delicious.
Barry Conrad
The crispy duck.
Melanie Avalon
Yes. Crispy duck and watermelon with pomegranate. That's cool. Not getting it, but that's cool. Okay. Robota.
Barry Conrad
And that means a method of cooking food over a hot charcoal grill. So basic, literally like fireside cooking. So that's going to be really good, Mel. That's going to all be really good, I reckon.
Melanie Avalon
They have an Australian prime ribeye. I actually don't know if I would get anything from this section. Do you see? Maybe grilled lobster. How about you?
Barry Conrad
I would do the grilled lobster and definitely the caramelized lamb rack with red yuzu kosho and herbs. That sounds so good.
Speaker 3
I'm.
Melanie Avalon
amazing. And then we are down to
Barry Conrad
We're almost done. It's a big menu. It's quite comprehensive.
Melanie Avalon
I wonder like when you go here, do you just order like lot like little, you know, different ones at a time, you just
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I kind of get that vibe as well. Like you just kind of, it's like a long booking. You just order.
Melanie Avalon
Like you just like keep ordering things? Oh, I know. I know what I want meal wise, but before that, what is guaiosa? What is guaiosa? Guiosa? Guiosa.
Barry Conrad
like a like a dumpling kind of a thing like you know like a dumpling I'm out no okay not really not really a dumpling it's like a pocket of it's like a okay it's like a Chinese dumpling but it's really honestly it's it's really really good trust me it's really really delicious
Melanie Avalon
I'm out for that. I'm out for that and I'm out for tempura because that means fried, right? Okay, good. So I can like ignore those categories. Are you getting anything?
Barry Conrad
I can probably pass on those too because there's so many other things here. There's the wagyu section.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, the wagyu section, very excited about. I want the Japanese A5. So they have a filet and they have a sirloin. I mean, they both look amazing, but honestly I could probably go the sirloin route.
Barry Conrad
Same. I would do the same. I prefer a solo in any way. That's my favorite.
Melanie Avalon
Actually, no, this will be an example where I want to do both. So this is the example so that I can like compare. So like one A5 sirloin, one A5 filet, and then do a tasting.
Barry Conrad
Okay, looks like last but not least, any of these rice and veggies and noodles intrigue you in any way.
Melanie Avalon
No, I just read the category and I'm I'm out again. How about you?
Barry Conrad
I would I'm sort of tempted to at least try some of the well definitely have steamed rice because I love steamed rice But then I want to just have like a bite of the lobster udon ramen because I love udon and I love lobster, so
Melanie Avalon
And then they have treats add-ons. Apparently, we could have been adding. They should have put this at the top of the menu.
Because how many people are going to start at the top and not realize? So you can add on caviar or black truffle to anything.
Barry Conrad
It's actually quite a decadent, it's quite a lot of food.
Melanie Avalon
Are you a truffle fan? Have you had black truffle?
Barry Conrad
Yes. I am a truffle fan. Yeah, they should have put that at the top.
Melanie Avalon
I don't think I've actually had black truffle.
Barry Conrad
It's pretty yum. Should we go to the dessert? Oh, this is a very big dessert menu.
Melanie Avalon
Although I need to stay on this menu because I'm going to get for dessert, this is the perfect menu to have a savory dessert because I could just order another of whatever I had most enjoyed. So I probably might get like more sashimi or more carpaccio or more, you know, more of something.
Barry Conrad
I'm just going to get the chocolate fondant on the dessert menu and the
Melanie Avalon
I'm supposed to guess, don't-
Barry Conrad
and okay I'll get I'm getting one other one what's the other one do you think I'll get
Melanie Avalon
Well, I would have said chocolate fondant, obviously. And then second one, do you maybe want to try the cinnamon donut?
Barry Conrad
Yes, I actually would I actually would do the term term a cookie
Melanie Avalon
Oh, okay. I was looking at that too. That looks cool. Kalua, coffee, and marshmallow.
Barry Conrad
It's like tiramisu, but tiramucucchi.
Melanie Avalon
That's cool.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, so I reckon I'll do that and then there's some cocktails on the side there. Definitely going to go for a Don Julio Espresso Martini. That sounds really yummy. Because this kind of place is quite different, so I'll do that.
They have a wine list? They do. So go back to the click back and then there's wine and sake. Yay. Have you had a good day? Have you had a good day? Have you had a good day? Have you had a good day? Have you had a good day?
Melanie Avalon
had sake before I've definitely been at a place and people had it but I don't think I did I definitely had it like when I was I didn't have it but I went when I was in LA and we went downtown somewhere and like sake was happening but I don't think I had it how about you
Barry Conrad
I have had it. It's not it's not my favorite thing or maybe I just haven't had a good experience, but it's I find it heavier than Yeah, I find it pretty heavy to drink but it's an experience for sure.
Extensive list here by the way of wines.
Melanie Avalon
So basically, whenever it comes to wine for listeners, they know my protocol. I have to... Well, I now have my chat trained, so I have like a chat thing. I just take a picture of the menu, I give it a chat, and then it tells me what is organic, what is lower alcohol, what has minimal sulfites or low sulfites, and then I go that route. So okay, they have a lot of wines on this list, so I feel confident that I can find something easily.
Probably will be a French wine of sorts. This is a really big list.
Barry Conrad
It is actually, I would definitely get a bottle of sablee as well. Like a good white, especially all the fish we're having, yeah. I'm with like the lobster and stuff, you know.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, maybe like a nice light gamay from France. Which speaking of tomorrow, I am going to a level two wine tasting course. Remember I told you that I went to like the level one tasting course here. And I, do you remember that story? I like basically they thought I was really stupid cause I, cause like the entire class were, was like older people who were there to learn about wine. And then I walked in like clearly like with the influencer tickets and looking really stupid and then I was tasting the wines and I was tasting the wrong wines from, but then I won the exam at the end. And so I'm going back to level two tomorrow.
They're having me back. So shout out by the way to Vino venue in Atlanta. If anybody lives in Atlanta and they ever want to do any sort of wine class or like wine tasting, they literally have classes all the time. Like their calendar is crazy. So their website is vino venue.com. B-I-N-O-B-E-N-U-E.com. And you can check out all their things. So I'm going to that tomorrow. And do you want to come?
Barry Conrad
I would love to come to something like that, I'd love to go to that. You're going to smash it, by the way, you're going to be so good.
Melanie Avalon
I'm nervous. I feel like I got a I wonder if there's gonna be an exam at the end again, probably.
Barry Conrad
There'll be another story to go along with that so I can't wait.
Melanie Avalon
probably about how I like don't win and I'm tragically torn.
Barry Conrad
You drinks like so many great wines, you're going to be fine.
Melanie Avalon
We'll see. The thing I'm excited about is apparently at this class, this is something that I've wanted to do for so long. Apparently we'll find out if they actually do it.
Apparently they have like a, cause you know like they'll talk about when you're wine tasting, like all of the different aromas and like flavors. Yes. So apparently there's like a sniffing board. So we're going to smell the different things. Like the actual, like, so like, because I realized like when I make wine notes, I'll be like, oh, this is like current and like, you know, ramble berry, but I don't actually know what those.
Speaker 3
taste like. So you smell it first, then taste it, then say...
Melanie Avalon
I have no idea. They just said that they said they used to do it in level one, but it got too complicated So now it's only in level two.
And so here we go Sniffing board here. I come so but in any case, this is a great find Sexy fish this may be I should be keeping an ongoing list.
This might be up there for ones. I want to go to the most
Barry Conrad
Well, it's very U-coded and like visually anyway, and also with the sashimi piece as well.
Melanie Avalon
It's literally everything I like. The vibe looks amazing. The bathrooms look, I can't even. And then I can just order lots of meat and fish without like just meat and fish, like on repeat, like rinse and repeat. Sounds like Melanie Heaven.
I know. Sexy fish, come to Atlanta, please. Awesome. Well, this was so much fun. Friends, we hope you had the best time with us. If you would like to submit your own questions for this show, you can directly email questions at ifodcast.com, or you can go to ifodcast.com and submit questions there. These show notes for today's episode will be at ifpodcast.com slash episode 478. They will have a transcript as well as links to everything that we talked about. So definitely check that out. And you can follow us on Instagram, we are ifodcast. I am Melanie Avalon, Barry is Barry underscore Conrad. And I think that's all the things. Anything from you, Barry, before we go?
Barry Conrad
No, this has been an amazing episode. Thanks so much for tuning in again, everyone, and chat to you next week.
Melanie Avalon
Awesome, I'll talk to you next week.
Barry Conrad
Talk to you next week, bye!
Melanie Avalon
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