Episode 434 – Protein Politics, Fasting To Reduce Blood Pressure, Is Protein Just For Men, The Simulation Hypothesis, Liver King, Magnesium, Seed, And Serrapeptase Timing, And More!
Welcome to Episode 434 of The Intermittent Fasting Podcast, hosted by Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What When Wine Diet: Lose Weight And Feel Great With Paleo-Style Meals, Intermittent Fasting, And Wine, and Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC.
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Melanie Avalon
Welcome to episode 434 of the Intermittent Fasting podcast. If you want to burn fat, gain energy, and enhance your health by changing when you eat, not what you eat, with no calorie counting, then this show is for you.
I'm Melanie Avalon, biohacker, founder of AvalonX, and author of What, When, Wine. Lose weight and feel great with paleo-style meals, intermittent fasting, and wine. And I'm joined by my co-hosts, Barry Conrad, actor, singer-songwriter, and creator and host of Banter with BC. For more on us, check out MelanieAvalon.com and BarryConradOfficial.com. You can submit questions for the show by emailing questions at iapodcast.com or by going to iapodcast.com. We would love to hear from you. Please remember, the thoughts and opinions on this show do not constitute medical advice or treatment. So pour yourself a mug of black coffee, a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine if it's that time, and get ready for the Intermittent Fasting podcast. Hi, everybody, and welcome. This is episode number 434 of the Intermittent Fasting podcast. I'm Melanie Avalon. I'm here with Barry Conrad, who is now in a new location yet again. Congratulations.
Barry Conrad
Hey, everyone. Hey, Mel. And she's not right. You're not wrong, Mel.
It's like I'm in... Where am I now? I'm in Melbourne, Australia. So, listen, this is out there. It's kind of like distance was like an hour, 10 minutes sort of from Sydney flight. So, it's not too far, but it looks completely different. I'm looking over the city right now on the 13th floor of this apartment building. Totally different vibe to where I was before. And it's the sort of the next stop, the in-between spot before I go to New York, which is crazy.
Melanie Avalon
New York. Yeah, that is that is wild. Do you like so for like living? Like, would you want to live in the city indefinitely? Do you like the country? Like, what's your living vibe?
Barry Conrad
I've always kind of said, I'm kind of half cabin slash ocean half city, you know, like I'd need like, if there's an opportunity for me to get to the ocean or, you know, nature, then I can stay in the city. But if it's just like exclusively kind of escape, either extreme, then I'm not really happy with that.
So I'm excited for a new change because I haven't lived in the city before ever. You know, so this is going to be really different, like literally change the scenery, change of country. So it's all happening.
Melanie Avalon
Wow. Yeah, I think I'm the same. I love the city. I wouldn't want to live there indefinitely, though.
I would feel like I would need like an out. And I also love like the country, but I definitely don't want to live forever in the country. Yeah, yeah, that'd be nice to have like multiple places.
Barry Conrad
I 100% agree. I kind of also think now with you, with your very packed social schedule and your Avalon walk down the aisle at different shows and stuff, like it's not that many shows out in the country.
So if you're stuck in a country, we're going to go to like the local, the local, I don't know.
Melanie Avalon
First of all, it's not super packed. It's once a week. You're the king. You're the king of social packedness. I feel like you're like just always doing something sparkly.
Barry Conrad
Actually, he's talking about Sparkly this past weekend. I went to Beetlejuice, the Australian premier of the musical Beetlejuice.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, which I saw your your suit and you nailed it. It like was in theme. Did I comment? If I didn't comment, I'm commenting now like in real in real time.
Barry Conrad
It's the first time that I actually wore shade, like I actually wore sunglasses inside A because I always used to give people like, Oh, that's so lame that people do that. But I kind of thought my stylist was like, this is the moment to do it because it's like in theme.
It's like a situation you're on the red carpet and then I took it off, I took them off, you know, afterwards, but it's, I loved it. So different.
Melanie Avalon
You looked amazing. Listeners, go look at this picture.
Although it's going to be way in the past now when this comes out. But yeah, your suit was like Beetlejuice. Did you get that designed for the premiere?
Barry Conrad
It was specifically like it was made to made for my shape because I work with Theodore, which is the suit company and they, yeah, everything that I wear from there is, it just fits like a glove.
Melanie, I'm sending you something right now. Look at this on, uh, on what, uh, that's oops, that's somebody else. You know what you said, you know.
Melanie Avalon
when you send it to the wrong person? Oh, you sent it to the wrong person.
Barry Conrad
I'm sending it to, I sent it to Danny. Sorry, Danny.
Melanie Avalon
Can you unsand on WhatsApp?
Barry Conrad
You can, but it has to be pretty quick. I'm sending it to you now on WhatsApp one, two, three, and have a look at that. The photographer just sent me this.
Melanie Avalon
Wait, did you send it to my sister by accident?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I don't know, I answered it.
Melanie Avalon
I have to tell you something about that, but okay, I'm looking at this picture.
Barry Conrad
But look at what that this is like one of the papers and stuff.
Melanie Avalon
Oh my gosh, really? Wait, let me, okay. The evening's guest list sparkled. Markled. Oh my goodness.
And then we have a picture of Barry, Barry Conrad, the multi-faceted actor and singer whose talents have illuminated both stage and screen, brought his signature charisma to the proceedings. Nice. And they put your picture. That's, this is the, this is the, what times? The Turek, the Turek. Is that like a newspaper or a news outlet?
Barry Conrad
It's really funny because sometimes, especially when we're doing the restaurant segment or whatnot, you try to say the word sometimes and then you wait for me to say it.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, yeah. So I don't sound stupid.
Oh, my goodness. Yes, no, I told Danielle I was gonna share this with you on the air. We decided, we thought about it. We think you might be an NPC. Do you know what this is?
Barry Conrad
No, but I'm curious. What is it? What's an NPC?
Melanie Avalon
It's a non-player character. So let me explain. In video games, okay, you know, you know, in video games, there's like all the characters that are not actually being played by other players, like in multiplayer video games. So they're called NPCs, like that's the phrase.
The term has kind of been evolved to mean, and people use it like different ways, but like in simulation hypothesis, there's the idea that maybe people are NPCs. The reason we think you're a non-player character, basically, we think maybe you're not a real human because you're like because you're like so talented, so beautiful, so nice, so kind. So we're like, you know what, maybe he's an NPC, maybe he's not real.
Barry Conrad
So this whole time you're just talking to an NPC and you know, I'm a real person.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, you're like AI basically.
Barry Conrad
That's really funny.
Melanie Avalon
But the thing is, you know, we wouldn't know because if there are NPCs, well, so, yeah, we nominate you. Are you an NPC?
Barry Conrad
I'm not an NPC but I also melt
Melanie Avalon
You deny?
Barry Conrad
You're going to find out pretty soon.
Melanie Avalon
How am I gonna find out? No, I feel like I'm less likely to find out because the AI is just gonna get more evolved.
Barry Conrad
So NPCs, they can still look, act, feel like a human, but they're not really, is that what you're saying?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah.
Barry Conrad
Mm-hmm Danny. I don't know like how did this year? How did this even come up?
Melanie Avalon
How did this come up? I was over at my parents' town home, picking out Christmas decorations. Long story. We were going through all the stuff from growing up.
Barry Conrad
Christmas?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, my mom was like going through all her Christmas stuff and getting rid of it. So we were like claiming what we wanted. So I had to go over there to like go through all the Christmas stuff, which was quite fun.
How did it come up? My mom was saying something about I think I was saying I was recording with you today. My mom was saying something. What does she say? Oh, she commented on how she loves listening to your voice, like how you're great for the podcast and you're so great to listen to.
And then that just spiraled from there. Because then me and Danielle were like, I know. Yeah, his voice, his talent, he's kind, all the things. Maybe he's an NPC. And then that, yeah.
Barry Conrad
That's so funny because I could just see like, you know, Danny's voice and like, I don't know, I could just hear her saying it just makes me laugh.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, we like analyze the situation. And then I was like, I'm going to tell him this on the podcast tomorrow. So here we are.
Barry Conrad
Listeners, do you think I'm an NPC?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, we should do a poll.
Barry Conrad
What if you're an NPC?
Melanie Avalon
I know, right?
Barry Conrad
you are. I feel like you definitely would be more than I would be.
Melanie Avalon
I'm not. If there is, okay, if I had to put my money on one person being an NPC, I think, oh my gosh, how did I forget his name? Brian Johnson. He seems like an NPC.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I agree. I think so too. Yeah. But he has like the look, you know?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, yeah. And like the longevity stuff. And then if he's an NPC, he actually could live forever, you know?
Barry Conrad
We talked about this as well i don't i don't want to look for you kind of what did you say like you might want to.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, no, I do. I do. I literally thought everybody did. But apparently, nobody does except for me and a few other and Brian Johnson and a few other people.
I think even Dave Asprey like caps it at 180 or something. Yeah.
Barry Conrad
If you could look the same and have the same energy like that's one thing but if you like getting super.
You know deficient and super elderly and you can't move and stuff what would you live you know forever.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I don't I guess I I separate that out. So I'm just assuming in this live forever situation that I'm functional that I'm not I don't want to Yeah, because if you live forever, then that means the whole aging thing gets Twisted around you know because you couldn't just age forever.
So maybe you just plateau so if I could plateau at like this state That i'm in right now
Barry Conrad
Have you seen the Blake Lardley film, you know which one I'm talking about?
Melanie Avalon
Oh yeah, yeah, Age of Adeline.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I feel like you'd love that movie.
Melanie Avalon
I've watched that multiple times. I have a major crush on Flake Lively, so I will watch anything she's in.
Barry Conrad
She's a babe.
Melanie Avalon
I literally will go, like, I don't go to the movie theaters, but if Blake Lively's isn't a movie, I'm like, I'm there. I will go by myself and watch it.
Barry Conrad
Still to watch her. That's funny
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, that's why I loved watching the one It Ends With Us.
Barry Conrad
I haven't seen that, but there's a whole lot of drama around that, right?
Melanie Avalon
there's a lot of drama around it. Yeah, there's a lot of drama.
And so Blake Lively is in it. And then the main guy is beautiful too. So it was just like watching two beautiful people for, you know, an hour and a half. You like that? Yep. That's when I went by myself.
Barry Conrad
Maybe the NPC's, Blake Lively, are you an NPC?
Melanie Avalon
No, no, no. Sometimes though, when I walk, and I promise listeners we'll stop talking about this, but sometimes when I walk through the world and you see, you know, people like on the sidewalk, it's like, hmm, maybe these people are NPCs.
You know, maybe if we're in a video game, then yeah.
Barry Conrad
There are, you know, I'm surrounded by a lot of very good looking, beautiful people in what I do, but that sometimes when someone makes you double take, it's like, whoa, like someone shouldn't look that good. Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Melanie Avalon
And you're saying like those type of people seem like they might be NPCs.
Barry Conrad
Well, Melanie, no, I don't normally think that. But now that you say that you do that, maybe I should go, maybe they're not real.
Maybe they're AI, maybe they're like trial runs, you know, trial models.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, the people I'm like suspicious like pink might be NPCs are the people who will the beautiful people that I know, like people like you who are also like, really kind and talented, like just like all the things. So it's like little suspicious.
And then the people like out in the world that not necessarily super attractive or anything, but just like the people on the street, like in cars and like I said, like on sidewalks, it's like, if this is a video game simulation, people out there might not be, they might just be NPCs. And then people like, yeah, Brian Johnson. So it may be Elon Musk, I don't know.
Barry Conrad
So now my mind's actually open and kind of get to this whole situation because of you.
Melanie Avalon
Well, listeners, this conversation is interesting to you. Check out my interview with Riz Burke, who wrote the simulation hypothesis. He's one of the main people who popularized that theory. He was on Joe Rogan Ford, actually. And it will blow your mind.
It will have you convinced that maybe we do live in a simulation. I don't know. I actually don't know. I don't know if I think we do, but do you think we do?
Barry Conrad
Do you know what I've heard so much of this, like, especially the past couple of years, the simulation thing, I don't know who knows, you know, but I am curious what, tell me the episode again that we should listen to. I want to listen to it.
Melanie Avalon
So it's episode 278 of the Melanie Avalon Biohacking podcast. It's with Riz Firk. He wrote the simulation hypothesis. He was so great.
I heard his interview on Rogan, and I was like, I must interview this man. And I just cold reached out to him. And he was down, and he came on. And he's an MIT computer scientist. And yeah, it's really interesting.
Barry Conrad
Is it a compelling argument for the simulation theory? What do you think?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. Yeah. Especially if you read the book. Yeah.
And if you listen to the interview, it's too much to go into detail now, but it makes sense. Basically, everything he says makes sense. So it wouldn't surprise me.
Barry Conrad
I'm going to check it out, and that would also, that means that could be an NPC as well.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, that's true. Like an NPC who's like telling us.
Barry Conrad
He's warning us, he's telling us. Hilarious. Okay, I'll check it out.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, well that was all the lovely tangents and rabbit holes. Shall we jump into stuff?
Barry Conrad
Let's do it. What would you like to get into first?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, so we can either do the study that you have or the article. What do you want to do first?
Barry Conrad
Let's jump on into that article. I feel like we're on this trajectory right now.
Melanie Avalon
Perfect. Okay. So Barry found this really interesting article in Vanity Fair, although by the time this comes out it will be an old article. Regardless, it is called Why Are Americans So Obsessed With Protein?
Blame. Do people call it, do they say like MAGA or do they just say Make America Great Again? Do people say MAGA? I know people say MAHA. Make America Healthy Again. Do they say MAHA? Is that a thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do say MAHA. Yeah, because like the subline, the subtitle, From the Liver King to the Podcast Bros to RFK Junior's MAHA, there it is, constituents, America's infatuation with protein has reached a fever pitch and it's undeniably gendered. Okay, I will say a few things here. One, we don't normally get very political on this show, so this is not meant to be like a super political thing. We just can't not talk about this. And then two, yeah, so do people say MAGA? Because all I hear is MAHA and I hear Make America Great Again, but I don't hear people say MAGA.
Barry Conrad
I feel like I actually have heard people say MAGA, especially over the last year and a half or so. I have heard that. Yeah, I've never heard MAHA, but I've heard MAGA.
Melanie Avalon
So basically, and you can tell me if you agree with my summary of this article, but basically what they're saying, proposing, is that there's this high protein infatuation thing happening in society, and it's mostly from this masculine maga, making America great again. It's like that it's all political, this focus on protein, and that it's actually doing a disservice, that it's supporting empowering potentially problematic gender stereotypes and things like that. Isn't that basically the takeaway of this article?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, well, when I first saw this listeners, I actually like responded. I put this on my story and I said, along with a photo of it, I was like, you know, considering the current RDA is 0.8 grams of protein per kg of body weight. And that's just to prevent muscle deficiency, meaning most people already fall short daily.
And after age 30, we lose muscle at a rate of 3.8% per decade. I reckon there are worse things to be quote unquote obsessed with then protein wink, because I thought there was it was sort of like a clickbaity title. But when I got into it, I was like, I think the main thing that I'm getting is that it's kind of become theatrical, and sort of like a symbol of masculinity. And like, you know, you get these like shirtless guys screaming into cameras and like, shotgunning raw eggs, you know, eating raw liver, you know, stuff like that alpha male vibes. So it stops being about nutrition and starts being about theater and attention.
And it's not here's why protein matters. It's more like watch me dominate the day. Watch me dominate the day about deadlifting bison while yelling about soy like, you know, just really, you know, and what happens is the science gets drowned out because, you know, it's not Yeah, it shouldn't be politic politicized like this.
Melanie Avalon
And what's so interesting is so I that I okay, I think that what bothered me I guess about the article is that it's not an or to me, it's not an or situation. It's not like either protein is this masculine hyper thing that's really like you said, the like theatrical and all of this stuff or or protein really helps us to me, it's like, I think it's and like, I think there's this really big importance in protein. I'm so happy people are more aware of it now.
And there is the potential for it to, you know, become this stereotype thing. And those can both exist. But then when you read the article, the article is kind of making the case that it's like the or situation. It's like, because of the current politics and government and everything, this, like all this focus on protein is a negative. And it's all like supported by this agenda. And it's like, okay, maybe maybe it's good that we have a growing awareness on protein. And maybe sometimes it also creates these stereotypes at the same time. You know, like that all can exist at the same time, rather than rather than saying like, this big protein message is supporting certain political stances.
Barry Conrad
I just don't get that. I mean, I know that maybe because some of these figures, because I aware that the writer thinks or believes them to be a support of a certain person in politics, maybe then she's acquainting that with like, MAGA or politics, but I mean, I love that you brought up the IDA to begin with because that gives readers, I bet a lot of readers wouldn't even know that.
So that's, yeah, we love that people know about protein, but it's wild that, I don't know, we're at a point now where like, how much chicken you eat is political? How's that political? It's not right wing or wolf or anything. It's just, I'm confused by, I guess I'm interested in what inspired her to write this.
Melanie Avalon
Well, it's interesting. Yeah, it's okay. So like, because I took out some notes from it. So like, when she mentions the RDA, that's a good example. Because she mentions it to kind of make it seem like this is a problem, this focus on protein.
Because she says the RDA for protein is point 36 grams per pound of body weight. But some popular online health experts, like Peter Attia, who advises David protein and has invested in the Did you read this part? And as invested in the protein for deer meat company Maui Nui Venison, who we love on the show, recommends for greater levels. He says that his practice aims for one gram per pound of body weight. Andrew Huberman has called this a good starting point. Though, okay, I can't even though one of his own supplements of choice and a financial incentive is AG one, which contains a measly two grams of protein per serving. Okay, this paragraph, there's so much with this paragraph, AG one is not a protein supplement. It's a green mineral supplement. It's not supposed to be a protein supplement. So you see how she's trying to like discredit him. And then, and then she talks about how he's an investor in a protein company. So that's why he's, you know, saying that it's more and you know, yeah, that he invested in Maui Nui Venison, which let us just take a moment for that Maui Nui Venison, because we love Maui Nui Venison. Actually, they're honestly like one of my favorite brands that we've, I think ever worked with. I'm so obsessed. So basically, what they're doing is the the deer venison population in Hawaii, they're an invasive species, they're actually kind of wrecking the ecosystem. So having a company like Maui Nui where they hunt these deer sustainably and in a stress free way. It's actually helping the ecosystem of Hawaii and then these deer it's a it's a it's an extremely nutritious protein, like it is very high in protein. So it's a lean red meat, really high in nutrients. It's delicious. Like I just I love this stuff. Like there's so much good that's coming from that. And we do need more protein in our diet. So it's kind of, yeah, it's it's and then there's I have some other notes. But do you have any other thoughts on that part? She also has a
Barry Conrad
Yeah, well I love that she's namedroped Dr. Gabrielle Lyon and also Maui Nui, so that's a good thing. So we love that. And we love that she brought up the audio to begin with, but you're right.
Melanie Avalon
in a negative light though, you know.
Barry Conrad
Yeah and also like i agree with you know pretty and whatnot and even human that you know one gram or even one point five grams is a way better starting point than that and i think it's just yeah i think it's really. Cheeky and it comes off really petty the fact that she tried to you know it quite the edgy one product with it's not a protein at all.
Melanie Avalon
Does somebody not fact check this before they publish it? Like Athletic Greens, who are a former sponsor of this show as well, not a protein supplement. Not a protein supplement. At all.
Barry Conrad
I also, it's so interesting because the day before I saw this for the first time, I saw someone that I follow, not going to call them out or anything, but they're sort of jokingly posted on their story, like a meme, and then they said something like, oh, if I hear another person say that I need more protein in my diet, like I'm going to throw something at the wall. And then I saw this article, and so I'm wondering, is that happening in America right now for real?
Are you seeing and feeling more like this wave? Because in Australia, we do see it online, but if it's like really big in America, is that a thing right now? Because this is an American trend here.
Melanie Avalon
Is it a thing in that it's very pervasive on social media, this protein messaging?
Barry Conrad
Well, in the States, I should say specifically, you know, like Americans.
Melanie Avalon
Well, it's hard for me to answer that. Well, this article makes it seem like it is. Oh, which really quickly what she says about Gabrielle Lyon, because she talks about how this protein is a very male driven thing. I'm going to get back to I'm going to get to your question. It relates to this.
So she quotes Cambridge Health Alliance and associate professor at Harvard Medical School, Peter Cohen, she says that he says, I don't have a good sense of what's driving that right now. Speaking to this, like, high protein thing, other than it's just the usual manosphere, or manomania here in the United States. Everyone's letting their testosterone out these days. And then when I read that, I'm like, well, so does that mean if I really want to eat this high protein diet, which I do, and I talk about all the time, does that mean that does that mean I'm I can't because like I'm a woman or does that mean I'm like supporting the manosphere, like, and then she talks about how there's an like, there's an intertwining of masculinity and red meat. But then she says, like, I'm going to get back to my question, I'm going to get back to my question, I'm going to get back to my question, I'm going to get back to my question, I'm going to get back to my question, I'm going to get back to my question, I'm going to get back to my question, I'm going to get back to my question, I'm going to get to what I was going to say. She says, big protein may have come for all of us because prior to that part of the article, she's talking about how protein is being driven by the manosphere.
And then she says, Mary Claire Haver and Gabrielle Lyon are prominent pro protein online personalities who target their content toward women. And an informal poll floated to an active group chat found that the respondent protein supplement enthusiasts had women slightly outnumbering the men sample size five. So that was kind of like a dig at them. To answer your question, it's hard for me to know because so much of my content is health and wellness.
And so I'm the target, I'm up for the algorithm, I'm the target for this. And I don't, I don't know what social media looks like here in the US when you're not into health and wellness. I don't know if this protein messaging is being thrust on everybody's throats. I'm guessing it is from this article and this conversation. But yeah, so just to just to say what I was saying earlier, I think it's so great that we're having an awareness on protein and it, because it actually can like change your metabolism. Like we talked about all the time, this shows for your metabolism, support weight loss, you're not going to be hungry, you're going to get your nutrients, like it's life changing for people. And the idea that there's these like male centric people, you know, doing protein powders and like at the gym, like with their selfies, like that can exist also, but it doesn't mean that high protein is big is quote, big protein coming for us.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, it's so extreme. I mean, you don't have to, especially the danger is that people start now avoiding protein just to steer clear of this manosphere slash bro image. Now that's not helpful. It turns people away.
And you're so right in her saying that about, you know, Dr. Gabroline, does that mean that if you now want to have a lot of protein, are you supported? Yeah. Are you supporting this whole movement or wave? It's not a movement. Protein has always been here. I don't understand that messaging or how it's even like relative to politics. I just, that to me, there's no connection to me at all. I don't get that. I didn't understand that reading the article.
Melanie Avalon
It's so, so interesting. And like I was saying, I'm very non-political personally. I would say I'm libertarian. I don't read the news.
I just let it filter its way down to me. But yeah, this was really, really, it was a good find for sure. Did we start talking about it because of how it references White Lotus?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, we were talking about Whiteloaders. Yeah, yeah.
The Patrick Swayze. Oh, not Patrick Swayze. Patrick Swayze. Patrick Swayze. He's in it, and then he's like, hey, there's this article, and he's on the front page kind of thing. Photo of him.
Melanie Avalon
What's weird about that part is because I just finished the season. Have you, are you watching it?
Barry Conrad
Not yet. I haven't, I know I'm going to watch it. I promise I'm going to see it, but I haven't seen it yet.
Melanie Avalon
two years because I was Googling and I think the next one's going to come out in like two years maybe. And when that season comes out, we're going to watch it together.
Barry Conrad
At the same time. Okay, that sounds good.
Melanie Avalon
So you have two years to get caught up, unless they surprise us and it comes out next month. And then you, I don't know what we'll do. We'll figure it out. We'll figure something out.
Barry Conrad
Well, what did you say? Melanie said that she liked the first season and then this third season. So is he standing by that, Mel?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, yeah, yes. Yes, I finished the third season. Mm hmm. So good. So good. My favorite. Yeah, so now my order is three, three, one, two, what's so that there
Barry Conrad
Good one. Wow. It must be really good then.
Melanie Avalon
I really liked it.
Barry Conrad
I'm not gonna take two years to watch it though don't worry.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, good. So we can talk about it.
Yeah, but she references some scene in that with Patrick Schwarzenegger and some scene where they throw down a protein shake and are joking about it. I don't even remember that scene. So it's like an example of the whole show was not some protein agenda. I didn't even remember that scene that she talks about.
Barry Conrad
I feel like I feel like that's cherry picking and I feel like it's also very topical and she's, it comes off like she's using that to, you know, get clicks. I don't, you know, yeah, Patrick.
Melanie Avalon
But I think, I don't know, I think articles like that. On the one hand, it's nice that it draws attention to high protein and these names out there. Maybe people will look up these, look up Gabrielle Lyon and look up, you know, Andrew Huberman and Peter Attia and actually be interested.
Maui Nui. Maui Nui, yeah. But I don't know. I just read that and I was like, okay, so basically you're saying if I like eating all the protein like I do and I identify as like a carnivore loving woman, then I'm supporting some political agenda, which is crazy to me.
Barry Conrad
It is crazy. I mean, you know, I definitely see it at the gym melt, like there's definitely gym bros and like protein, protein, protein, and it's this thing.
And you do see guys like that, but then I feel like there's extremes in it and anything, it doesn't mean everyone's like that, you know, it's just life.
Melanie Avalon
which, oh, that's what you were going to say, because I have not watched the Liver King documentary on Netflix. You haven't?
No, but my story about that is before he was famous, his company, Ancestral Supplements, I have been obsessed with for a long time, and they make these amazing grass-fed, different, all the different organs supplements. I reached out to them and I tried to get him on it's just as funny to me. I tried to get him on the podcast before he was like anything. I mean, he had the company because I was emailing back and forth with this guy, Brian, like the founder of the company. But then they were telling me, oh, Brian doesn't really, he doesn't like going on. He doesn't like being in the public media. I was like, okay. Then later, he became Liver King. I don't know what happened there.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, because when you see that, when you see the doco, he kind of gets into that a little bit like he hated doing like I'm paraphrasing, but he didn't like doing reels and videos and stuff, and he would take like
Melanie Avalon
Okay, so that tracks
Barry Conrad
Yeah, exactly. So he did all these things, like I had to do like 100 takes to do this, but I was like, you know, and then, but once he found like a sensational angle, like doing, you know, kind of out there stuff.
And I went viral, his team kind of pushed him to do it. And he's like, yeah, I've got to, I've got to keep doing this because it works.
Melanie Avalon
Well, that completely tracks that because I've been I've been very confused for a long time because he became so famous and I was like, wait, but we were emailing and he was saying they were saying he's like not about doing any like media stuff. So I was very confused.
That makes sense. I have to watch it.
Barry Conrad
It would kind of be like you, Melanie, all of a sudden, you know, or like vlogging your entire day from waking up. Yeah, it does. It's not really. Yeah.
Melanie Avalon
And because I don't do that, because we know me, I'm like, Oh, wow. Okay, that's so interesting. That's been bothering me for a very long time.
Because I was kind of like, maybe it wasn't him, because I just don't see how he became so famous based on the exchange we had. But that makes sense. Okay.
Barry Conrad
You know when you first said you had something to tell me about the living king guy?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, that would be really, yeah, no, that was not the case. I just tried to get him on my show, like literally when I had no idea who he was and neither did anybody else.
Barry Conrad
I could see how that would be confusing, but now I guess it kind of makes sense now, right? The doggo, yeah.
Melanie Avalon
us. Okay. Well, good find on that article.
Barry Conrad
No worries. You got it, you got it. I can't wait till you see the doco. I want to hear your thoughts, for real.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I have to watch. I haven't even watched the Brian Johnson documentary or I don't think I even watched the Peter Attia. I'm so bad at not watching documentaries.
The one with Chris N's words. I didn't watch that either.
Barry Conrad
You don't like tacos as much?
Melanie Avalon
No, I, I do. I, I don't know why I'm dropping the ball. It's usually because I'm like, have to watch Love Is Blind. And so, you know.
Barry Conrad
You answer love as blind?
Melanie Avalon
Barry, you know this. We've talked about this.
Barry Conrad
Okay. Wow. Okay. You like, okay. I don't know if I could, I could not do that. Come on.
Melanie Avalon
What? Are you judging me?
Barry Conrad
No, I mean, I couldn't watch it, but I couldn't be a contestant, the concept of it.
Melanie Avalon
Oh, I could never. Yeah. And I don't like reality television series, but there's something about that show. I've watched every single season. Every single one.
Barry Conrad
I've seen, do you like the love on the spectrum?
Melanie Avalon
I don't I literally don't watch any other reality TV. So so I don't I don't know I actually have seen that it's played in The salon that I go to it's like been on the background But when I say I literally don't watch reality TV, I literally don't except love is blind and then every episode
Barry Conrad
Okay. Well, I've learned this about, you know, like every season, every episode. Okay. Didn't know that that much.
Melanie Avalon
I could not be on that show though.
Barry Conrad
You couldn't? Mm-mm. Why not?
Melanie Avalon
Because I think so much of attraction is there's a physical component to it. And I think it's then you get judged if you like connect, you know, they connect in the pods and don't see each other and it's real. And then if they see each other, if they're not attracted to each other physically, they're not attracted and that should be okay.
But then it's like, oh, they're judging them by, you know, it's like, no, their bodies are telling them physically. They're not supposed to be together. They should probably listen to their bodies.
Barry Conrad
Biology
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, that's my thoughts. Do I think love is blind? I think non-romantic love is.
Barry Conrad
It was really funny the way you just said it was like very like do I think love is blind.
Melanie Avalon
But it's great when they do fall in love, and then they're still in love when they see each other, when they get married.
First season was in Atlanta, by the way. I've seen one of the guys on the dating apps. Really? Yeah.
Barry Conrad
Did you go on a date with him? No. Okay.
Melanie Avalon
shall we talk about some fasting things let's do it sorry listeners like this episode is a wild card.
Barry Conrad
That's the Walcott episode. Let's do the NPC Walcott.
Melanie Avalon
I know. Okay, do you have a study for us?
Barry Conrad
I do have a study which I'm actually really excited to share and the one I'm bringing today, it's called the effect of intermittent fasting combined with ad libidum days on adults elevated blood pressure, a systematic review of human studies. It was published in February 2025 by researchers Darina Bahruddin, Masayu Said, and Hazrin Abdul Majid from the University of Malaya in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
I've been there. It's really awesome. And the AECC University College in the UK. And Mel, one of the first things I caught my eye about this study in particular, why I love it, is it's human only data. No mice, no guesswork, it's human only. And secondly, it's a systematic review, which means it's pulled together and analyzed findings from 12 different high quality studies with over 1,000 participants in total, all adults with elevated blood pressure, which is basically that pre-hypertensive zone. The idea was to see how IF specifically alternate day fasting with ad libidum days affected blood pressure and related markers like weight, BMI, waist circumference, and energy intake. And listeners, if you don't know what ad libidum means, it basically just means eat freely. So specifically alternate day fasting with eat freely days. And they found that intermittent fasting consistently lowered both systolic and diastolic blood pressure across almost all the studies. And again, for listeners, if you don't know what that means, systolic is like the top number on blood pressure reading. That's the pressure when your heart's sort of actively pumping the blood and diastolic is the bottom number. That's when your heart's at rest, so between beats. And ideally, you want both to stay within a healthy range because elevated levels can put strain in your arteries and organs. So in this review, systolic dropped by up to 2.04 mmHg, and diastolic dropped by up to 3 mmHg. And yes, some of those numbers, it might sound small on paper, but when we're talking population level risk or even your own long-term cardiovascular health, that kind of shift is really meaningful and significant because small reductions in blood pressure can actually translate to pretty big decreases in heart attacks and strokes and things like that. So it also helped with body weight. And I'm really excited we're getting there. The participants lost anywhere from 0.09 to 2.85 kgs, which is about 0.2 to 6.3 pounds over 2 to 24 weeks. The same thing with BMI. So that dropped across the board, waist circumference, which reduced the longer the fasting protocol was followed. Fun fact, it actually took 48 weeks to see real measurable waist reduction. So yes, IF can help there, but what it's saying here, it's time and consistency, which we do talk about in the podcast as well. Give it time, be patient, and it's not a bad thing. It's just to reinforce for listeners out there who may be feeling frustrated that it's a lifestyle and it's definitely not going to happen in a week or a couple of days or even two weeks.
Barry Conrad
So energy intake, as expected, based on the study, went down. People naturally ended up eating less overall without being too obsessively. You know, they weren't counting calories obsessively, which is one of my favorite parts.
Again, Mel, because we talk about this aspect of IF so much on this pod, which is the freedom. The freedom that the fast allows. Like most of these fasting protocols didn't require color restriction on feast days. They weren't handing out, like, here's your strict macros or your meal plans. They just structured their fasting winners and they were free to eat normally. And while, yeah, for sure, it's absolutely way more ideal to focus on whole foods. We talk about that as well. It's pretty significant to know that this was something in there. Like people were not counting, they were just eating freely. And the researchers did note a couple of things, though. The longer the intervention, again, the more stable. So sticking with IF for 24 weeks or more. It helped maintain those blood pressure improvements. And although the study didn't dive super deep into hormonal markers or insulin resistance, it did highlight that IF can help shift your metabolism from glucose burning to fat burning, which we know contributes towards weight loss and overall better cardiovascular health. So to be clear, this study, it's not making any wild promises or anything like that, but showing again, once again, thank you science clearly that IF done consistently can really help with blood pressure, reduce your weight, improve your body composition without needing extreme diets or constant food tracking. So if you're someone with slightly elevated blood pressure listeners or you're looking to make proactive changes, you know, before it turns into something bigger, here's another bit of solid evidence that intermittent fasting is a tool worth exploring. Mel, what do you reckon about this study?
Melanie Avalon
Awesome, fine. I love this.
I actually was, because of one of the other shows I'm prepping right now, I was reading all about blood pressure yesterday, actually. So this was very timely for me.
And in the book I'm reading, it's prepping for Seamland, you know, he was talking about how blood pressure is, you know, it's called the silent killer, because people can have high blood pressure, which is severely linked to mortality issues and cardiovascular disease risk and things like that. And you just don't, you just don't know, you know, unless you're checking your checking your blood pressure.
Do you typically have your blood pressure typically when you get a check? Mine's always really low.
Barry Conrad
Mine's was pretty low as well.
Melanie Avalon
Not in a bad way.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, same.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, awesome. This is amazing that what I really, really like about this too, is people, we talk a lot about fasting and people worry about it being stressful, you know, for the body. So I can see how people might wonder if fasting because of the quote, stressful effect would actually raise blood pressure. So it's really nice to know that these fasting protocols and ones, like you said, where they're not where they're just kind of doing it slightly more casually, like they're just, you know, naturally eating what they're eating, that it can have these beneficial effects on blood pressure is awesome.
So yay. Yay. Cool, cool. So should we answer a listener question?
Barry Conrad
I reckon we should. So Tara from Facebook, hey Tara, she says, timing of berberine, seropeptase, seed and magnesium. Smiley face. Would prefer to take them all together every morning, but maybe save the seed for mealtime away from the seropeptase?
Question mark. Melanie, what are your thoughts?
Melanie Avalon
So for supplements that I love here, we get questions a lot about the timing of supplements and fasting versus eating. And it is true that everything you have to kind of look at individually. So I will tell you, Tara, what I do. I'll start with Serapeptase, which is a proteolytic enzyme created by the Japanese silkworm. I think it's a wonderful way to enhance your fasting because A, it has to be taken in the fasted state to see the benefits. And it really helps catalyze the benefits of the fast because it's an enzyme that goes into your bloodstream and then it breaks down potentially problematic proteins in your body. So it's going to just like fasting will help reduce your inflammation and support autophagy and reduce cholesterol and support your brain health, all these things. Serapeptase is just going to catalyze that and do that even more. And it really helps with joint health and wound recovery. So I love Serapeptase.
So it has to be taken by itself on an empty stomach. So you could take that in the morning. Okay, she says take it all together every morning, but maybe save the seed for mealtime. Okay, so I would take the Serapeptase when you wake up and then wait at least an hour to take anything else. I actually take Berberine. So Berberine is going to really help with blood fast and it's going to help with your post glycemic response to food. So basically, so you won't have as high of blood sugar levels after eating. So you can take Berberine right before eating. I also take some in the morning. I actually do take it kind of around my Serapeptase. I actually take it before my Serapeptase. And I haven't had a problem with that so far, but you can do you. Ideally, take Serapeptase on an empty stomach. Berberine before meals would be the recommended way.
Seed is a probiotic. It can be taken with or without food. So I take it later in my fast during the day. For seed, that is a probiotic that I am obsessed with. And it's really wonderful for supporting gut health. It has so many studies behind it. I love it.
They actually recommend that you take it on ideally on an empty stomach, or at least 10 minutes before a meal. So what I do is I don't take it in the morning with Serapeptase. I take it later. But before I break my fast, I take it usually probably a few hours before I break my fast. So I take it in the middle of my fast. And then magnesium can be taken with or without meals. So I have two magnesiums. I have magnesium 8, which is a full body support, and then magnesium 3 and 8, which specifically crosses the blood-brain barrier. It's going to get magnesium into your brain. It's going to help your memory, your mood, your relaxation. So the way I would do it is I would take magnesium 8 with your meal, and then take magnesium nightcap. I take that right before bed.
So recap. And all of those are Avalonix products except for seed, which is its own brand. Recap. Serapeptase is on an empty stomach in the morning. Burberry, take that before meals.
Melanie Avalon
Seed, take it kind of like in the middle of your fast on an empty stomach, or at least 10 minutes before a meal. And then magnesium 8, I would take with your meals, and I would take magnesium nightcap before bed.
And listeners can get 10% off of all of these Avalonix supplements with the code IF Podcast. If you go to avalonix.us for seed, you can get 25% off, which is awesome. Go to seed.com slash IF Podcast and use the code 25IF Podcast. So again, that's seed.com slash IF Podcast, the code 25IF Podcast. Also, I realized I don't think we gave a link for Maui Nui Venison, did we? So if people are interested in that, which we love, you can go to MauiNuiVenison.com. So M-A-U-I-N-U-I-V-E-N-I-S-O-N.com slash IF Podcast. And that will bring you to our page there.
So yeah, any thoughts about that? I feel like I kind of answered it.
Barry Conrad
You nailed it. You're the queen of syrup, peptase, and all the things I have tried. I have tried your magnesium, and it actually really helps. That's all I'm going to comment on.
If you wanted to wind down your nervous system, obviously at night, I got you... The night cap on? Yeah, the night one. Yeah, the night one. Yeah, it's so good.
Melanie Avalon
Yay. Okey-dokey. Well, shall we have our... Oh, wait. Am I going to remember the word from last time?
Wait. I got this. I got this. Hold on. I've got this. There was like a word to remind myself. I was like, oh, it's kind of like this word, but it's not this word. And it starts with a D, right? Start with a D. You're close. It's like a... I don't know. I lost it. What's the word that I connected it to? Disgusting. Disgusting. That's right. That's right. Disgusting. Okay. Remember that. Degestation.
Barry Conrad
Yes, you got it.
Melanie Avalon
Except we realize it doesn't really fit what we're doing. Not really. So we auditioned it. We auditioned the word.
Barry Conrad
We gave it a screen test and it didn't quite.
Melanie Avalon
Didn't didn't pass. All right, so now it is time for our pervert wheel Hypothetical visualization breaking of our fast
Barry Conrad
simulation NPC proverbial.
Melanie Avalon
Simulation, yeah. So basically the point of this segment is we love food and we love fasting and so much of the benefits of fasting are actually from the eating period.
So we like to talk about, we like to showcase restaurants that we love or that look interesting to us that we maybe would like to go to. Also talk about what we would order so people can also see how we order at restaurants because I want people to know that you can make restaurants work for you if you have weird dietary ideas like me. Very orders like pretty normally, just a lot.
Barry Conrad
No, you order normally for you.
Melanie Avalon
Don't modify, you don't make modifications is what I'm saying.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, you're right. I don't.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, it's all I meant. Okay, so I am doing today's restaurant.
Barry Conrad
I'm curious to see, I'm waiting with better breath to see what it's going to be. Like a Disney situation, is it going to be something totally left field?
Melanie Avalon
So this restaurant, I have not been to this restaurant, it is at Epcot and it's themed like you're on a space station. And apparently you like take an elevator up and then you're like in space and then the food is like spacey.
Barry Conrad
Wow, I just looked at the page just loaded and you're exactly right. There's like people Sitting in this restaurant and outside the window you see like planet Earth. That's crazy
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, Google really quickly. It's called Space220, Space220. Google it for the images so you can see what it looks like more immersively.
Barry Conrad
Wowzers that's that's amazing. That's awesome. I'm checking out the photos now Like low lighting it's very like starstruck for Star Trek Star Trek vibes for sure like a film set almost it's cool
Melanie Avalon
And then some of the food looks cool, like the desserts look pretty cool and stuff. Did you find the dinner menu?
Barry Conrad
I am going to the dinner menu right now, view menu and see what we got here.
Melanie Avalon
Oh wait, is this a set price? Oh my goodness, I picked a set price.
Barry Conrad
That's your favourite, isn't it?
Melanie Avalon
My favorite. Okay, well, this will be good.
People can see how I or how I will navigate a set price menu and they'll see how how so Barry, how are you going to navigate because you need more food then. So basically, it includes an appetizer and entree and a dessert. Well, you can have my dessert. So, so now you got two desserts. Maybe we should order like an additional maybe we should order for like three.
Barry Conrad
I think we should because it's seventy nine bucks. Let's do three.
Melanie Avalon
Okay. And then we can like pick like three.
Yeah. Okay. So, so we can pick three. I wonder how many people do this. It's just so funny. If we go to restaurants ever when we're like hanging out in real life all the time, like, so we get to pick three of the liftoffs. Okay. Oh my goodness. Okay. I see. Oh, I see one that I like.
Barry Conrad
Me too. Mmm. You go. You go head first.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, well, definitely the Wagyu Beef Carpaccio, the Andromedia Wagyu Beef Carpaccio, which is, is that a typo? Wagyu Beef, I think there's a typo, Disney, Wagyu Beef Pomegranate Seeds, Potato Chips, Truffle, Cipriani Sauce, and Shaved Parmesan.
So is it okay if we get that, prepare, like put, get everything on the side?
Barry Conrad
Yeah. So is that going to be, should we get that one as the third one? Is that what you mean?
Melanie Avalon
Well, I mean, I feel like, well, what's one that you want and we'll see. What was one that you wanted?
Barry Conrad
I could definitely get down with that. That sounds delicious.
Melanie Avalon
Was that what you were gonna order?
Barry Conrad
I was going to get the Apollo 16 Shrimp Tacos. I love tacos and I do love shrimp slash prawns, so that was going to be my one.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, for the third one, I do love tuna tartare. I get nervous about mercury levels. I think you can just pick the third one. What do you want for the third one?
Barry Conrad
So we've got the and germano wagyu beef carpaccio. We've got the Paula 16 shrimp tacos. I reckon for the third one, it sounds really good to me.
Is the, oh no, but you're not going to eat that. Let's do the Tata, the Neptune Tata.
Melanie Avalon
You have to order for me. You can get whatever you want.
Barry Conrad
Starry calamari. I'll do that. It's fried calamari, Italian cherry peppers, spicy marinara, roasted pepper, citrus, aioli. Yes.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, perfect. So now we have the main course. So should we both order one and then do you see a course? What would you get for your course?
Barry Conrad
What's jumping out at me is going to be the orbit filet mignon certified Angus beef, creamy mashed potatoes, haricot vert, red wine reduction, and you can add jumbo shrimp. And you know what, I'm going to get the add the jumbo shrimp and the half lobster options.
Melanie Avalon
That's nice. Now you can actually like fill it out more, you know, you know, it's crazy. That's exactly what I was going to get. Except, except every except I need to change the side dishes, please.
If you can bring it with trying to see if spinach is anywhere on the menu, I would request if they can bring it with like steam spinach. But if not actually, honestly, would you want my side dishes? Yeah. Okay. So and then I will I will also add shrimp and lobster. And I'll get mine as rare as they will make it like blue. Please. How about you? How are you getting cooked?
Barry Conrad
I'm gonna go medium rare for me, but I'm curious to see what you reckon because I reckon I'd like for you to be able to pick at the third course so what what's one that you really. Would like already.
Melanie Avalon
There's two I'm excited about and then do you want to pick from there? I would say either the M87 pork tenderloin or the galactic miso salmon.
Barry Conrad
I'm going to do the pork tenderloin. Let's do it. Prosciutto and sage-wrapped tenderloin, sweet potato hash, whole grand mustard sauce.
Melanie Avalon
How, how would we get this?
Barry Conrad
You can choose that because I want you to appear to eat it. So you can choose the, I'm happy with just not done well done or anything.
Melanie Avalon
Since it's pork, we could, I mean, I feel like with pork that, you know, like, I know when I worked in steakhouses, we always recommended medium for pork.
Barry Conrad
It's definitely not a rare podcast to be right, you know.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I can eat pork rare, but. What? Yeah. I'll eat anything rare.
Barry Conrad
I thought pork rare is like, from a health perspective, it's not great. Like it's.
Melanie Avalon
I think they have to like cook it to, or do we cook it to medium rare? They might cook it to medium rare, but I think, I think medium medium's a safe, a safe bet.
So, okay. Okay. Oh, wait, wait, wait. We, we missed, we missed the space station supplementals. Okay. So these are an upcharge. These are like a, these are a different entree that, but it doesn't change mine, but does it change yours?
Barry Conrad
No, because I've already got the extra shrimp and half lobsters, so I'm pretty happy. Okay.
Melanie Avalon
and you wouldn't have gotten a ribeye instead of a fillet.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I like the option that I chose. I like it. Okay, cool.
Melanie Avalon
Now three desserts you get to pick all of them. Wait, can I guess what you want?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I guess.
Melanie Avalon
Okay, I think you want the, the chocolate, the sole chocolate tart. Yep, correct. Do you want the chocolate cheesecake?
Barry Conrad
Yes.
Melanie Avalon
cosmic cheesecake. Oh my gosh, two out of, okay. Final one. Oh my gosh, I'm nervous.
Okay, I feel like you do kind of what you do maybe. I feel like you want to balance it out with like gelato or sorbet. Maybe. Oh, birthday cake. I think you want birthday cake gelato. I do. Really? That was it?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, actually.
Melanie Avalon
Whoa, wait, let me take a bow. Three for three? OK, wait, it was crazy. There were options for the gelato and I got the right flavor.
Barry Conrad
Because I already got two chocolates, so I wanted something different, but I wanted gelato.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah. Oh my goodness. I'm so proud of myself right now. Okay. And I'm excited because I want to see the birthday cake gelato. I want to like smell it.
Barry Conrad
What would that look like? I'm trying to get a visual.
Melanie Avalon
I feel like it just depends. I feel like if it doesn't have it's either going to be like just look like vanilla or it's going to have like sprinkles in it.
Barry Conrad
Cause I feel like, and the smelling thing, like I caught a picture, you're going, Hey, can you just pass that to me? And you just like look around, if anyone's watching, then just quickly smell it.
Like, what are you, how are you going to do it?
Melanie Avalon
Well, by the time we get to dessert, I have like a lot of wine in me. So, you know, I'm probably just, I'm not going to be like super concerned.
Barry Conrad
Speaking of, also we forgot the satellite sides. Do you like any of those sides?
Melanie Avalon
Do you want any of the sides? I'm good.
Barry Conrad
I'm good too. Do they have a wine list? Because I feel like we need beverages.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, let's see. They have kids' celestial beverages and zero proof sippers.
Okay, so there's spirits, atmospheric spirits, and these drinks, by the way, look really cool. Like they're all like very, you know, like some, I think one of them's like smoking and, you know,
Barry Conrad
Nice.
Melanie Avalon
like freeze dried raspberries, tang foam. I'm just looking at some of the popping pearls. Let's see, wine list does not look promising.
Barry Conrad
It doesn't? Okay, I'm looking at it.
Melanie Avalon
I wonder though, you know what, this is by the glass. I wonder if it's been so long since I've been to Disney and actually, like I wonder if I can, if they have a bottle list, you know, there.
I feel like at Disney, I'm gonna have to go the bottle list for most restaurants because I have noticed, I have noticed with all of the Disney menus that I look at regularly, the by the glass list tends to be heavily California based and it tends to be a lot of like chains. Like I know all the wines on the list basically.
Barry Conrad
I reckon they'll have a bottle list. I mean, surely, can't just be by the glass. You know what? You know what I mean?
Melanie Avalon
Mm-hmm. Although I do like okay. I do like the Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio. It's organic. It's from Italy. They have that I do like that wine. Do you see a drink?
Barry Conrad
I would definitely get a Pinot Grigio, Santa Magorida, I'll definitely get a glass or two. See if there's a bottle, I'll get a bottle of that because I like to get a bottle and then a cocktail to atmospheric spirits.
I love my Magoritas, but what I'll actually do is when we're there.
Melanie Avalon
with watermelon. Do you see that?
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I don't, I don't love that part when I'm there, I'll be like, do you, what's like your most popular, like atmosphere experts, like what looks cool, tastes good. I'll try that.
Cause I like to try the, you know, what's, you know, the specialty of the, of the joint. So I might do that. See what they have. I'm game.
Melanie Avalon
I feel like this will be this is going to be one that we're going to get really good Instagram pictures of like the drink that you order. And that like when we do the boomerang of like the Cheers. I don't know if you Yeah, it's going to be a really epic picture. I see it now.
Barry Conrad
Are you going to wear a space themed ensemble?
Melanie Avalon
Oh my gosh, we could dress up. I don't know if space is like, I have to think about what costume would be flattering. I could see it. Cause like, I should pick an astronaut, not the most flattering.
Barry Conrad
You don't want to go like the, did you see the recent all female space situation with Katy Perry and all them?
Melanie Avalon
I did, yeah.
Barry Conrad
Could you go wearing that one of those ensembles?
Melanie Avalon
Oh, I didn't see what they wore.
Barry Conrad
Just Google it real quick and see.
Melanie Avalon
they dressed up like a movie. They look like Star Trek. I can't I can't do bodysuits. Why not? So uncomfortable. Like all that clothing. I can't do long sleeves. I can't use I can't do sleeves.
Barry Conrad
You know what, now that you said that, I, and I think you may have told this to me before like off air, but I actually had never seen you wear like a jacket or like a blouse or something like with sleeves. Never.
Melanie Avalon
So I do have, I have this really cute blazer that I will occasionally wear. It's like very loose, but it's like fitted type thing. It's like loose fitted and you wear it over cocktail dresses. I will wear that on occasion.
In general though, I just carry my, I have like this fur vest thing and then I just carry it and it keeps me warm. I just hold it like a pet. It keeps me so warm. It's amazing.
Barry Conrad
But what if it's winter and it's freezing outside, just say you've gone to dinner, you're wearing one of your dresses with no sleeves and stuff, and then you're waiting outside for an Uber or something.
Melanie Avalon
You can get cold. Not in Atlanta, but that vest does a lot. Holding that vest actually keeps me really warm.
But when I went to Sundance, I had to buy, I bought a puffer jacket, but it was Michael Corzine and it was really cute. What I can't handle is when it's really tight around your arms, like your armpits. I can't. So this was very loose.
Barry Conrad
Why can't you handle that?
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, I don't like I don't like sleeves. I don't know how you do it. I could not be a man. I could not be a man. Oh my gosh. I'm just realizing
Barry Conrad
I could not be a woman. I couldn't do it. It's too breezy, like. Too breezy? Wearing
Melanie Avalon
dresses.
Barry Conrad
Yeah, I mean, that's all I... Sometimes that thought crosses my mind like, that'd be so cold. Like, I'll be out at night and seeing... No, it's freezing. No way. Couldn't do it.
Melanie Avalon
What's funny is I've had this same conversation with a man and he was saying that, he was saying how it must be nice to be, it would be nice to be a woman to be able to just like wear dresses and like all the loose clothing. I was like, yep, it's great.
I love it.
Barry Conrad
Well, maybe he should not wear as tight clothing because you now like baggy is kind of in as well. I guess it depends what you're wearing.
If you're wearing like sweatpants, if you're wearing, you can like dress relaxed as a guy. I feel like he's being dramatic. Come on, bro.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, well, I yeah, so I can't I can't wear it off to think about the space outfit because I'm not sure about this
Barry Conrad
maybe one time you surprise yourself and your followers with like pants or something like that. I don't know, just surprise or wearing a suit or whatever.
Melanie Avalon
I do have like a pant, a very flowy pant onesie thing. And it actually looks like a dress though. You can't, I have a few of those. I have some onesies, but they're, they don't have sleeves.
Barry Conrad
Do you know, you know, when people say onesies, guess what I think about pajamas? Teletubbies.
Melanie Avalon
Yeah, that makes sense. I remember when that came out and I was like, what is happening? What is this show?
Barry Conrad
But I'm not calling you a teleteller. I'm just saying that's my visual. I have a weird sense of humor sometimes.
Melanie Avalon
Does stuff happen in that show? Like, are there plots?
Barry Conrad
I don't know. I've actually never seen it. I've just seen photos and stuff.
Melanie Avalon
I saw it when it came out, yeah. Well, that was fun.
On that note, thank you listeners and friends for being here with us on this wild card episode. I feel like we just went all over the place. So, so fun, though, for listeners. These show notes for today's episode will be at ifodcast.com slash episode 434. Those show notes will have a full transcript. They'll have links to everything that we talked about, so definitely check that out. And you can get all the stuff that we like at ifodcast.com slash stuff we like. And you can follow us on Instagram. I'm Melanie Avalon. Barry is Barry underscore Conrad, and we are if podcast. Okay, I think that's all the things. Anything from you, Barry, before we go?
Barry Conrad
Thanks again for tuning in everyone. We really appreciate it and we'll catch you next time.
Melanie Avalon
Alright, I will talk to you next week.
Barry Conrad
Okay, talk to you soon.
Melanie Avalon
Bye. Bye.
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